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V. Chris and Tom Tinney,

Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Geneal

Legg inn av V. Chris and Tom Tinney, » 05 okt 2005 04:54:41

Education Publications and Online Books:
Indexers and Genealogists

Education Publications and Online Books
has been recently updated to include
the current status of online book
resources, at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/books ... .htm#Edpub

In particular, it may be of interest
to some members of this group to compare:
(1) The current Google Print search of
the full text of books;
(2) The newly created Open Content Alliance
group from around the world, that will help
build a permanent archive of multilingual
digitized text and multimedia content;
(3) The "i2010: Digital Libraries" project,
making European information resources available
in an on-line environment (Digital Libraries -
Europa);
(4) The Digitalized Texts Online at
the Internet Archive, with various
Sub-Collections;
(5) Other various sites, genealogical
and otherwise, linking or containing Digital
Books; as well as making comparison with
6) Indexers and Genealogists sources, at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/docum ... m#Indexers

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

V. Chris and Tom Tinney,

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av V. Chris and Tom Tinney, » 05 okt 2005 05:29:07

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:

You forgot to include one of the best resources ever.
_www.wikisource.org_ (http://www.wikisource.org)

Will Johnson

The Wiki sites are listed under:

Publishing for Genealogists and Resource Tools
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/books ... htm#Pubgen
I consider it a reference source, at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/docum ... #Reference
an encyclopedia tool for learning and researching,
that is as accurate, comprehensive and unbiased
as the contributors to the site.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/archives.htm#Research
I intend to add the Wikibooks portal, at:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks_portal

Gjest

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2005 06:05:02

You forgot to include one of the best resources ever.
_www.wikisource.org_ (http://www.wikisource.org)

Will Johnson

Chris Phillips

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 05 okt 2005 09:08:10

Will Johnson wrote:
You forgot to include one of the best resources ever.
_www.wikisource.org_ (http://www.wikisource.org)

I've never had much luck finding any relevant medieval material there. Am I
missing something? There seems to be an index page here for medieval texts:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medieval_Texts:Titles

But most of the links are red, which seems to mean the page isn't present
yet.

Chris Phillips

V. Chris and Tom Tinney,

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av V. Chris and Tom Tinney, » 05 okt 2005 15:00:14

Chris Phillips wrote:
Will Johnson wrote:

You forgot to include one of the best resources ever.
_www.wikisource.org_ (http://www.wikisource.org)


I've never had much luck finding any relevant medieval material there. Am I
missing something? There seems to be an index page here for medieval texts:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medieval_Texts:Titles

But most of the links are red, which seems to mean the page isn't present
yet.

Chris Phillips
----------------------------------------------------

You have missed the boat completely, Chris.
Thank you for asking the very important question:
"Am I missing something?" SEE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... m=Medieval
That is why the Wikipedia:Quick index is listed at:
Research and Learning
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/archives.htm#Research

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

Gjest

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2005 16:05:18

Is there any way to look up a book title to find out what libraries
hold it? I am thinking mainly of US libraries. I know librarians can,
or were able to a few years ago, but I wondered if something like that
is available online to the private sector.

Mardi

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 05 okt 2005 16:39:16

mardicar@yahoo.com wrote:
Is there any way to look up a book title to find out what libraries
hold it? I am thinking mainly of US libraries. I know librarians can,
or were able to a few years ago, but I wondered if something like that
is available online to the private sector.

The database that many libraries use is WorldCat. Most university and
larger public libraries allow free access (by those associated with the
University in the first case, by card-holders in the second). As it is
a subscription service by the libraries, as far as I know there is not
general free on-line access.

taf

Diane Sheppard

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Diane Sheppard » 05 okt 2005 16:51:12

World Cat is available at no charge to residents of the State of
Michigan. We log on using our driver's license number.

The State also provides residents with free access to a number of other
databases.

Diane Sheppard

Chris Phillips

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 05 okt 2005 17:12:27

Will Johnson wrote:
Chris wiki's are built by the contributors, there are no *editors* per se.
Each person is an editor. So what this is telling you, is that some one
at
least, created an index page based on something (which you can edit and
improve).
But that they didn't go on to create each underlying source.

Thanks. I can see it has the potential to be useful if people do upload
source material, but it doesn't really seem to be happening so far - at
least not with medieval works. I have been checking the "what's new" page
for some time to see if anything useful turned up. At any rate, I'm glad I'm
not somehow missing a lot of useful material there.

Chris Phillips

Ginny Wagner

RE: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 05 okt 2005 17:48:02

Hi Mardi,
Yes, it is available in the private sector, at least here in
Austin, TX. I use it all the time. I do the search in
WorldCat and order the material through ILL, all from my own
computer at home. I have my own account that tracks what I
have, what requests are outstanding, etc. Why do you ask?
Ginny


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Education Publications and Online
Books: Indexers and
Genealogists


Is there any way to look up a book title to find
out what libraries
hold it? I am thinking mainly of US libraries.
I know librarians can,
or were able to a few years ago, but I wondered
if something like that
is available online to the private sector.

Mardi

Gjest

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2005 17:49:02

In a message dated 10/5/2005 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk writes:


I've never had much luck finding any relevant medieval material there. Am I
missing something? There seems to be an index page here for medieval texts:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medieval_Texts:Titles

Chris wiki's are built by the contributors, there are no *editors* per se.
Each person is an editor. So what this is telling you, is that some one at
least, created an index page based on something (which you can edit and improve).
But that they didn't go on to create each underlying source.

They are leaving it up to the people who visit, who may have, such sources,
to create those sources.

As you can see a wiki is an exercise in love for the discipline, which is
this case is a bit of knowledge and a lot of typing.

It will be interesting to see if this project is dwarfed and vanishes due to
the digitizing of books, but somehow I think there are probably some obscure
books that no library might have or even if they do, that the digitizing won't
probably index or link them the way we would be able to manually on a wiki.

Will Johnson

V. Chris and Tom Tinney,

The Open WorldCat Program and Interlibrary Loan: Education

Legg inn av V. Chris and Tom Tinney, » 05 okt 2005 20:28:11

mardicar@yahoo.com wrote:

Is there any way to look up a book title to find out what libraries
hold it? I am thinking mainly of US libraries. I know librarians can,
or were able to a few years ago, but I wondered if something like that
is available online to the private sector.

Mardi
--------------------------------------------------------

The Open WorldCat Program and Interlibrary Loan:
Education Publications and Online Books -
Indexers and Genealogists

"The Open WorldCat program makes records
of library-owned materials in OCLC's WorldCat
database available to Web users on popular
Internet search, bibliographic and bookselling
sites. . . . In the fall of 2004, the Open
WorldCat collection was expanded to include
information about all WorldCat records."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCLC

"A special version of the Yahoo! Toolbar
provides an ever-present browser pane
with links to Yahoo! services and input
box for direct search of WorldCat libraries."
http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/open/default.htm

"Are you a library user? Install the Toolbar
on your home computer and search for materials
no matter where you are on the Web!"
http://www.oclc.org/toolbar/default.htm
"Have a question about Yahoo! Toolbar?"
http://help.yahoo.com/help/toolbar/

"Search from anywhere on the Web",
has the caveat: "* OCLC member library
authorization may be required". Information
for the amateur to professional researcher,
including the Library of Congress, Harvard,
public, private, college, local, university,
international, worldwide library links and
classification systems, is found at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/librariesmuseums.htm

"Open WorldCat points more people—even
those who don't typically visit libraries—
to library collections as a first source
of information. It promotes the value
of libraries on a scale greater than
any library or group could achieve alone."
http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/open/default.htm

"Excited by the 'resounding success' of
the Open WorldCat pilot program, the management
of OCLC, the world’s largest library vendor,
has decided to open the entire collection of
53.3 million items connected to 928.6 million
library holdings for 'harvesting' by Google
and Yahoo! Search." . . . "Open WorldCat
.. . . largest bibliographic database in
the world with an incredible amount of
information on material and [with] its
location now made available to users
all over the world. It brings people
to the record of human achievement,
culture, and research contained in
print collections of libraries
around the world. . . . As Alford said,
'It must increase interlibrary loan as
people start to understand what is
available in public and university
libraries. It will absolutely increase
direct borrowing and interlibrary loan.'
.. . . "
http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb041011-2.shtml

Education Publications and Online Books
has been recently updated to include
the current status of online book
resources, at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/books ... .htm#Edpub

In particular, it may be of interest
to some members of this group to compare:
(1) The current Google Print search of
the full text of books;
(2) The newly created Open Content Alliance
group from around the world, that will help
build a permanent archive of multilingual
digitized text and multimedia content;
(3) The "i2010: Digital Libraries" project,
making European information resources available
in an on-line environment (Digital Libraries -
Europa);
(4) The Digitized Texts Online at
the Internet Archive, with various
Sub-Collections;
(5) Other various sites, genealogical
and otherwise, linking or containing Digital
Books; as well as making comparison with
6) Indexers and Genealogists sources, at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/docum ... m#Indexers

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

Chris Phillips

EU Digital Libraries initiative (was: The Open WorldCat Prog

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 05 okt 2005 20:49:05

V. Chris and Tom Tinney, Sr. wrote:
(3) The "i2010: Digital Libraries" project,
making European information resources available
in an on-line environment (Digital Libraries -
Europa);


Actually, this major project is worth drawing particular attention to.

This is a major European Union initiative to coordinate the creation of
digital libraries on the Internet. This press release was issued last week:
http://tinyurl.com/8wzum

It is being seen as a European "rival" to Google's book digitisation
project. However, it is not limited to books. Audiovisual resources are
given prominence, and interestingly manuscripts are specifically mentioned
as an example of "written heritage".

Chris Phillips

Gjest

Re: Education Publications and Online Books: Indexers and Ge

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2005 22:13:01

In a message dated 10/5/05 9:13:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk writes:

<<
Thanks. I can see it has the potential to be useful if people do upload
source material, but it doesn't really seem to be happening so far - at
least not with medieval works. >>

It's a snowball effect. Once it starts getting lots of stuff, it will
accelerate faster and faster. http://www.wikipedia.com started off a few years ago with
only maybe 10 thousand articles. Now, in English, there are over 700 thousand
articles

Even relatively obscure people like Marilyn Monroe's first husband "James
Dougherty" are getting there own comprehensive articles. (I picked him because I
just edited that article last night.)

The more wikipedia.com comes to the top of search engines, the more people
will jump on the bandwagon. And the more they do that, the more people will
wander over to wikisource to see what *that's about* and who knows but that
person may just have one of the only 15 copies of Blavatsky's "Ode to a Fruit Bat"
in their possession .... ( I just made that up).
Will Johnson

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