Hostages To Ensure Peace

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Hostages To Ensure Peace

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 okt 2005 07:32:34

This past week "Hostage" was mentioned.

The following is a copy from " The Nottingham Date Book 850-1884"
page 30

Year: 1212

John this year, perpetrated the enormous cruelty of putting to death,
by hanging, at Nottingham castle, twenty eight youth belonging to the
most powerful and illustrious families of Wales, which youths he had
brought with him, after the rebellion, the year before, as hostages
for the future peace and submission of to principality.

At the time this event occurred the king. was indulging
himself in the pleasures of the chase, at his favourite place of
retirement from the cares of government, Clipstone Palace, when a
messenger arrived from his sister Joan, who was married to
Llewellyn, Prince of Wales, informing him of a fresh revolt; and
at the same time, another came with a letter from his friend and
ally, David I. King of Scotland, apprizing him of the existence
of a wide spread conspiracy against him amongst the barons, and
the others in the northern parts of the kingdom. Hastily summoning
a council, they met under the bough of an oak tree, in the park,
which thence gained the appellation of the "Parliament Oak", The
trunk of which still is, or up to a recent period was, in existence.
John here related to the assembly the contents of the message he
had just received, and demanded of them, in a great rage, that they
should give their consent to the immediate execution of the Welsh
hostages, who were detained in the castle of Nottingham; which
diabolical demand, after a short consultation and without any
particular inquiry as to how far or any of the fathers of these
hapless youths were involved in the guilt of the rebellion, was
acceded to by all present. So resolute was the tyrant in having his
bloody resolve surely and promptly carried into effect, that he swore
"by the teeth of God;" that he would not eat bread again, until
with his own eyes, he had seen them all put to death. Mounting
his horse, therefore, and summoning his attendants to accompany him,
he rode with all possible speed. to Nottingham. Having on his arrival,
informed the governor of the purport of his visit, the youths-many of
them mere boys of the tender age of twelve or fourteen years, and, at
the time of the mandate of the tyrant being issued, enjoying
themselves within the precincts of the castle, in sports suitable to
their age were all seized, bound, and whilst uttering the most
piercing and heartrending cries, carried to the ramparts, and then
hanged in a row.

John having thus temporarily satiated his vengeance against the nobles
of Wales, by the murder of their children, returned to Clipstone, to
dine and again to recreate himself in the pleasures of hunting and
like diversions.

Brendan Wilson

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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
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Gjest

Re: Hostages To Ensure Peace

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 okt 2005 16:05:03

Dear Brendan,
William I, the Lion was King of Scots from 1164 to
1214. David I was King of Scots from 1124 to 1153 and so definitely not a friend
of John born 1167. William I , David I`s grandson was the tattler in question.
Sincerely,
James
W Cummings

Dixmont, Maine USA

Gjest

Re: Hostages To Ensure Peace

Legg inn av Gjest » 02 okt 2005 01:32:23

Thank you

I scaned the page word for word.The original book was printed 1884

I did notice the passage said Joan, John's sister.
She is his daughter

It still don't ease the pain of what he did, does it?

Brendan wilson

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:04:01 +0000 (UTC), Jwc1870@aol.com wrote:

Dear Brendan,
William I, the Lion was King of Scots from 1164 to
1214. David I was King of Scots from 1124 to 1153 and so definitely not a friend
of John born 1167. William I , David I`s grandson was the tattler in question.
Sincerely,
James
W Cummings

Dixmont, Maine USA

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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Ginny Wagner

RE: Hostages To Ensure Peace

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 24 okt 2005 23:09:02

Hi Brendan,
I've saved this email (which is great and thank you very
much for the story) because I have an ancestor who was held,
ca. 1199, by King John as hostage for his uncle's service as
a knight in Ireland, steward to Fulc de Saundford/Basset,
fighting the Welsh. I'm curious if you have a list of the
names of the youths who were hanged or know where I could
find one? Was that included in The Nottingham Date Book
850-1884 you named?

Thanks, Ginny

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