Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire

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Tony Hoskins

Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 18 okt 2005 19:35:01

Wondering if anyone might refer me to a genealogy of the Vaughan of
Llwydiarth [parish of Llanfihangel], Montgomeryshire, family. Of
particular interest to me would be details (chiefly his date of death)
of the Sir Robert Vaughan of that place, who was the first husband of
the Hon. Katherine Herbert (c1599-1666)[daughter of the 1st Lord Powis],
later the wife of Sir James Palmer (1584-1658), by whom Katherine was
mother of Roger Palmer, Earl of Castlemaine.

I suspect Sir Robert may have been a son of the John Owen Vaughan
mentioned below:

Chancery: Ancient Deeds

C 147/37 Grantor: John Owen VAUGHAN, of Llwydiarth (Lloydiarth),
esquire. Grantee: Humphrey ap THOMAS, of Rhosaflo [in Llanfair
Caereinion], husbandman. Place or Subject: Rhiwhiriaeth [in Llanfair
Caereinion]. County: Mont 40 Eliz I [1598]

As this is (but for any medieval connections) OT, please feel free to
respond to me off list.

Many thanks.

Tony Hoskins



Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

John Higgins

Re: Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire

Legg inn av John Higgins » 19 okt 2005 01:12:02

There is a short article on the family of Vaughan of Llwydiarth in
"Dictionary of Welsh Biography" [1959] which answers some questions and
raises others.

"This well-known family was not of Montgomeryshire origin. The first
member, Celynin (fl. early 14th dent/) is said to have fled from South
Wales, after killing the Mayor of Carmarthen; his first wife, Gwladus, was
heir of Llwydiarth and descended on both sides from the Princes of Powys.
GRUFFYDD, great-great-grandson of Celynin, was an adherent of Owain Glyn Dwr
and received a pardon for this from Edward de Charleton, lord of Powys,
dated 7 Henry V. The family is not mentioned by Lewis Glyn Cothi, and
presumably was not powerful before Tudor times.

"The Vaughans appear to have been constantly at feud with the Herberts
(qq.v.), which may explain why they provided no members of parliament for
Mongomeryshire, and only one sheriff, JOHN AB OWEN VAUGHAN (in 1583); he m.
Dorothy, daughter of Howell Vaughan of Glan-llyn, and sister of John
Vaughan, who was sheriff of Merioneth in 1594. The son of the sheriff of
Montgomeryshire, OWEN, m. Catherine, daughter of Morrice ap Robert, heir of
Llangedwyn, by who he had two sons, JOHN (Inner Temple, 1606) and Sir
ROBERT, who m. Catherine, daughter of William, 1st lord Powis.

"The family became extinct in the male line with Sir Robert, and Llwydiarth
and Llangedwyn were carried by his daughter Eleanor to her husband John
Purcell of Nantcribba; and by their daughter to her husband EDWARD VAUGHAN
of Glan-llyn and Llwydiarth, sheriff of Montgomeryshire, 1688, and Member of
Parliament for the Montgormery boroughs, and subsequently for fifty-eight
years for the county, and great-grandson of the sheriff of Merioneth of
1594.

"The combines estates of Llwydiarth, Llangedwyn, and Glan-llyn were again
carried by Anne, daughter and heiress of Edward Vaughan, to her husband Sir
Watkin Williams Wynn (see under Wynn family, Wynnstay), 3rd bart. of
Wynnstay, whose mother, Jane Thelwall, heir of Plas-y-ward, was herself
fifth in descent from John Owen Vaughan of Llwydiarth (above)."

[end of quote}

I would be interested to see if anyone can confrim and extend this account.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire


Wondering if anyone might refer me to a genealogy of the Vaughan of
Llwydiarth [parish of Llanfihangel], Montgomeryshire, family. Of
particular interest to me would be details (chiefly his date of death)
of the Sir Robert Vaughan of that place, who was the first husband of
the Hon. Katherine Herbert (c1599-1666)[daughter of the 1st Lord Powis],
later the wife of Sir James Palmer (1584-1658), by whom Katherine was
mother of Roger Palmer, Earl of Castlemaine.

I suspect Sir Robert may have been a son of the John Owen Vaughan
mentioned below:

Chancery: Ancient Deeds

C 147/37 Grantor: John Owen VAUGHAN, of Llwydiarth (Lloydiarth),
esquire. Grantee: Humphrey ap THOMAS, of Rhosaflo [in Llanfair
Caereinion], husbandman. Place or Subject: Rhiwhiriaeth [in Llanfair
Caereinion]. County: Mont 40 Eliz I [1598]

As this is (but for any medieval connections) OT, please feel free to
respond to me off list.

Many thanks.

Tony Hoskins



Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Tony Hoskins

Re: Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 19 okt 2005 01:32:02

Many thanks to John Higgins and Adrian Channing.

I agree with John that more on this family would be of interest.
Especially, from my vantage point, besides confirmation, connections if
any to the Vaughans of Golden Grove (Earls of Carbery) and to Richard
Vaughan, Bishop of London (1604-7).

Tony Hoskins

"John Higgins" <jthiggins@sbcglobal.net> 10/18/05 02:26PM
There is a short article on the family of Vaughan of Llwydiarth in

"Dictionary of Welsh Biography" [1959] which answers some questions
and
raises others.

"This well-known family was not of Montgomeryshire origin. The first
member, Celynin (fl. early 14th dent/) is said to have fled from South
Wales, after killing the Mayor of Carmarthen; his first wife, Gwladus,
was
heir of Llwydiarth and descended on both sides from the Princes of
Powys.
GRUFFYDD, great-great-grandson of Celynin, was an adherent of Owain
Glyn Dwr
and received a pardon for this from Edward de Charleton, lord of
Powys,
dated 7 Henry V. The family is not mentioned by Lewis Glyn Cothi, and
presumably was not powerful before Tudor times.

"The Vaughans appear to have been constantly at feud with the Herberts
(qq.v.), which may explain why they provided no members of parliament
for
Mongomeryshire, and only one sheriff, JOHN AB OWEN VAUGHAN (in 1583);
he m.
Dorothy, daughter of Howell Vaughan of Glan-llyn, and sister of John
Vaughan, who was sheriff of Merioneth in 1594. The son of the sheriff
of
Montgomeryshire, OWEN, m. Catherine, daughter of Morrice ap Robert,
heir of
Llangedwyn, by who he had two sons, JOHN (Inner Temple, 1606) and Sir
ROBERT, who m. Catherine, daughter of William, 1st lord Powis.

"The family became extinct in the male line with Sir Robert, and
Llwydiarth
and Llangedwyn were carried by his daughter Eleanor to her husband
John
Purcell of Nantcribba; and by their daughter to her husband EDWARD
VAUGHAN
of Glan-llyn and Llwydiarth, sheriff of Montgomeryshire, 1688, and
Member of
Parliament for the Montgormery boroughs, and subsequently for
fifty-eight
years for the county, and great-grandson of the sheriff of Merioneth
of
1594.

"The combines estates of Llwydiarth, Llangedwyn, and Glan-llyn were
again
carried by Anne, daughter and heiress of Edward Vaughan, to her husband
Sir
Watkin Williams Wynn (see under Wynn family, Wynnstay), 3rd bart. of
Wynnstay, whose mother, Jane Thelwall, heir of Plas-y-ward, was
herself
fifth in descent from John Owen Vaughan of Llwydiarth (above)."

[end of quote}

I would be interested to see if anyone can confrim and extend this
account.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire


Wondering if anyone might refer me to a genealogy of the Vaughan of
Llwydiarth [parish of Llanfihangel], Montgomeryshire, family. Of
particular interest to me would be details (chiefly his date of
death)
of the Sir Robert Vaughan of that place, who was the first husband
of
the Hon. Katherine Herbert (c1599-1666)[daughter of the 1st Lord
Powis],
later the wife of Sir James Palmer (1584-1658), by whom Katherine
was
mother of Roger Palmer, Earl of Castlemaine.

I suspect Sir Robert may have been a son of the John Owen Vaughan
mentioned below:

Chancery: Ancient Deeds

C 147/37 Grantor: John Owen VAUGHAN, of Llwydiarth (Lloydiarth),
esquire. Grantee: Humphrey ap THOMAS, of Rhosaflo [in Llanfair
Caereinion], husbandman. Place or Subject: Rhiwhiriaeth [in Llanfair
Caereinion]. County: Mont 40 Eliz I [1598]

As this is (but for any medieval connections) OT, please feel free
to
respond to me off list.

Many thanks.

Tony Hoskins



Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Gjest

Re: Vaughan of Llwydiarth, Montgomeryshire

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 okt 2005 19:02:33

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:30:49 +0000 (UTC), hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us ("Tony
Hoskins") wrote:

Many thanks to John Higgins and Adrian Channing.

I agree with John that more on this family would be of interest.
Especially, from my vantage point, besides confirmation, connections if
any to the Vaughans of Golden Grove (Earls of Carbery) and to Richard
Vaughan, Bishop of London (1604-7).

Richard Vaughan, Bishop of London, is not closely related to either the Vaughans
of Golden Grove or the Vaughans of Llwydiarth. That they all had the same
surname is a coincidence.

For some material on the genealogical connections of Bishop Richard Vaughan, see
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~addams/p ... ughan.html

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