On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
we see Henry with only a birthyear.
He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham
Will Johnson
Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Gjest
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
In a message dated 10/5/05 6:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
<< On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
we see Henry with only a birthyear.
He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham >>
Thank you Will and pulling this slightly back into the medieval period we can
add the following
From DNB "Russell, William"
Sir William Russell, baronet, Treasurer of the Navy buried 3 Feb 1654 at
Chippenham, Cambridgeshire
was the grandfather of the Elizabeth Russell who married Henry Cromwell (see
above)
The intermediate link, that is William's son and thus Elizabeth's father --
was Sir Francis Russell, eldest son of this father and also created baronet.
This Sir Francis Russell must have been born between 1626 and 1633
1) William's first wife Elizabeth Cherry died in 1626 (DNB "Russell,
William").
2) Sir Francis Russell's mother was William's second wife Elizabeth Gerard
(dau of Thomas Gerard of Burnell)
3) Elizabeth Russell married Henry Cromwell 10 May 1658 (DNB "Cromwell,
Henry")
This is a pretty tight chronology.
Either Francis was an early son of a quick second marriage, or Elizabeth
Russell was married as a child.
Appreciate any comments and pointers to any records that may comment on this
line.
Will Johnson
writes:
<< On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
we see Henry with only a birthyear.
He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham >>
Thank you Will and pulling this slightly back into the medieval period we can
add the following
From DNB "Russell, William"
Sir William Russell, baronet, Treasurer of the Navy buried 3 Feb 1654 at
Chippenham, Cambridgeshire
was the grandfather of the Elizabeth Russell who married Henry Cromwell (see
above)
The intermediate link, that is William's son and thus Elizabeth's father --
was Sir Francis Russell, eldest son of this father and also created baronet.
This Sir Francis Russell must have been born between 1626 and 1633
1) William's first wife Elizabeth Cherry died in 1626 (DNB "Russell,
William").
2) Sir Francis Russell's mother was William's second wife Elizabeth Gerard
(dau of Thomas Gerard of Burnell)
3) Elizabeth Russell married Henry Cromwell 10 May 1658 (DNB "Cromwell,
Henry")
This is a pretty tight chronology.
Either Francis was an early son of a quick second marriage, or Elizabeth
Russell was married as a child.
Appreciate any comments and pointers to any records that may comment on this
line.
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
In a message dated 10/5/05 8:23:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
<< He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham >> >>
That's very interesting Will, but you may have misread the marriage date.
Here is a document which states that they are already married by 3 Aug 1653
Will Johnson
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Cambridgeshire County Record Office, Huntingdon: Bush Collection
Reference Code: 731
Bush Collection
Creation dates: 1579-1925
Creator(s): Cromwell family of Huntingdonshire
Reference: 731/29
Marriage settlement by way of lease and release
Creation dates: 2-3 Aug 1653
Extent and Form: 2 items
Scope and Content
1. Oliver Cromwell, Captain General
2. Francis Russell of Chippenham, Cambs
Manors in trust as a jointure for Elizabeth, eldest daughter of (2) now the
wife of Henry, second son of (1). Properties: Dalbie and Nether Broughton,
Leics; Anglicana Gower, Wallicana Gower, Swansea, Kilvey, Oystermouth, Pennard,
Lougher, Kithull, Trewithvah, Lunnon, all Glamorgan.
writes:
<< He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham >> >>
That's very interesting Will, but you may have misread the marriage date.
Here is a document which states that they are already married by 3 Aug 1653
Will Johnson
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Cambridgeshire County Record Office, Huntingdon: Bush Collection
Reference Code: 731
Bush Collection
Creation dates: 1579-1925
Creator(s): Cromwell family of Huntingdonshire
Reference: 731/29
Marriage settlement by way of lease and release
Creation dates: 2-3 Aug 1653
Extent and Form: 2 items
Scope and Content
1. Oliver Cromwell, Captain General
2. Francis Russell of Chippenham, Cambs
Manors in trust as a jointure for Elizabeth, eldest daughter of (2) now the
wife of Henry, second son of (1). Properties: Dalbie and Nether Broughton,
Leics; Anglicana Gower, Wallicana Gower, Swansea, Kilvey, Oystermouth, Pennard,
Lougher, Kithull, Trewithvah, Lunnon, all Glamorgan.
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Gjest
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
You're doing such a good job by yourself(s) that it's hard for the rest
of us to get a word in!
MAR
of us to get a word in!
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
I wonder if anyone can tie into the Cromwell family, the Miss Cromwell
who married Francis Wise of Cherry Hinton, Cambs (1519-1589) as his
first wife?
who married Francis Wise of Cherry Hinton, Cambs (1519-1589) as his
first wife?
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
In message of 6 Oct, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
And in Mark Noble's "Protectorate House of Cromwell" there is some
additional info:
Confirmed
Confirmed
Confirmed
"Soon after his return from Ireland, in 1653, he married a dau of sir
Fra. Russell, bart."
Confirmed with the nugget that she was 52 at death and burried close to
hubby at Wicken.
An additional information relating to the marriage date is the birth of
the eldest daughter, Elizabeth, who was born at Whitehall in Sept 1654,
dying at Chippenham on 17th July 1659 and buried in the church there on
the 18th.
Apologies for thie material being outside the scope of this newsgroup.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
we see Henry with only a birthyear.
He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
And in Mark Noble's "Protectorate House of Cromwell" there is some
additional info:
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
Confirmed
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
Confirmed
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
Confirmed
married 10 May 1658
"Soon after his return from Ireland, in 1653, he married a dau of sir
Fra. Russell, bart."
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
Confirmed with the nugget that she was 52 at death and burried close to
hubby at Wicken.
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham
An additional information relating to the marriage date is the birth of
the eldest daughter, Elizabeth, who was born at Whitehall in Sept 1654,
dying at Chippenham on 17th July 1659 and buried in the church there on
the 18th.
Apologies for thie material being outside the scope of this newsgroup.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Gjest
Re: Henry Cromwell, Ruler of Ireland 1657-9
Dear Will, Will and Will et al.,
WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Interesting that the death date is given in both calendars but not the
birth! Is it 1627/8 or 1628/9? I noticed the new DNB wasn't consistent
about which calendar they chose for dates.
Even tighter- according to new DNB, William married his 3rd wife in
1628. I descend from that marriage, and didn't note any further details
on the previous ones, but it gives William as born c.1575, son of
another William (d.1591) by one Joan Saunders.
And of course Elizabeth's brother John Russell married Henry's sister
Frances Cromwell...
Matthew
WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/5/05 6:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
we see Henry with only a birthyear.
He has a DNB entry which gives this additional genealogical detail.
Born 20 Jan 1628 at Huntingdon
died 23 Mar 1673/4 Spinney Abbey, Cambridgeshire
Interesting that the death date is given in both calendars but not the
birth! Is it 1627/8 or 1628/9? I noticed the new DNB wasn't consistent
about which calendar they chose for dates.
buried at Wicken Church, Cambridgeshire
married 10 May 1658
Elizabeth Russell (d 7 Apr 1687)
dau of Sir Francis Russell of Chippenham
Thank you Will and pulling this slightly back into the medieval period we can
add the following
From DNB "Russell, William"
Sir William Russell, baronet, Treasurer of the Navy buried 3 Feb 1654 at
Chippenham, Cambridgeshire
was the grandfather of the Elizabeth Russell who married Henry Cromwell (see
above)
The intermediate link, that is William's son and thus Elizabeth's father --
was Sir Francis Russell, eldest son of this father and also created baronet.
This Sir Francis Russell must have been born between 1626 and 1633
Even tighter- according to new DNB, William married his 3rd wife in
1628. I descend from that marriage, and didn't note any further details
on the previous ones, but it gives William as born c.1575, son of
another William (d.1591) by one Joan Saunders.
1) William's first wife Elizabeth Cherry died in 1626 (DNB "Russell,
William").
2) Sir Francis Russell's mother was William's second wife Elizabeth Gerard
(dau of Thomas Gerard of Burnell)
3) Elizabeth Russell married Henry Cromwell 10 May 1658 (DNB "Cromwell,
Henry")
This is a pretty tight chronology.
Either Francis was an early son of a quick second marriage, or Elizabeth
Russell was married as a child.
Appreciate any comments and pointers to any records that may comment on this
line.
Will Johnson
And of course Elizabeth's brother John Russell married Henry's sister
Frances Cromwell...
Matthew