Queen Isabella: Treachery, Adultery, and Murder in Medieval

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D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 okt 2005 00:16:02

King Edward II of England was "sexually ambiguous..."

Hilarious!

Political Correctness Runs Rampant At Random House....

"Weak", Aye".

DSH
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"Now the acclaimed author of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alison Weir,
reexamines the life of Isabella of England, history's other notorious
and charismatic medieval queen."

"Praised for her fair looks, the newly wed Isabella was denied the
attentions of Edward II, a weak, sexually ambiguous monarch with scant
taste for his royal duties."

"As their marriage progressed, Isabella was neglected by her dissolute
husband and slighted by his favored male courtiers. Humiliated and
deprived of her income, her children, and her liberty, Isabella escaped
to France, where she entered into a passionate affair with Edward II's
mortal enemy, Roger Mortimer. "

"Together, Isabella and Mortimer led the only successful invasion of
English soil since the Norman Conquest of 1066, deposing Edward and
ruling in his stead as co-regents for Isabella's young son, Edward III.
Fate, however, was soon to catch up with Isabella and her lover. "

Random House
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D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

Tom McDonald

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Tom McDonald » 21 okt 2005 03:04:55

DSH is not sexually ambiguous. With his small and useless
penis, he is not sexual at all.

Perhaps he could take the energy he does not need to spend
on imagining sex and turn it to useful pursuits, like not
posting his nether waste on the ngs.

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
King Edward II of England was "sexually ambiguous..."

Hilarious!

Political Correctness Runs Rampant At Random House....

"Weak", Aye".

DSH
-------------------------------------------------------------------

"Now the acclaimed author of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alison Weir,
reexamines the life of Isabella of England, history's other notorious
and charismatic medieval queen."

"Praised for her fair looks, the newly wed Isabella was denied the
attentions of Edward II, a weak, sexually ambiguous monarch with scant
taste for his royal duties."

"As their marriage progressed, Isabella was neglected by her dissolute
husband and slighted by his favored male courtiers. Humiliated and
deprived of her income, her children, and her liberty, Isabella escaped
to France, where she entered into a passionate affair with Edward II's
mortal enemy, Roger Mortimer. "

"Together, Isabella and Mortimer led the only successful invasion of
English soil since the Norman Conquest of 1066, deposing Edward and
ruling in his stead as co-regents for Isabella's young son, Edward III.
Fate, however, was soon to catch up with Isabella and her lover. "

Random House
---------------------------
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D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

George Hein

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av George Hein » 21 okt 2005 14:16:56

Tom McDonald wrote:
DSH is not sexually ambiguous. With his small and useless penis, he is
not sexual at all.


Do you have first hand knowledge of this, if not are you not in need of
some type of psychiatric care?

Peter Jason

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Peter Jason » 21 okt 2005 23:00:38

"George Hein" <zweisteinREMOVETHIS@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:aT56f.13830$1X1.12631@fe12.lga...
Tom McDonald wrote:
DSH is not sexually ambiguous. With his small and useless penis, he is
not sexual at all.


Do you have first hand knowledge of this, if not are you not in need of
some type of psychiatric care?

It's all just the good old schoolyard pecker contest.

Or a gaggle of flaccid old farts using politics and insults to try and
achieve erectile function.

If I'm asked nicely I might convey to the above an ameliorating method -
using a watermelon - to assuage the frustration they must feel at their time
of life, with the desirable side-effect of changing facial expressions.

By the way, do you have a key to this killfile bin?

Gjest

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Gjest » 23 okt 2005 08:30:15

Why waste money on this random house rubbish? Alison Weir has has a
lower than low rating with historians for the reason that her books are
full of errors ... I have found them myself three years ago in
Britain's Royal Families (I'm not an academic historian) and her
publishers ignored my email on the subject offering primary sources for
amendments to the next printing. So never quote her without checking
yourself. One historian remarked "I see Weir is writing another of her
novels." They are, and the blurb from Random House (although 'sexually
ambiguous' is really delicious) already tells us all we need to know.

Read 'The Greatest Traitor: The Life of Sir Roger Mortimer Ruler of
England 1327-1330" by Ian Mortimer for substance. Easy to read and not
a novel.
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
King Edward II of England was "sexually ambiguous..."

Hilarious!

Political Correctness Runs Rampant At Random House....

"Weak", Aye".

DSH
-------------------------------------------------------------------

"Now the acclaimed author of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alison Weir,
reexamines the life of Isabella of England, history's other notorious
and charismatic medieval queen."

"Praised for her fair looks, the newly wed Isabella was denied the
attentions of Edward II, a weak, sexually ambiguous monarch with scant
taste for his royal duties."

"As their marriage progressed, Isabella was neglected by her dissolute
husband and slighted by his favored male courtiers. Humiliated and
deprived of her income, her children, and her liberty, Isabella escaped
to France, where she entered into a passionate affair with Edward II's
mortal enemy, Roger Mortimer. "

"Together, Isabella and Mortimer led the only successful invasion of
English soil since the Norman Conquest of 1066, deposing Edward and
ruling in his stead as co-regents for Isabella's young son, Edward III.
Fate, however, was soon to catch up with Isabella and her lover. "

Random House
---------------------------
"Steve Barnhoorn" <sbarnhoorn@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1129838298.670870.222720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

| http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/disp ... 0345453198

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

Gjest

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Gjest » 23 okt 2005 18:38:00

Mr Hines is right - they are for many people a more enjoyable read -
and, despite the errors, the do bring mediaeval history to a wider
audience, which is a positive thing.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 okt 2005 19:05:02

Yes, it is quite true her books have many factual errors in them.

However, her writing is indeed "delicious".

Aye, there's the rub...

Weir writes so much better than dry-as-dust academic historians, who
have NO talent for Narrative History, that HER books sell and theirs do
NOT.

DSH

<elliot@ace.net.au> wrote in message
news:1130052615.030915.316580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

| Why waste money on this random house rubbish? Alison Weir has has a
| lower than low rating with historians for the reason that her books
are
| full of errors ... I have found them myself three years ago in
| Britain's Royal Families (I'm not an academic historian) and her
| publishers ignored my email on the subject offering primary sources
for
| amendments to the next printing. So never quote her without checking
| yourself. One historian remarked "I see Weir is writing another of
her
| novels." They are, and the blurb from Random House (although
'sexually
| ambiguous' is really delicious) already tells us all we need to know.
|
| Read 'The Greatest Traitor: The Life of Sir Roger Mortimer Ruler of
| England 1327-1330" by Ian Mortimer for substance. Easy to read and
not
| a novel.
| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
| > King Edward II of England was "sexually ambiguous..."
| >
| > Hilarious!
| >
| > Political Correctness Runs Rampant At Random House....
| >
| > "Weak", Aye".
| >
| > DSH
| > -------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| > "Now the acclaimed author of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alison Weir,
| > reexamines the life of Isabella of England, history's other
notorious
| > and charismatic medieval queen."
| >
| > "Praised for her fair looks, the newly wed Isabella was denied the
| > attentions of Edward II, a weak, sexually ambiguous monarch with
scant
| > taste for his royal duties."
| >
| > "As their marriage progressed, Isabella was neglected by her
dissolute
| > husband and slighted by his favored male courtiers. Humiliated and
| > deprived of her income, her children, and her liberty, Isabella
escaped
| > to France, where she entered into a passionate affair with Edward
II's
| > mortal enemy, Roger Mortimer. "
| >
| > "Together, Isabella and Mortimer led the only successful invasion of
| > English soil since the Norman Conquest of 1066, deposing Edward and
| > ruling in his stead as co-regents for Isabella's young son, Edward
III.
| > Fate, however, was soon to catch up with Isabella and her lover. "
| >
| > Random House
| > ---------------------------
| > "Steve Barnhoorn" <sbarnhoorn@mail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1129838298.670870.222720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| >
| > |
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/disp ... 0345453198
| >
| > D. Spencer Hines
| >
| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| >
| > Vires et Honor

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 okt 2005 20:07:02

Weir is COLORFUL and brings her historical characters to LIFE.

Sadly, many academic historians have forgotten how to do that.

Once upon a time academic historians COULD write excellent, colorful
NARRATIVE HISTORY -- but very few of them can today.

That's why folks such as David McCullough write the bestsellers.

Another problem is that academic historians love to DEBUNK.

Readers are TIRED of debunking and whining negativism.

DSH

<mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1130089080.764354.16330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

| Mr Hines is right - they are for many people a more enjoyable read -
| and, despite the errors, the do bring mediaeval history to a wider
| audience, which is a positive thing.

Yes, it is quite true her books have many factual errors in them.

However, her writing is indeed "delicious".

Aye, there's the rub...

Weir writes so much better than dry-as-dust academic historians, who
have NO talent for Narrative History, that HER books sell and theirs do
NOT.

DSH

<elliot@ace.net.au> wrote in message
news:1130052615.030915.316580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

| Why waste money on this random house rubbish? Alison Weir has has a
| lower than low rating with historians for the reason that her books
are
| full of errors ... I have found them myself three years ago in
| Britain's Royal Families (I'm not an academic historian) and her
| publishers ignored my email on the subject offering primary sources
for
| amendments to the next printing. So never quote her without checking
| yourself. One historian remarked "I see Weir is writing another of
her
| novels." They are, and the blurb from Random House (although
'sexually
| ambiguous' is really delicious) already tells us all we need to know.
|
| Read 'The Greatest Traitor: The Life of Sir Roger Mortimer Ruler of
| England 1327-1330" by Ian Mortimer for substance. Easy to read and
not
| a novel.

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:

| > King Edward II of England was "sexually ambiguous..."
| >
| > Hilarious!
| >
| > Political Correctness Runs Rampant At Random House....
| >
| > "Weak", Aye".
| >
| > DSH
| > -------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| > "Now the acclaimed author of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alison Weir,
| > reexamines the life of Isabella of England, history's other
notorious
| > and charismatic medieval queen."
| >
| > "Praised for her fair looks, the newly wed Isabella was denied the
| > attentions of Edward II, a weak, sexually ambiguous monarch with
scant
| > taste for his royal duties."
| >
| > "As their marriage progressed, Isabella was neglected by her
dissolute
| > husband and slighted by his favored male courtiers. Humiliated and
| > deprived of her income, her children, and her liberty, Isabella
escaped
| > to France, where she entered into a passionate affair with Edward
II's
| > mortal enemy, Roger Mortimer. "
| >
| > "Together, Isabella and Mortimer led the only successful invasion of
| > English soil since the Norman Conquest of 1066, deposing Edward and
| > ruling in his stead as co-regents for Isabella's young son, Edward
III.
| > Fate, however, was soon to catch up with Isabella and her lover. "
| >
| > Random House
| > ---------------------------
| > "Steve Barnhoorn" <sbarnhoorn@mail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1129838298.670870.222720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| >
| > |
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/disp ... 0345453198
| >
| > D. Spencer Hines
| >
| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| >
| > Vires et Honor

William Black

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av William Black » 23 okt 2005 21:17:24

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2Q6f.249$EP6.1184@eagle.america.net...
Weir is COLORFUL and brings her historical characters to LIFE.

Sadly, many academic historians have forgotten how to do that.

Once upon a time academic historians COULD write excellent, colorful
NARRATIVE HISTORY -- but very few of them can today.

I know, that Simon Sharma, he's an illiterate bugger isn't he...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Gjest

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 okt 2005 16:09:51

William Black wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2Q6f.249$EP6.1184@eagle.america.net...
Weir is COLORFUL and brings her historical characters to LIFE.

Sadly, many academic historians have forgotten how to do that.

Once upon a time academic historians COULD write excellent, colorful
NARRATIVE HISTORY -- but very few of them can today.

I know, that Simon Sharma, he's an illiterate bugger isn't he...-
William Black

Good one, William Black! I doubled up!

Gjest

Re: Queen Isabella -- Treachery, Adultery & Murder In Mediae

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 okt 2005 16:47:41

DSH, my posting clearly criticised the accuracy of Weir's books. I
did not therefore go on to say her writing was 'delicious': THAT
referred to Random House's fit of PC in calling Edward II 'sexually
ambiguous', which it is.

Weir's field is historical biography and it is not ok to have "many
factual errors" in book after book. It may not matter to those
persons who read Weir's books for a passing historical glimpse of a
personage or time, but I don't like it. Weir, for example in "Eleanor
of Aquitaine" gives Notes and References like Charter Rolls, Roger of
Hovedon, Giraldus Cambrensis, with no page numbers, which I do not
think is acceptable for a biographer.

Weir is COLORFUL and brings her historical characters
to LIFE. Sadly, many academic historians have forgotten how
to do that.
You can't condemn academic historians and narrative historians for

not being what they are not. Academic historian Michael Prestwich
writes with a light hand in his books on the Plantagenet Edwards, and
if colour is your thing, Margaret Wade Labarge does it well in Medieval
Travellers: The Rich and the Restless. I couldn't put down Ian
Mortimer's book detailed above. There are many others.

Another problem is that academic historians
love to DEBUNK. Readers are TIRED of debunking
and whining negativism
I don't see why the first is a problem, and I've never come across

the latter in book form.

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