Echyngham/Rykhill corrections

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Echyngham/Rykhill corrections

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 12 okt 2005 01:30:02

SOME CORRECTIONS TO THE ARTICLE-“THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS OF NETTLESTEAD CHURCH” BY W. E, Ball, Vol 52, 1940 page 157-249





Page 228 gives the chart of William Battisford and wife Margaret Peplesham and gives their daughter Alice who married Sir William Echyngham and had daughter Joan who married William Rykill.



Further in the article on page 229, it is stated that Joan had married the Justice of the court, William Rykhill. I show below that that is not so.



Correction to page 228



William Rykhill,[1] who died 1407 wrote his will and mentioned his wife Rosa and children John, Thomas, Nicholas, daughters Matilda and Johann and granddaughters Margaret and Johan. Rosa Medlan Rykhill, daughter of Sir Thomas Medlan and Matilda and wife of Sir Wm Rykhill, had her will proved 1419 and again she mentions her children William, John, Nicholas Thomas, and Matilda.. William Rykhill had been a well known Justice of the Common Please during Richard II and Henry IV. These dates are not compatible for a marriage to Joan Echyngham.



The eldest son of Sir William Rykhill, William, was knight for the shire of Kent in 1420 and died 1433. He married Katherine Coventre, [2]and their brass monuments are found in Northfleet church. Dated 1433.



The 2nd son John is no doubt the husband of Joan Echyngam and this is proved by the inquisition Winchelsea Tuesday after St. Hilary 2 Henry V (1415)

The mayor and commonality of Winchelsea have in the king’s street stretching lengthways from north to south (from the close of the friars) minor of the town on the west to the cliff on the east, where the wall with the ditch necessary therefore will extend 5 yards(virg) which they hold of the king in chief by fee-farm and by no other service. They hold the whole town of the king in chief by fee-farm of 4L, 11s 5 ¾ d yearly. The said 5 yards are needed(negodciantur_ for the said wall, by which the street, will be blocked there, to no damage or prejudice of the king or his commonality because by the first ordinance of the town all the streets thereof remain unoccupied(in vasto) as appears by the said ordinance returned to the Exchequer, and within the said wall there remain streets sufficient to meet all their needs.

The said wall will extend onto all the following lands, which are held by no other services and of no other mesne lords than those stated.



John Rykhill, as in his right of Joan his wife, and Elizabeth her sister, daughters of William lord of Echyngham, knight, and of Joan his wife, have 36 3/8 yards in 2 tofts lying together in the same quarter which descended to them by hereditary right on the death of Joan their mother and are held of the king in chief by fee-farm of 8 ¾ d being worth 11 ¼ d yearly to John(as in right of Joan his wife) and Elizabeth. 5 yards thereof are needed for the wall, to the king’s damage and prejudice of 1 ½ yd yearly and to John’s and Elizabeth’s of 1 ¾ and half a farthing yearly. There remain to them 30 yars(sic) which are not enough to pay more yearly than 7 ¼ d to the king of the fee-farm and are worth to them 9 ¼ d and half a farthing yearly.



This shows that William Rykilll, died 1407 could not be married to Joan Echyngham and his son William Rykhill Jr was married to Katherine Coventre, daughter of Henry Coventre. It is John that was the husband of Joan Echyngham.



John Rykhill and Joan Echyngham had a daughter Joan who married Richard Bruyn,


History of manor of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire. VCH Cambridge, vol 10


“By 1431 sir Nicholas Loveyn’s grandson and heir Richard Chamberlain claimed and perhaps controlled the manor, (footnote 92) but in 1434 it belonged to John Rickhill’s daughter and heir Joan and her husband Richard Bruyn(footnote 93) they sold it in 1450 to William Cotton. A feoffee since 1443 or earlier.”



Also the will of Johanna Bruyn. http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/willsb.htm

Will of Johanna Bruyn, of Frindsbury, date 1462, (r 2. 241) wife of Richard Bruyn, esquire, of Eslyngham in Kent, buried all Hallows the Great. London, land in Kent, Essex and London.. Will probably probated in Rochester consistory Court.



The Biog of William Lee (dc 1442) of Podmore and Aston, Staffs, in Roskells HOP vols (pp 581-2) states that he “m Maud, poss. Da and co heir of John Rickhell (MP) d 1432 of Islingham, Kent



FEET OF FINES FOR ESSEX

VOL. IV P.64.

Diverse Counties.7 Edward IV. Hilary Term 1468.

John Worsop, citizen and draper of London, pl.

Richard Ayssheby of Stratton on Dunnesmore, co. Warwick, and Joan his wife, late the wife of Henry Pevynsey, daughter and heir of Thomas Rykhill, esquire, and kinswoman and heir of Joan late the wife of Richard Bruyn, daughter and heir of John Rikhill, son of William Rikhill, knight, def.

The manor of Mokilton Hall, co. Essex., and the manor of Eslyngham and 300 acres of land, 20 acres of meadow, 20+++0 acres of pasture, 40 acres of wood, 300 acres of marsh and 50s. rent in Fryndesbuyry, Higham, Shorn, Stok, Hoo, and Clyve, co. Kent. Def. quitclaimed to pl. and his heirs. Warranty against George, abbot of Westminster, and his successors. Consideration 20£.




PAGE 231


“Sir Thomas Echyngham who left two daughters and co heiresses. The older Margaret married first William Blount, by whom she had no children, and secondly Sir John Elrington.”



Page 231 Correction:

Margaret Echyngham did indeed marry William Blount and had 4 children of this marriage.



Margaret Echyngham married William Blount (Lord Mountjoy)

1. Elizabeth Blount married Andrews Windsor

2. John Blount

3. Edward Blount

4. Alice or Ann Blount married Thomas Oxenbridge 2nd David Owen



Margaret married 2nd John Elrington about 1472/4



`1. Edward Elrington

2. Ann Elrington md Edward Combe

Margaret married 3rd [3] Thomas Combe in Middlesex by 1488 and she is buried with her 2nd husband at Shoreditch, Middlexsex





Page231: last paragraph” the 2nd daughter, Elizabeth, married first Sir Goddard Oxenbridge and 2ndly Sir Roger Fiennes.”


Correction to above paragraph[4]
Elizabeth Echingham daughter of Thomas Echyngham and Margaret West married Goddard Oxenbridge as his 1st wife. Goddard Oxenbridge married 2nd Ann Fiennes.daughter of Thomas Fiennes and Ann Urswick. Ann Fiennes Oxenbridge survived Goddard and she died May 1531. So Elizabeth was not able to marry Roger Fiennes 2ndly.




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[1]Kent Wills


[2] Historical Gazetteer of London before the great fire, St. Mary Le Bow 104/11-British History online


[3] Pro C126/57 Thomas Combs, esquire and Margaret his wife, previously the wife of John Elryington


[4]H.S.P 53 (1905) p 14-16 Oxenbridg4e pedigree; pages 124-126 Echyngham pedigree






Charlotsmith@prodigy.net

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Echyngham/Rykhill corrections

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 12 okt 2005 23:03:25

In message of 12 Oct, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/11/05 4:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
charlotsmith@prodigy.net writes:

Margaret Echyngham married William Blount (Lord Mountjoy)

1. Elizabeth Blount married Andrews Windsor

Are you quite sure that this William was Lord Mountjoy?
I'm showing his father as Walter d 1 Aug 1474
Whereas I'm showing William d 1471 so predeceding his father the 1st Baron
Mountjoy. So William would not have acquired the title.

CP IX, 336-7 confirms that William was not lord.

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Gjest

Re: Echyngham/Rykhill corrections

Legg inn av Gjest » 12 okt 2005 23:40:51

In a message dated 10/11/05 4:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
charlotsmith@prodigy.net writes:

<< Margaret Echyngham married William Blount (Lord Mountjoy)

1. Elizabeth Blount married Andrews Windsor >>

Are you quite sure that this William was Lord Mountjoy?
I'm showing his father as Walter d 1 Aug 1474
Whereas I'm showing William d 1471 so predeceding his father the 1st Baron
Mountjoy. So William would not have acquired the title.

Please correct this if it's not so.
Thanks
Will Johnson

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