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Legg inn av Gjest » 20 okt 2005 20:31:05

Am I correct or incorrect in thinking that the forename "Clement" is
extraordinarily uncommon in 14th-15th century England? At least I've
heardly encountered it, but maybe my sample is unrepresentative.

The reason I ask is that I encountered two Clements on an IPM jury in
1426, one a Snelling and one a Morton. I was wondering whether the
name is sufficiently rare that I can assume the two families were
intermarried, and both were paying homage to the same older person
named Clement.

(P.S. -- anyone know anything about the Snellings of Dorset? All I've
found out about them is some of them live in the Lulworth area, which
is the general area where Clement Morton probably lived)

Chris Phillips

Re: Clement

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 20 okt 2005 21:02:42

geraldrm@earthlink.net wrote:
Am I correct or incorrect in thinking that the forename "Clement" is
extraordinarily uncommon in 14th-15th century England? At least I've
heardly encountered it, but maybe my sample is unrepresentative.

You are correct, judging by the tables of frequencies of Christian names at
different dates given in Complete Peerage, vol. 3, Appendix C. For each of 6
dates the frequency of each name in a sample of 600 is given.

The results for Clement are as follows:

1166-7: 1
1299-1327 (villeins): 0
1347-8: 0
1558: 1
1738: 1
1911: 2

Funnily enough, though, I met the name twice today in a will of 1593. As one
was the son of the testator and the other an executor (apparently
unrelated), I think they were probably godfather and godson.

Chris Phillips

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Clement

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 20 okt 2005 21:25:00

In message of 20 Oct, geraldrm@earthlink.net wrote:

Am I correct or incorrect in thinking that the forename "Clement" is
extraordinarily uncommon in 14th-15th century England? At least I've
heardly encountered it, but maybe my sample is unrepresentative.

Clement Paston? There were a few of them.

The reason I ask is that I encountered two Clements on an IPM jury in
1426, one a Snelling and one a Morton. I was wondering whether the
name is sufficiently rare that I can assume the two families were
intermarried, and both were paying homage to the same older person
named Clement.

Personally I never like to assume anything and have a profound aversion
to theories about naming patterns. Give me Occam's razor any time.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Chris Phillips

Re: Clement

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 20 okt 2005 21:53:13

I forgot to say that it would - I suppose - be worth checking for a local
church dedicated to St Clement!

Chris Phillips

Gjest

Re: Clement

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 okt 2005 22:48:01

Dear Gerald and Chris,
I can think of one Clement Briggs who
immigrated to Plymouth Colony between 1620-1630.One of ancestors via Babbit,
Holloway/Hallowell, Proctor, Knowlton, Stevens, (illegit. Clements),Condon, Cummings
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Mark B

Re: Clement

Legg inn av Mark B » 21 okt 2005 00:47:01

A Clement Skelton (fl. 1500) can be found in
Cumberland. A quick search of records from 1300 to
1500 in the National Archives online catalogue reveals
around 500 records. A very inexact test--many of the
results certainly do not reflect a given name.

--- geraldrm@earthlink.net wrote:

Am I correct or incorrect in thinking that the
forename "Clement" is
extraordinarily uncommon in 14th-15th century
England? At least I've
heardly encountered it, but maybe my sample is
unrepresentative.

The reason I ask is that I encountered two Clements
on an IPM jury in
1426, one a Snelling and one a Morton. I was
wondering whether the
name is sufficiently rare that I can assume the two
families were
intermarried, and both were paying homage to the
same older person
named Clement.

(P.S. -- anyone know anything about the Snellings of
Dorset? All I've
found out about them is some of them live in the
Lulworth area, which
is the general area where Clement Morton probably
lived)






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