William Echyngham date change

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charlotte Smith

William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 21 sep 2005 06:42:01

Tony Ingham gave a report on the brass and slab for Wm Echyngham in the Etchingham church and he said the following.


Near it is the headless figure of another warrior ; inscription – "De
terre fui fel et fourme et enterre su retouru William de Echingham,
estoie, nome dieu de maline eler pitee. Et vous qi par ici pur l'alme
de moy pur dieu priez : Qi de Janviere le XVIII. de cy passai lau me
seignour mill. trois cent quat VIII. R. Sept. come dieu volant ento my
noet."

/Arms/. ECHYNGHAM /impaling /SHOYSWELL.

This entry shows that William de Echyngham, husband of . . . Shoyswell,

died on 18 Jan 1348.

According to a record from the book "Sussex Monumental Basses page 167, it reads
seignour mill trois Centz quat(re) vintz sept come dieu volait ento(ur) my moet "
this is Norman French and it translates out to 1388 not 1348 according to the book


Charlotsmith@prodigy.net

Gjest

Re: William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 sep 2005 07:18:46

Actually it translates as such as 1387, but equates to what we would
call 1388 (or perhaps 1387/8) because it is a January date.

Gjest

Re: William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 sep 2005 12:21:19

Essentially, of course, it's the French equivalent of our old
"four-score".

Tony Ingham

Re: William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av Tony Ingham » 21 sep 2005 13:03:01

I've seen this "quatre vingt" before in a Poyntz will. It's an
interesting counting concept.

I notice quatre-vingt = huitante = octante & quatre-vingt-dix = nonante.
These vary according to the various cantons in France.

Tony Ingham

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:

Actually it translates as such as 1387, but equates to what we would
call 1388 (or perhaps 1387/8) because it is a January date.




Gary Smith

Re: William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av Gary Smith » 22 sep 2005 04:46:33

It clearly says, to me, mille (one thousand) trois cent (three hundred)
quatre vingt (eighty ) sept (seven ). What's your secret that evades me
here, please?


"charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:20050921044037.57894.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com...
Tony Ingham gave a report on the brass and slab for Wm Echyngham in the
Etchingham church and he said the following.


Near it is the headless figure of another warrior ; inscription - "De
terre fui fel et fourme et enterre su retouru William de Echingham,
estoie, nome dieu de maline eler pitee. Et vous qi par ici pur l'alme
de moy pur dieu priez : Qi de Janviere le XVIII. de cy passai lau me
seignour mill. trois cent quat VIII. R. Sept. come dieu volant ento my
noet."

/Arms/. ECHYNGHAM /impaling /SHOYSWELL.

This entry shows that William de Echyngham, husband of . . . Shoyswell,
died on 18 Jan 1348.

According to a record from the book "Sussex Monumental Basses page 167,
it reads
seignour mill trois Centz quat(re) vintz sept come dieu volait ento(ur)
my moet "
this is Norman French and it translates out to 1388 not 1348
according to the book


Charlotsmith@prodigy.net

Gjest

Re: William Echyngham date change

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 sep 2005 21:36:02

In a message dated 9/20/05 9:41:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
charlotsmith@prodigy.net writes:

<< Qi de Janviere le XVIII. de cy passai lau me
seignour mill. trois cent quat VIII. R. Sept. come dieu volant ento my
noet."

/Arms/. ECHYNGHAM /impaling /SHOYSWELL.

This entry shows that William de Echyngham, husband of . . . Shoyswell,

died on 18 Jan 1348.

According to a record from the book "Sussex Monumental Basses page 167, it
reads
seignour mill trois Centz quat(re) vintz sept come dieu volait ento(ur) my
moet "
this is Norman French and it translates out to 1388 not 1348 according
to the book >>

Part of the confusion here is that, it wouldn't be obvious to someone not
familiar with it that "quat VIII" means "quat(re) vingt" ("four - twenty" e.g.
"four times twenty" or "four-score").

However another part of the confusion is that one person here is saying
"William de Echyngham" is who married a "Shoyswell".
Charlotte however in a private email informs me that it was "JAMES" de
Echyngham who married the Shoyswell.

Will Johnson

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