echyngham/rykhill correction

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charlotte Smith

echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 13 okt 2005 05:16:01

Everyone is correct, William Blount who married Elizabeth Echdyngham was not Lord Mountjoy, his father Walter was. Thanks for all the good eyes catching this slip. Also the correction was made on Archaeloogia Cantisna Vol 28 1909 not Vol 52 as that was the index.


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John H

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av John H » 13 okt 2005 16:04:13

Charlotte,
I thought Walter was 1st Baron Mountjoy! assuming the person of whom you
speak was the person who married Lady Ann Neville after death in 1460, of
her first husband, Sir Humphrey Stafford. of Raby, Durham, who died 10th Jan
1460.
The Walter I am talking about died 1st Aug 1474 and is buried in Chapel of
Apostles, Greyfriars, London UK.
John H

"charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Everyone is correct, William Blount who married Elizabeth Echdyngham was
not Lord Mountjoy, his father Walter was. Thanks for all the good eyes

catching this slip. Also the correction was made on Archaeloogia Cantisna
Vol 28 1909 not Vol 52 as that was the index.

angcilla

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av angcilla » 13 okt 2005 16:07:41

According to Faris: " Plantagenet Ancestry 17th century colonist"
William Blount was son of Walter Blount.Lord Mountjoy of Elvaston, Derby
by wife Ellen, daughter of John Bryron . He was heir apparent but he
died from wounds at battle of Barnet in 1471. His father Lord Mountjoy
died 1474 and then the son of William, Edward Blount became the 2nd Lord
Mountjoy

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Gjest

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 okt 2005 02:40:02

In a message dated 10/13/05 9:46:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
JohnH4999@hotmail.com writes:

<< I thought Walter was 1st Baron Mountjoy! assuming the person of whom you
speak was the person who married Lady Ann Neville after death in 1460, of
her first husband, Sir Humphrey Stafford. of Raby, Durham, who died 10th Jan
1460. >>

CP sets the remarriage date in 1467
Will Johnson

John H

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av John H » 14 okt 2005 04:11:24

Ok, thanks for the reply Charlotte,
I show William as the son of second marriage of Walter to Anne Neville.
Do you have any dates of marriages of Walter to (1) Ellen or Helena Byron or
Bryron
(2) Anne Neville (3) Unknown.
OR date of Williams birth/Christening, so this can be "nailed down"

I show c 144? (possibly b4 1443) for 1st marriage to Helena/Ellen
Byron/Bryron
I show "before 25th Nov 1467" for 2nd marriage to Anne Neville.
(begs the question as to what happened on 25th Nov 1467 with Walter or
family)

I show a "Charles Blount" as being from 1st marriage to Ellen/Helena
Byron/Bryron.

I also show a possiblity of a third marriage, anyone comment on this?

Always open for, additions, deletions, modifications/corrections etc!
regards
John H

"angcilla" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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According to Faris: " Plantagenet Ancestry 17th century colonist"
William Blount was son of Walter Blount.Lord Mountjoy of Elvaston, Derby
by wife Ellen, daughter of John Bryron . He was heir apparent but he
died from wounds at battle of Barnet in 1471. His father Lord Mountjoy
died 1474 and then the son of William, Edward Blount became the 2nd Lord
Mountjoy

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angcilla

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av angcilla » 14 okt 2005 06:38:39

According to Weis Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Complete Peerage IX page
336 has the infomation. "Sir William Blount died of wounds 14 April
1471 . He was knight of the shire of Derby 1467. He was son of Walter
Blount, KG, Lord Mountjoy, Treasurer of England and his wife Ellen
daughter of Sir John Byron of Clayton"

Also: Amcestral Roots=Weis gives additional sources: CP Ix 336=7; Old
CP VIII 185 Banks III 536; The Gen XXI 244-246

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angcilla

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av angcilla » 14 okt 2005 06:50:39

Anne Neville, daughter of Ralph Neville, of Raby, Durham, 1st Earl of
Westmorland by Joan Beaufort, the legitimized daugher of John of
Lancaster, Duke of Lancaster. She married Humphrey Stfford, Knt, Kg 6th
Earl of Stafford, and Duke of Buckingham . He was married before 18 Oct
1424 to Anne Neville . Humphrey Stafford was slain at battle of
Northampton 10 July 1460. His widow, Ann, married for the second time in
1467 to Walter Blount, lst Baron Mounty who died 1 Aug 1474. she died
20 Sept 1480 CP 2"388-9;CP 11"706 Paget 91977) P424

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Gjest

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 okt 2005 21:27:02

In a message dated 10/13/05 8:01:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JohnH4999@hotmail.com writes:

<< Ok, thanks for the reply Charlotte,
I show William as the son of second marriage of Walter to Anne Neville.
Do you have any dates of marriages of Walter to (1) Ellen or Helena Byron or
Bryron
(2) Anne Neville (3) Unknown.
OR date of Williams birth/Christening, so this can be "nailed down">>

Anne's prior husband did not die until 1460, while William was certainly born
before that date as he already had a few children off his wife Margaret de
Echyngham *before* his own death in 1471 (Battle of Barnet).

So William's mother has to be Helena (Ellen) Byron.

<< I show c 144? (possibly b4 1443) for 1st marriage to Helena/Ellen
Byron/Bryron I show "before 25th Nov 1467" for 2nd marriage to Anne Neville.
(begs the question as to what happened on 25th Nov 1467 with Walter or
family) >>

Probably some document related to land being given to her for life as she
would have several children and step-children and half-children probably all
competing for their share by this point.

<< I show a "Charles Blount" as being from 1st marriage to Ellen/Helena
Byron/Bryron. I also show a possiblity of a third marriage, anyone comment
on this? >>

Anne Neville outlived her last husband, so it's not likely he took another
wife.

Will Johnson

John H

Re: echyngham/rykhill correction

Legg inn av John H » 15 okt 2005 14:51:34

Thanks to those who replied to this thread on my queries submitted
John H
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message news:1b9.1e0fa940.30816015@aol.com...
In a message dated 10/13/05 8:01:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JohnH4999@hotmail.com writes:

Ok, thanks for the reply Charlotte,
I show William as the son of second marriage of Walter to Anne Neville.
Do you have any dates of marriages of Walter to (1) Ellen or Helena Byron
or
Bryron
(2) Anne Neville (3) Unknown.
OR date of Williams birth/Christening, so this can be "nailed down"

Anne's prior husband did not die until 1460, while William was certainly
born
before that date as he already had a few children off his wife Margaret de
Echyngham *before* his own death in 1471 (Battle of Barnet).

So William's mother has to be Helena (Ellen) Byron.

I show c 144? (possibly b4 1443) for 1st marriage to Helena/Ellen
Byron/Bryron I show "before 25th Nov 1467" for 2nd marriage to Anne
Neville.
(begs the question as to what happened on 25th Nov 1467 with Walter or
family)

Probably some document related to land being given to her for life as she
would have several children and step-children and half-children probably
all
competing for their share by this point.

I show a "Charles Blount" as being from 1st marriage to Ellen/Helena
Byron/Bryron. I also show a possiblity of a third marriage, anyone
comment
on this?

Anne Neville outlived her last husband, so it's not likely he took another
wife.

Will Johnson

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