Descent from Rohese de Boulogne to Simon Milborne

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Clagett, Brice

Descent from Rohese de Boulogne to Simon Milborne

Legg inn av Clagett, Brice » 21 sep 2005 00:13:01

The only clues we seem to have for the ancestry of Piers Milborne,
Simon's grandfather, are the statements in _A Genealogical
Account of the Family of Bisshop or Bishop_ (1977) pp. 38-39,
said to be taken from a Harl. Soc. ms., that: "The Milbournes
came out of Lincolnsh. King Edward V. and Sir [sic] Peers Mil-
bourrne descended from two sisters. (The Milbournes originally
came from Milbourne Port, in the Co. Somerset.) Sir Peers was
one of Ld Beauchamp's heirs, and Chancellor of the Queen of
England . . .."

This suggests a connection of the Milbornes to the Lords Beau-
champ of Somerset which, while clearly garbled, may have some
grain of truth to it. Piers Milborne was certainly not an heir to
that title, but if his mother was a sister of Joan de Beauchamp
(fl. 1381, d. by 1388) , wife of Thomas Bittlesgate and a great-
great grandmother of Edward V, then the "two sisters" part of
the above assertions would be correct. Joan was a daughter of
Sir John de Beauchamp, of Lillesdon in North Curry, Somerset,
who was a third cousin of John de Beauchamp, 2d Lord Beau-
champ of Somerset. See Charles M. Hansen and Neil D.
Thompson, "The Wydevills' Quartering for Beauchamp," _The
Coat of Arms_ NS 9:178 (1992), and Charles M. Hansen, "Mary
Isaac's descent from the Beucahmps: the Correct Lineage,"
NEHGS vol. 147.

I have somewhere seen it stated that Piers Milborne's mother
was Isolt de Beauchamp, but cannot presently identify my
source for that.

Gjest

Re: Descent from Rohese de Boulogne to Simon Milborne

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 sep 2005 00:13:02

Good to have you on the case, Brice!

I posted two further potential clues on 22 August under a related
thread, which I take the liberty of copying here:

(1)

"Licence for £20 paid to the king by John de Eylesford the younger,
knight, for the said John and Margaret his wife to enfeoff Simon de
Melburn, clerk, Robert de Billesdon, clerk, Peter de Melburn and Thomas
Danseye of the manors of Boneye, co Nottingham, and Cryche, co Derby,
and the hundred of Frameland, Co Leicester, held in chief, and for the
feoffees, after seisin had, to re-enfeoff the said John and Margaret of
the premises" [Calendar of Patent Rolls, 12 February 1394]

Presumably "Peter de Melburn" and "Thomas Danseye" were the respective
husbands of Elizabeth and Katherine Eylesford, both said to be
daughters of "Sir John Eylesford" (I believe of Sir John Eylesford the
younger, by a first marriage). This document links Piers Milbourne
with a Simon Milborne, clerk; as we know, the eldest son of Piers' son
John was named Simon, probably a family name? These two manors
belonged to the family of Sir John's second wife, Margaret.

(2)

Noting the conjunction in 1394 of Simon de Milborne, clerk, and Peter
de Milborne, in connection with property in Derbyshire, I presume that
the following A2A record is relevant:

"Title deeds etc: 1382 Simon de Melburn, parson of Ceston; witnesses:
John Foucher, John Fraunceys, Peter de Melburn's [man] William Tillot,
John Warner of Melburn" [Derbyshire Record Office: Every Family of
Eggington: D5236]

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