Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
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John Brandon
Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
Does the following impact at all upon the Chandos article in _CP_?
_The Manuscripts of the Duke of Leeds, the Bridgewater Trust, Reading
Corporation, the Inner Temple, &c._ [Historical Manuscripts Commission,
11th Report, Appendix, part 7], p. 154 (Bridgewater MSS.):
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630.
_The Manuscripts of the Duke of Leeds, the Bridgewater Trust, Reading
Corporation, the Inner Temple, &c._ [Historical Manuscripts Commission,
11th Report, Appendix, part 7], p. 154 (Bridgewater MSS.):
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630.
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
In a message dated 9/28/05 2:26:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
<< _The Manuscripts of the Duke of Leeds, the Bridgewater Trust, Reading
Corporation, the Inner Temple, &c._ [Historical Manuscripts Commission,
11th Report, Appendix, part 7], p. 154 (Bridgewater MSS.):
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630. >>
I'm reading this that this document is *from* 1630.
But who was the "Countess of Derby" in 1630 ?
William Stanley, 6th of Derby d 29 Sep 1642
His brother the 5th of Derby had d 16 Apr 1594
William's wife Elizabeth de Vere d abt 10 Mar 1626 per Leo's database
Will Johnson
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
<< _The Manuscripts of the Duke of Leeds, the Bridgewater Trust, Reading
Corporation, the Inner Temple, &c._ [Historical Manuscripts Commission,
11th Report, Appendix, part 7], p. 154 (Bridgewater MSS.):
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630. >>
I'm reading this that this document is *from* 1630.
But who was the "Countess of Derby" in 1630 ?
William Stanley, 6th of Derby d 29 Sep 1642
His brother the 5th of Derby had d 16 Apr 1594
William's wife Elizabeth de Vere d abt 10 Mar 1626 per Leo's database
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
The 5th Earl's widow long survived him, dying in 1637.
MAR
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
The identification of this Countess as the 5th Earl's widow is
confirmed by the reference to her grandson, Lord Chandos: the 5th
Earl's eldest daughter married the 5th Lord Chandos of Sudeley.
MAR
confirmed by the reference to her grandson, Lord Chandos: the 5th
Earl's eldest daughter married the 5th Lord Chandos of Sudeley.
MAR
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John Brandon
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630.
There was a Lord Chandos by name of Giles Bridges in this period, but
I'm not sure that the person above would be him. From the account in
_CP_, I think _that_ Giles had not been knighted.
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
John Brandon wrote:
Giles, 3rd Lord Chandos, died in 1594, and was survived (for over 30
years) by his widow, so it is unlikely that anyone hoping to be
believed would claim to be his wife in c1630. Furthermore, the claim
being advanced by Anne Willey is on behalf of a child she allegedly had
by "Sir Giles Bridges"; presumably this alleged child was under age in
1630, hence the prosecution of the suit by his/her alleged mother.
There was a Sir Giles Brydges, first Baronet, a first cousin of the 3rd
and 4th Lords; this Giles died in 1627 and is therefore likelier to be
a candidate for the alleged husband. This doesn't however explain why
any such claim should represent a threat to the then (6th) Lord
Chandos, a minor child, who wouldn't have inherited any of the 1st
baronet's property.
Of course, Anne Willey may have been a madwoman talking rubbish.
Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630.
There was a Lord Chandos by name of Giles Bridges in this period, but
I'm not sure that the person above would be him. From the account in
_CP_, I think _that_ Giles had not been knighted.
Giles, 3rd Lord Chandos, died in 1594, and was survived (for over 30
years) by his widow, so it is unlikely that anyone hoping to be
believed would claim to be his wife in c1630. Furthermore, the claim
being advanced by Anne Willey is on behalf of a child she allegedly had
by "Sir Giles Bridges"; presumably this alleged child was under age in
1630, hence the prosecution of the suit by his/her alleged mother.
There was a Sir Giles Brydges, first Baronet, a first cousin of the 3rd
and 4th Lords; this Giles died in 1627 and is therefore likelier to be
a candidate for the alleged husband. This doesn't however explain why
any such claim should represent a threat to the then (6th) Lord
Chandos, a minor child, who wouldn't have inherited any of the 1st
baronet's property.
Of course, Anne Willey may have been a madwoman talking rubbish.
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John Brandon
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
Of course, Anne Willey may have been a madwoman talking rubbish.
Very possible. Although it seems her claim was supported by the Earl
of Holland.
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
I don't think I would read the Earl's support for Anne Willey into the
extract posted. For all we know, the Countess may have been asking for
his assistance, or advice.
It would be interesting to know more though.
extract posted. For all we know, the Countess may have been asking for
his assistance, or advice.
It would be interesting to know more though.
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John Brandon
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
But when William Stanley became 6th Earl of Derby following his brother's
death (which occurred in 1594) would not his wife Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1626)
have been called "Countess of Derby" ? And then this widow Alice Spencer could
not also call herself "Countess of Derby" could she?
Or are you suggesting that upon the death of Elizabeth de Vere, Alice Spencer
then took on the title Countess of Derby once more?
Will Johnson
Maybe Dowager Countess of Derby?
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Gjest
Re: Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]
In a message dated 9/29/05 6:41:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
<< > Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
But when William Stanley became 6th Earl of Derby following his brother's
death (which occurred in 1594) would not his wife Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1626)
have been called "Countess of Derby" ? And then this widow Alice Spencer could
not also call herself "Countess of Derby" could she?
Or are you suggesting that upon the death of Elizabeth de Vere, Alice Spencer
then took on the title Countess of Derby once more?
Will Johnson
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
<< > Representation on the part of the Countess of Derby to the Earl of
Holland respecting a suit prosecuted by one Anne Willey, sister to his
servant Mr. Anderson, who claims to be the widow of Sir Giles Bridges,
and to have had a child by him, on whose behalf she claims estates in
Wilts now held for the Countess's grandchild, Lord Chandos; about 1630.
But when William Stanley became 6th Earl of Derby following his brother's
death (which occurred in 1594) would not his wife Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1626)
have been called "Countess of Derby" ? And then this widow Alice Spencer could
not also call herself "Countess of Derby" could she?
Or are you suggesting that upon the death of Elizabeth de Vere, Alice Spencer
then took on the title Countess of Derby once more?
Will Johnson