Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/edu ... 0latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink.net/~plantagenet6 ... enet01.htm
Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
What a fascinating document. It would be interesting to know what, if any,
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
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John P. Ravilious
Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
What a fascinating document. It would be interesting to know what, if any,
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
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Kevin Bradford
Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
John,
Two of Mortimer's children, Katherine and Margaret, I number among my ancestors. As to the matter of inheritance, none of Joan's personal effects found their way into my mother's hope chest <smile>.
I don't suppose it's out of the realm of the possible that personal items can be inherited for so many generations, but I suspect of those that are still in families as opposed to museums, such articles would be held by modern-day royals and peers. The best I can do is produce a family Bible from the 1770s, and even then I had to get it back into the family by bidding on it in eBay.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink.net/~plantagenet6 ... enet01.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com>
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
Two of Mortimer's children, Katherine and Margaret, I number among my ancestors. As to the matter of inheritance, none of Joan's personal effects found their way into my mother's hope chest <smile>.
I don't suppose it's out of the realm of the possible that personal items can be inherited for so many generations, but I suspect of those that are still in families as opposed to museums, such articles would be held by modern-day royals and peers. The best I can do is produce a family Bible from the 1770s, and even then I had to get it back into the family by bidding on it in eBay.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink.net/~plantagenet6 ... enet01.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com>
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
What a fascinating document. It would be interesting to know what, if any,
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
In message of 30 Sep, plantagenet60@earthlink.net (Kevin Bradford) wrote:
With six lines to that happy couple, I can only offer a bundle of
hearth-tax receipts from the later 1600s, a fat lot of good for any
genealogical purpose. But a memento of black times?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Two of Mortimer's children, Katherine and Margaret, I number among my
ancestors. As to the matter of inheritance, none of Joan's personal
effects found their way into my mother's hope chest <smile>.
I don't suppose it's out of the realm of the possible that personal
items can be inherited for so many generations, but I suspect of
those that are still in families as opposed to museums, such articles
would be held by modern-day royals and peers. The best I can do is
produce a family Bible from the 1770s, and even then I had to get it
back into the family by bidding on it in eBay.
With six lines to that happy couple, I can only offer a bundle of
hearth-tax receipts from the later 1600s, a fat lot of good for any
genealogical purpose. But a memento of black times?
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink.net/~plantagenet6 ... enet01.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
What a fascinating document. It would be interesting to know what, if any,
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
My children come down from four of the Mortimer children, Katherine,
Margaret, Edmund and Maud. Through me they have Katherine and through my
first husband they have all four of them.
And, no, we don't seem to have any of their tapestries hanging on our walls
either !
One of my given names is Mortimer, through a Scottish family of that name,
the earliest of whom I've traced to John Mortimer who died in 1733 in Dysart
Fife. I would love to be able to link them to the Norman family.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 10/01/05 00:18:50
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
John,
Two of Mortimer's children, Katherine and Margaret, I number among my
ancestors. As to the matter of inheritance, none of Joan's personal effects
found their way into my mother's hope chest <smile>.
I don't suppose it's out of the realm of the possible that personal items
can be inherited for so many generations, but I suspect of those that are
still in families as opposed to museums, such articles would be held by
modern-day royals and peers. The best I can do is produce a family Bible
from the 1770s, and even then I had to get it back into the family by
bidding on it in eBay.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com>
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
Margaret, Edmund and Maud. Through me they have Katherine and through my
first husband they have all four of them.
And, no, we don't seem to have any of their tapestries hanging on our walls
either !
One of my given names is Mortimer, through a Scottish family of that name,
the earliest of whom I've traced to John Mortimer who died in 1733 in Dysart
Fife. I would love to be able to link them to the Norman family.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 10/01/05 00:18:50
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
John,
Two of Mortimer's children, Katherine and Margaret, I number among my
ancestors. As to the matter of inheritance, none of Joan's personal effects
found their way into my mother's hope chest <smile>.
I don't suppose it's out of the realm of the possible that personal items
can be inherited for so many generations, but I suspect of those that are
still in families as opposed to museums, such articles would be held by
modern-day royals and peers. The best I can do is produce a family Bible
from the 1770s, and even then I had to get it back into the family by
bidding on it in eBay.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com>
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Dear Merilyn (and Kevin),
A rather interesting document, esp. as relates to the contents. A
pity that a good art historian had not taken down the list: the
description in detail of the tapestries would be more interesting, if
not edifying.
Note that this is the famous (infamous) Roger de Mortimer (later to
be executed at Tyburn on 29 Nov 1330) and his wife Joan/Jeanne de
Geneville.
I can confirm that as one descendant of this couple, I do not now
have any of these items in my possession. Fairly certain I never had
them at any prior time, either.....
Cheers,
John
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
What a fascinating document. It would be interesting to know what, if any
of the mentioned items have survived. Are there current descendants who
own
any of them I wonder?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Bradford
Date: 09/30/05 09:13:39
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Personal effects of Joan de Geneville
Below is a link to an interesting account of the personal property of a
high-born medieval lady, Joan de Geneville [ob. 1356], the unfortunate
consort of Roger Mortimer, earl of March. The occasion of this inventory
was the arrest of Joan's husband in 1322:
http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov
uk/education/Wigmore%20Castle/Wigmore%20inventory%20-%20latin.htm
A review of the Latin text is invited.
Best,
Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink
net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm