How reliable is DNB. I was checing the file for Tyrwhit,(nee Oxenbridge) Elizabeth and I found information that doesn't agree.especially with the reference to the Elizabeth Etchingham. daughter of Thomas Etchingham Should I really rely upon DNB
Charlotsmith@prodigy.net
DNB corrections?
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Gjest
Re: DNB corrections?
In a message dated 9/24/2005 9:31:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
charlotsmith@prodigy.net writes:
How reliable is DNB. I was checing the file for Tyrwhit,(nee Oxenbridge)
Elizabeth and I found information that doesn't agree.especially with the
reference to the Elizabeth Etchingham. daughter of Thomas Etchingham Should I
really rely upon DNB
Charlotsmith@prodigy.net
Can you give us what it says, and then also what your correction is ?
Thanks
Will
charlotsmith@prodigy.net writes:
How reliable is DNB. I was checing the file for Tyrwhit,(nee Oxenbridge)
Elizabeth and I found information that doesn't agree.especially with the
reference to the Elizabeth Etchingham. daughter of Thomas Etchingham Should I
really rely upon DNB
Charlotsmith@prodigy.net
Can you give us what it says, and then also what your correction is ?
Thanks
Will
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Gjest
Re: DNB corrections?
charlotte Smith writes:
question is seconded
it gives father of Henry Carey 1st Baron Hunsdon as William Cary rather than
Henry VIII (see Anthony Hoskins in Gen Mag Vol 25 No 9 1997)
wife of Francois de la Queueille is given as Anne de Rohan rather than Anne
d'Espinay (Esme Stuart 1st Duke of Lennox) see CP I p329 footnote (a)
cheers
Simon
How reliable is DNB.
question is seconded
it gives father of Henry Carey 1st Baron Hunsdon as William Cary rather than
Henry VIII (see Anthony Hoskins in Gen Mag Vol 25 No 9 1997)
wife of Francois de la Queueille is given as Anne de Rohan rather than Anne
d'Espinay (Esme Stuart 1st Duke of Lennox) see CP I p329 footnote (a)
cheers
Simon
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Leo van de Pas
Re: DNB corrections?
see in between :
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paternity by Henry VIII. However, to be fair to DNB, _officially_ William
Cary is the father but they should have mentioned Henry VIII.
Leo
ancestors and relatives of Prince Charles, gives that the parents of Anne
are Francois Seigneur de la Queuille and his 2nd wife Anne, daughter of
Jacques d'Espinay.
BUT Burke's Peerage 1967 page 1760 Anne is daughter of Francois de la
Queuille by his second wife Anne de Rohan.
BUT ES Volume X in which the de Rohan family is recorded, in the index is
only one entry for de la Queuille--- if refers to a Jean who married Claude
de La Tour and so I agree that DNB is wrong.
Leo
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charlotte Smith writes:
How reliable is DNB.
question is seconded
it gives father of Henry Carey 1st Baron Hunsdon as William Cary rather
than Henry VIII (see Anthony Hoskins in Gen Mag Vol 25 No 9 1997)
=====I think Anthony Hoskins article is convincing and I have accepted this
paternity by Henry VIII. However, to be fair to DNB, _officially_ William
Cary is the father but they should have mentioned Henry VIII.
Leo
wife of Francois de la Queueille is given as Anne de Rohan rather than
Anne d'Espinay (Esme Stuart 1st Duke of Lennox) see CP I p329 footnote
(a)
=== I have the same as what Simon says. Gerald Paget, in his books on the
ancestors and relatives of Prince Charles, gives that the parents of Anne
are Francois Seigneur de la Queuille and his 2nd wife Anne, daughter of
Jacques d'Espinay.
BUT Burke's Peerage 1967 page 1760 Anne is daughter of Francois de la
Queuille by his second wife Anne de Rohan.
BUT ES Volume X in which the de Rohan family is recorded, in the index is
only one entry for de la Queuille--- if refers to a Jean who married Claude
de La Tour and so I agree that DNB is wrong.
Leo
cheers
Simon
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Gjest
Re: DNB corrections - d'Espinay v. Rohan
Leo van de Pas writes:
Cahiers de Saint Louis give
page 767 Anne d'Espinay = Francois sgr de la Qeueille
fils de Charles et d'Anne de Bellenave
(I have seen others giving her as Anne de Ventadour)
page 765 Anne is daughter of
Jacques d'Espinay sgr d'Usse d 1520
and Jeanne de Couraudin, Dame de Moncontour
pages 763/4 Jacques is son of
Beatrice de Montauban married 13.09.1435
Richard sgr d'Espinay son of Robert II et de Marguerite de la Courbe
page 763 Beatrice is daughter of Bonne Visconti
this now hits a well known line
cheers
Simon
Burke's Peerage 1967 page 1760 Anne is daughter of Francois de la
Queuille by his second wife Anne de Rohan.
BUT ES Volume X in which the de Rohan family is recorded, in the index is
only one entry for de la Queuille--- if refers to a Jean who married
Claude de La Tour and so I agree that DNB is wrong.
Leo
To go further on this
Cahiers de Saint Louis give
page 767 Anne d'Espinay = Francois sgr de la Qeueille
fils de Charles et d'Anne de Bellenave
(I have seen others giving her as Anne de Ventadour)
page 765 Anne is daughter of
Jacques d'Espinay sgr d'Usse d 1520
and Jeanne de Couraudin, Dame de Moncontour
pages 763/4 Jacques is son of
Beatrice de Montauban married 13.09.1435
Richard sgr d'Espinay son of Robert II et de Marguerite de la Courbe
page 763 Beatrice is daughter of Bonne Visconti
this now hits a well known line
cheers
Simon
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Leo van de Pas
Re: DNB corrections - d'Espinay v. Rohan
Many thanks for this. For me it is so handy to record all sources for a
person as this makes it possible to make comparisons. This added line is for
me important as Anne de la Queuille is an ancestor of
Gateway ancestors Lady Christina Stewart and Charles Stirling,
as well as
Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson, Camilla Shand, the Duke of Gloucester,
Howard Dean III, Sir Winston Churchill and Albert, Prince of Monaco.
Many thanks
Leo
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person as this makes it possible to make comparisons. This added line is for
me important as Anne de la Queuille is an ancestor of
Gateway ancestors Lady Christina Stewart and Charles Stirling,
as well as
Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson, Camilla Shand, the Duke of Gloucester,
Howard Dean III, Sir Winston Churchill and Albert, Prince of Monaco.
Many thanks
Leo
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To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: DNB corrections - d'Espinay v. Rohan
Leo van de Pas writes:
Burke's Peerage 1967 page 1760 Anne is daughter of Francois de la
Queuille by his second wife Anne de Rohan. BUT ES Volume X in which the
de Rohan family is recorded, in the index is only one entry for de la
Queuille--- if refers to a Jean who married Claude de La Tour and so I
agree that DNB is wrong.
Leo
To go further on this
Cahiers de Saint Louis give
page 767 Anne d'Espinay = Francois sgr de la Qeueille
fils de Charles et d'Anne de Bellenave
(I have seen others giving her as Anne de Ventadour)
page 765 Anne is daughter of
Jacques d'Espinay sgr d'Usse d 1520
and Jeanne de Couraudin, Dame de Moncontour
pages 763/4 Jacques is son of
Beatrice de Montauban married 13.09.1435
Richard sgr d'Espinay son of Robert II et de Marguerite de la Courbe
page 763 Beatrice is daughter of Bonne Visconti
this now hits a well known line
cheers
Simon