Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 96, footnote d (sub Ros) correctly states
that Sir Robert de Roos (died 1285), of Helmsley, Yorkshire, and his
wife, Isabel d'Aubeney, had a younger son named Robert. However, no
further particulars are given regarding the younger Robert de Roos'
subsequent history.
The charters below from the A2A Catalogue prove that the younger Robert
de Roos is the man of that name who subsequently held the manor of
Wyville, Lincolnshire. My file notes show that he and his wife,
Erneburge, were elsewhere enfeoffed with a third interest in the manor
of Gedney, Lincolnshire, by Simon le Constable, one of the co-heirs of
Fulk d'Oyry, of Gedney. This cadet branch of the Roos family is
better known as Roos of Gedney.
Research indicates that the manor of Wyville, Lincolshire subsequently
passed to Sir Robert de Roos' descendant and heiress, Eleanor Roos,
wife of John Paulet, Esq., which couple were in the process of selling
the manor in 1467 [Lincolnshire Archives: 1 Pearson-Gregory,
Reference: 1 PG/1/34, warrant or letter of attorney dated 1467 from
John Poulet and Alyanor Poulet to William Est instructing him to sell
on their behalf their manor of Hungerton and Wyville, Lincolnshire and
their other lands in Hungerton and Wyville and Bottesford, for as much
as he can get, but not for less than £100 (abstract of document
available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
One other minor correction: In the Complete Peerage's account of Sir
Robert de Roos, Sr. (died 1285) (husband of Isabel d'Aubeney), it is
stated that he was "of Belvoir." [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11
(1949): 95, line ]). No mention is made of Helmsley. However, in the
first charter copied below, Sir Robert de Roos, Sr., is specifically
called "of Hamlake" [i.e., of Helmsley] by his son, not of Belvoir.
So, it would appear Helmsley was his chief seat, not Belvoir.
For further particulars of the Roos family of Helmsley, Yorkshire, and
Wyville, and Gedney, Lincolnshire, please see my book, Magna Carta
Ancestry (2005).
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Lincolnshire Archives: 1 Pearson-Gregory
Charter #1:
Reference: 1 PG/1/4
Gift and confirmation
Creation dates: Undated, late 13th c
Physical characteristics: Seal: missing. Fragmentary.
Scope and Content
From John Dru, son of William Dru of Wiwell [Wyville], to Sir Robert de
Ros, kt., son of Sir Robert de Ros of Hamlake, of one bovate of land
with appurtenances containing 10 acres of land in the east field and 10
acres of land in the west field in divers pieces of which one piece
lies on le Hegefurlong between the land of Robert Cocus on each side,
and abuts on the land of Geoffrey de la Dale towards the west and on
the land of the said John Dru towards the east. And one piece lies in
Heverthirne against the land of the said Sir Robert de Ros on the east
and abuts on the land of the parson of Wiwelle towards the north and on
the land of the said John Dru towards the south. and one piece lies in
le Breche between the land of Robert Cocus and the land of Nalle at the
spring, and abuts on the land of Robert le Masien towards the east. And
one piece lies in le West dale against the way which leads to Salteby
[Saltby, Leics.], and abuts on the land of the said Sir Robert de Ros
towards the east, and on the land of the said John Dru towards the
west. And one piece lies between two boundary-marks [divisas] against
le []ketwong, between the land of the said Sir Robert de Ros and the
land called Normantonland. And one piece lies on le Hegefurlong between
the land of the said Sir Robert de Ros and the land of Geoffrey de la
Dale, and abuts on the spinney towards the east. And one piece lies in
le Est Breche between the land of Peter le Masien and the land of the
grange of Stoke, and abuts on the moor of Stoke towards the south and
on the land of the said John Dru towards the north. And one piece lies
in Thikthirne between the land of Robert Cocus and the land of Nicholas
le Carter and abuts on the land of Alan Otis and Peter le Masien
towards the west, and on the land of Robert Cocus and Roger Riche
towards the east. And one piece lies in le Hegefurlong between the land
of the parson of Wiwell and the land of Geoffrey de la Dale and abuts
on the spinney towards the west. And one piece lies in le Hegefurlong
between the land of Robert le Masien and the land of Ralph son of
Alexander Halleman, and abuts on the spinney towards the west. And one
piece lies in Thikthirne between the land of the parson of Wiwell on
each side and abuts on the land of Robert le Masien towards the east.
And one piece lies between the land of Ralph son of Alexander Halleman
and le beckes which runs into [tendit] the fishpond, and abuts on the
land of Robert Cocus towards the west. And two pieces lie on each side
of Hungerton beckes. And one piece lies in le Hegefurlong between the
land of Geoffrey de la Dale and the land of Robert Cocus, and abuts on
the spinney towards the west. And one piece in the same place between
the land of Robert Cocus and that of Robert le Masien. And one piece
lies in le Hegefurlong between the land of Peter le Masien and the land
of Nicholas le Carter, and abuts on the spinney towards the west. And
also gift of all the meadow which he has in Thirnedale, in the fields
of Denton and Herloston [Harlaxton].
Witnesses: Dom. Saer de Huntingfeld, Dom. Philip de Pantona, knights,
Dom. Thomas de Seinlou, John de Nevile of Stoke, Robert de Denton,
Richard Sprackely de Pantona, Robert Cocus de Wiwell, Robert son of
Peter de Hungerton, Walter clerk of Wiwell and others.
Charter #2:
Reference: 1 PG/1/9
Gift and confirmation.
Creation dates: [19 Jan., 1307]
Physical characteristics: Seal: missing: tag.
Scope and Content
Symon son of Symon de Denton to Dom. Robert de Ros, lord of Wyvelle
[Wyville], of one rood of meadow in the meadow called Holdinges against
Denton near the meadow of the said Dom. Robert on the east, and
abutting on the meadow of Roger Frankeleyn on the south.
Consideration: 6s. 2d. sterling.
Witnesses: William son of Alan de Denton, Peter de Templo of the same,
Robert son of Alan of the same, Robert son of Peter de Hungyrton,
Robert called Cook of Wywel, [ ], clerk, of Denton.
Wywelle, Thursday before the Feast of SS. Fabian and Sebastian, 35 Edw.