Counts of Amiens

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Roger LeBlanc

Counts of Amiens

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 10 okt 2005 07:17:04

I was just wondering how the county of Amiens passed from Gaultier II
(died 1024) to the later counts Enguerrand de Coucy etc.
An outline of the descent, if there is one, would be greatly
appreciated. The archives were not very helpful.

Roger LeBlanc

Peter Stewart

Re: Counts of Amiens

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 10 okt 2005 10:19:54

"Roger LeBlanc" <leblancr@mts.net> wrote in message
news:4349EB7A.20700@mts.net...
I was just wondering how the county of Amiens passed from Gaultier II (died
1024) to the later counts Enguerrand de Coucy etc.
An outline of the descent, if there is one, would be greatly appreciated.
The archives were not very helpful.

This was not by descent - the question of Amiens is not altogethr clear, but
the aggregation of territories held by the line of coutns down to Raoul IV
(known as "le Grand", died 8 September 1074) fell apart within a few years
of his death.

His heir was his second son, Simon, a highly religious man who became a
monk. Amiens ceased to figure as a countship under his brief rule, and it
used to be said that he had given it away to his half-brothers. However, his
local powers may have been effectively divided between the bishop of Amiens
(the suzerain), his vidame, a viscount and a castellan until the ambitious
Enguerrand de Coucy apparently assumed the title for himself around 1085,
though not consistently from then on.

Louis VI eventually took the city of Amiens from Enguerrand's heir Thomas de
Marle and gave it to the counts of Vermandois, as senior descendants of the
former comital line; from them it passed to an heiress of Saint-Pol who
maried a son of Thomas de Marle. It was seized back by the count of
Vermandois, passed to his sister the countess of Flanders and then to the
kings of France from 1185.

Peter Stewart

Roger LeBlanc

Re: Counts of Amiens

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 11 okt 2005 06:14:01

Thank you for taking the time to reply Peter. Also thanks to Leo van de
Pas for the private email.

Roger LeBlanc

Peter Stewart wrote:

"Roger LeBlanc" <leblancr@mts.net> wrote in message
news:4349EB7A.20700@mts.net...


I was just wondering how the county of Amiens passed from Gaultier II (died
1024) to the later counts Enguerrand de Coucy etc.
An outline of the descent, if there is one, would be greatly appreciated.
The archives were not very helpful.



This was not by descent - the question of Amiens is not altogethr clear, but
the aggregation of territories held by the line of coutns down to Raoul IV
(known as "le Grand", died 8 September 1074) fell apart within a few years
of his death.

His heir was his second son, Simon, a highly religious man who became a
monk. Amiens ceased to figure as a countship under his brief rule, and it
used to be said that he had given it away to his half-brothers. However, his
local powers may have been effectively divided between the bishop of Amiens
(the suzerain), his vidame, a viscount and a castellan until the ambitious
Enguerrand de Coucy apparently assumed the title for himself around 1085,
though not consistently from then on.

Louis VI eventually took the city of Amiens from Enguerrand's heir Thomas de
Marle and gave it to the counts of Vermandois, as senior descendants of the
former comital line; from them it passed to an heiress of Saint-Pol who
maried a son of Thomas de Marle. It was seized back by the count of
Vermandois, passed to his sister the countess of Flanders and then to the
kings of France from 1185.

Peter Stewart




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