Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
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Gjest
Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
PRO A2A Northamptonshire Record Office: Fitzwilliam (Milton) Charter/2168(a)
Creation dates 31 May, 1588 is the Will of Robert Browne, of Peykirke,
Northamptonshire, gent. and turns out to be the Robert Browne who was later to be
created 1st Bt of Walcott. He would still have been quite young when he
made this Will, which I imagine he made because of the perceved dangers of his
service in Ireland. Either he never went, or he had returned by 1602 when he
is again mentioned in the A2A charters, and lived on until 1623. In this will
he mentions Winifred wife of William FitzWilliam (both refered to as
cousins) and it was no doubt in connection with William FitzWilliam's father Sir
William FitzWilliam who was Ld deputy of Ireland, that led to Robert's intended
service there. I suspect that this family were connected to the Browne
family of co Mayo, Ireland. (later barons Kilmaine etc)
I have tried, in vain, to figure out why the FitzWilliams were called
cousins. The summary of Robert's Will, with some of my notes, is as follows:
Will dated 31 May 1588 of Robert Browne of Peakirk; N'hants, to travel to
Ireland on her majastie’s service; mamorial to be placed in Barnack Church
where my father is buried; Held lease of p’sonage in Peakirk; Mother Margaret
wife of Francis Ashby; Brother William Browne; Winifred wife of William
FitzWilliam of Dostrope both described as cousin, (1) Goddaughter Margaret Duderne?
(under age); Niece Mary Whetston (under age) (2) Nephew (name illegible,
under age) son of Francis Westson of Gray’s Inn (3) Nephew Michael (under age)
son of Michael Pykering; Also mentioned are: Amy wife of Medcaust? of Eson?;
Agnes Fletcher, mother’s servant; my dry nurse (name illegible); Roger
Browning, mother’s servant; Poor of Peakirk
Seal [not visable on my copy, but N’hants Reocrds Office describe it as a
lion passant]
(1) I can't see this relationship. Winifred was dau of Rt Hon Sir Walter
Mildmay, chancellor of the Exchequer by Mary sister of Francis Walsingham see
Visitation of Essex p 250 (Milmay); Robert Browne's mother Margaret was dau
of Philip Bernard by either Anne dau of Carew or Alice dau of Rd Bishop, see
Suffolk visitation p 174. From CP and Burke's, Wm FitzWilliam was the son of
Sir Wm FitzWm of Milton by Ann dau of Wm Sydney & aunt of 1st Er Leicester,
Sir Wm FitzWm’s mother was Anne dau of Sir Richard Shapcote
(2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). Isssue
of m1: Dorothy; Mary; Anne; Bridgett; Barnard W of W m Margaret d of above
Richard Bellingham of New Tymber, Sussex (issue given) and Callibut W, slain
o/seas
(3) Presumably connected to aforesaid Robert Whestone, but not in Visitations
Adrian
Creation dates 31 May, 1588 is the Will of Robert Browne, of Peykirke,
Northamptonshire, gent. and turns out to be the Robert Browne who was later to be
created 1st Bt of Walcott. He would still have been quite young when he
made this Will, which I imagine he made because of the perceved dangers of his
service in Ireland. Either he never went, or he had returned by 1602 when he
is again mentioned in the A2A charters, and lived on until 1623. In this will
he mentions Winifred wife of William FitzWilliam (both refered to as
cousins) and it was no doubt in connection with William FitzWilliam's father Sir
William FitzWilliam who was Ld deputy of Ireland, that led to Robert's intended
service there. I suspect that this family were connected to the Browne
family of co Mayo, Ireland. (later barons Kilmaine etc)
I have tried, in vain, to figure out why the FitzWilliams were called
cousins. The summary of Robert's Will, with some of my notes, is as follows:
Will dated 31 May 1588 of Robert Browne of Peakirk; N'hants, to travel to
Ireland on her majastie’s service; mamorial to be placed in Barnack Church
where my father is buried; Held lease of p’sonage in Peakirk; Mother Margaret
wife of Francis Ashby; Brother William Browne; Winifred wife of William
FitzWilliam of Dostrope both described as cousin, (1) Goddaughter Margaret Duderne?
(under age); Niece Mary Whetston (under age) (2) Nephew (name illegible,
under age) son of Francis Westson of Gray’s Inn (3) Nephew Michael (under age)
son of Michael Pykering; Also mentioned are: Amy wife of Medcaust? of Eson?;
Agnes Fletcher, mother’s servant; my dry nurse (name illegible); Roger
Browning, mother’s servant; Poor of Peakirk
Seal [not visable on my copy, but N’hants Reocrds Office describe it as a
lion passant]
(1) I can't see this relationship. Winifred was dau of Rt Hon Sir Walter
Mildmay, chancellor of the Exchequer by Mary sister of Francis Walsingham see
Visitation of Essex p 250 (Milmay); Robert Browne's mother Margaret was dau
of Philip Bernard by either Anne dau of Carew or Alice dau of Rd Bishop, see
Suffolk visitation p 174. From CP and Burke's, Wm FitzWilliam was the son of
Sir Wm FitzWm of Milton by Ann dau of Wm Sydney & aunt of 1st Er Leicester,
Sir Wm FitzWm’s mother was Anne dau of Sir Richard Shapcote
(2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). Isssue
of m1: Dorothy; Mary; Anne; Bridgett; Barnard W of W m Margaret d of above
Richard Bellingham of New Tymber, Sussex (issue given) and Callibut W, slain
o/seas
(3) Presumably connected to aforesaid Robert Whestone, but not in Visitations
Adrian
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/16/05 9:03:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< (2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir
Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of
Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). >>
Which Marquis of Wincester are you referring to here ?
You say "Giles Paulet, fourth son of the Marquis ...." but there are no dates
to give us a clue as to which one.
Thanks
Will Johnson
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< (2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir
Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of
Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). >>
Which Marquis of Wincester are you referring to here ?
You say "Giles Paulet, fourth son of the Marquis ...." but there are no dates
to give us a clue as to which one.
Thanks
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
It is not clear from the visitation. My estimate would be that he was the
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone
I wrote;
<< (2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir
Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of
Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). >>
Will Johnson asked;
Which Marquis of Wincester are you referring to here ?
You say "Giles Paulet, fourth son of the Marquis ...." but there are no
dates
to give us a clue as to which one.
Thanks
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone
I wrote;
<< (2) Presumably a decedent of Robert Browne's mother's first marriage to
Robert Whetstone, who, from Vis of Essex I p 520 and II p 617 left Sir
Bernard W
of Woodhall, Essex who m1 Elizabeth d&ch of John Callibutt of Castle Acre,
Nfk (issue), m2 Anne Paulet wdw of Ld Giles Paulet, 4th s of Mq of
Winchester
(no issue shown), m3 Mary wdw of Richard Bellingham (no issue shown). >>
Will Johnson asked;
Which Marquis of Wincester are you referring to here ?
You say "Giles Paulet, fourth son of the Marquis ...." but there are no
dates
to give us a clue as to which one.
Thanks
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/17/05 6:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< It is not clear from the visitation. My estimate would be that he was
the
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq
had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone >>
We know that the second Marquis married Elizabeth Willoughby and by her had
at least three children: William, George and Mary. (see DNB "Paulet, George")
I do not at present have any details on when Elizabeth was living or died,
other than she is stated "eldest daughter" on Robert, [2nd] Lord Willoughby and
his wife Dorothy Grey [genealogics]
AND that William their son, later 3rd Marquis was b abt 1532.
Based on the below, I would suggest Egidius was a son of the 1st Marquis.
Here is the information on the Trapps / Paulet marriage, or at least one of
them.
Will Johnson
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Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office: Leigh of Stoneleigh [DR 18/10 -
DR 18/16]
LEIGH OF STONELEIGH
Catalogue Ref. DR 18
Creator(s): Leigh family of Stoneleigh Abbey, Warwickshire
Deeds relating to the Warwickshire estates of the Leighs
Deeds and papers relating to the Priory Lordship of Maxstoke, 1364-1840 with
other deeds and papers relating to estates of the Paulet family outside
Warwickshire, 1672-1737 - ref. DR 18/10/86
[from Administrative History] Maxstoke came into the de Clinton family by
marriage in the 1290s. In 1331 William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon established
a chantry there, subsequently transferring the endowment to found a house of
Augustinian canons. In 1347 John de Clinton gave the manor house 'within the
park' to the canons, receiving from them the manor of Shustoke in exchange.
From this point Maxstoke divides into two lordships: the Castle and the Priory.
The castle lordship passed through various hands until 1599 intul it came into
the Dilke family with whose descendants it remains. The priory lordship was
granted in 1538 to Charles, Duke of Suffolk who in 1540 sold it to Robert Trapps
of London. Nicholas Trapps died in 1544 leaving two daughters, one of whom
married Giles Paulet, a son of the marquess of Winchester. The Paulets received
Maxstoke in the subsequent partition of the estates and continued to hold it
until 1706 when it passed to the Leighs as part of the marriage settlement of
Mary Holbech, great-granddaughter of William Paulet
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< It is not clear from the visitation. My estimate would be that he was
the
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq
had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone >>
We know that the second Marquis married Elizabeth Willoughby and by her had
at least three children: William, George and Mary. (see DNB "Paulet, George")
I do not at present have any details on when Elizabeth was living or died,
other than she is stated "eldest daughter" on Robert, [2nd] Lord Willoughby and
his wife Dorothy Grey [genealogics]
AND that William their son, later 3rd Marquis was b abt 1532.
Based on the below, I would suggest Egidius was a son of the 1st Marquis.
Here is the information on the Trapps / Paulet marriage, or at least one of
them.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------
Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office: Leigh of Stoneleigh [DR 18/10 -
DR 18/16]
LEIGH OF STONELEIGH
Catalogue Ref. DR 18
Creator(s): Leigh family of Stoneleigh Abbey, Warwickshire
Deeds relating to the Warwickshire estates of the Leighs
Deeds and papers relating to the Priory Lordship of Maxstoke, 1364-1840 with
other deeds and papers relating to estates of the Paulet family outside
Warwickshire, 1672-1737 - ref. DR 18/10/86
[from Administrative History] Maxstoke came into the de Clinton family by
marriage in the 1290s. In 1331 William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon established
a chantry there, subsequently transferring the endowment to found a house of
Augustinian canons. In 1347 John de Clinton gave the manor house 'within the
park' to the canons, receiving from them the manor of Shustoke in exchange.
From this point Maxstoke divides into two lordships: the Castle and the Priory.
The castle lordship passed through various hands until 1599 intul it came into
the Dilke family with whose descendants it remains. The priory lordship was
granted in 1538 to Charles, Duke of Suffolk who in 1540 sold it to Robert Trapps
of London. Nicholas Trapps died in 1544 leaving two daughters, one of whom
married Giles Paulet, a son of the marquess of Winchester. The Paulets received
Maxstoke in the subsequent partition of the estates and continued to hold it
until 1706 when it passed to the Leighs as part of the marriage settlement of
Mary Holbech, great-granddaughter of William Paulet
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Will,
Thanks for your post
As it happens the other Trappe daughter, Alice m c1530 a Browne - Henry
Browne of Rodwinter, Essex. Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an
Ann Browne dau of Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. But neither
of these Browne families were closely related to Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin.
Best regards,
Adrian
In a message dated 9/17/05 6:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< It is not clear from the visitation. My estimate would be that he was
the
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq
had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone >>
In a message dated 19/09/2005 23:49:06 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
replied:
We know that the second Marquis married Elizabeth Willoughby and by her had
at least three children: William, George and Mary. (see DNB "Paulet,
George")
I do not at present have any details on when Elizabeth was living or died,
other than she is stated "eldest daughter" on Robert, [2nd] Lord Willoughby
and
his wife Dorothy Grey [genealogics]
AND that William their son, later 3rd Marquis was b abt 1532.
Based on the below, I would suggest Egidius was a son of the 1st Marquis.
Here is the information on the Trapps / Paulet marriage, or at least one of
them.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------
Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office: Leigh of Stoneleigh [DR 18/10 -
DR 18/16]
LEIGH OF STONELEIGH
Catalogue Ref. DR 18
Creator(s): Leigh family of Stoneleigh Abbey, Warwickshire
Deeds relating to the Warwickshire estates of the Leighs
Deeds and papers relating to the Priory Lordship of Maxstoke, 1364-1840 with
other deeds and papers relating to estates of the Paulet family outside
Warwickshire, 1672-1737 - ref. DR 18/10/86
[from Administrative History] Maxstoke came into the de Clinton family by
marriage in the 1290s. In 1331 William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon
established
a chantry there, subsequently transferring the endowment to found a house of
Augustinian canons. In 1347 John de Clinton gave the manor house 'within the
park' to the canons, receiving from them the manor of Shustoke in exchange.
From this point Maxstoke divides into two lordships: the Castle and the
Priory.
The castle lordship passed through various hands until 1599 intul it came
into
the Dilke family with whose descendants it remains. The priory lordship was
granted in 1538 to Charles, Duke of Suffolk who in 1540 sold it to Robert
Trapps
of London. Nicholas Trapps died in 1544 leaving two daughters, one of whom
married Giles Paulet, a son of the marquess of Winchester. The Paulets
received
Maxstoke in the subsequent partition of the estates and continued to hold it
until 1706 when it passed to the Leighs as part of the marriage settlement
of
Mary Holbech, great-granddaughter of William Paulet
Thanks for your post
As it happens the other Trappe daughter, Alice m c1530 a Browne - Henry
Browne of Rodwinter, Essex. Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an
Ann Browne dau of Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. But neither
of these Browne families were closely related to Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin.
Best regards,
Adrian
In a message dated 9/17/05 6:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< It is not clear from the visitation. My estimate would be that he was
the
2nd Marquis, altough a previous message to Gen-Med states that the 2nd Mq
had
a brother Egidius or Giles who m a Mary Trappes - perhaps this Giles had a
subsequent, the Anne who m Sir Bernard Whetstone >>
In a message dated 19/09/2005 23:49:06 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
replied:
We know that the second Marquis married Elizabeth Willoughby and by her had
at least three children: William, George and Mary. (see DNB "Paulet,
George")
I do not at present have any details on when Elizabeth was living or died,
other than she is stated "eldest daughter" on Robert, [2nd] Lord Willoughby
and
his wife Dorothy Grey [genealogics]
AND that William their son, later 3rd Marquis was b abt 1532.
Based on the below, I would suggest Egidius was a son of the 1st Marquis.
Here is the information on the Trapps / Paulet marriage, or at least one of
them.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------
Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office: Leigh of Stoneleigh [DR 18/10 -
DR 18/16]
LEIGH OF STONELEIGH
Catalogue Ref. DR 18
Creator(s): Leigh family of Stoneleigh Abbey, Warwickshire
Deeds relating to the Warwickshire estates of the Leighs
Deeds and papers relating to the Priory Lordship of Maxstoke, 1364-1840 with
other deeds and papers relating to estates of the Paulet family outside
Warwickshire, 1672-1737 - ref. DR 18/10/86
[from Administrative History] Maxstoke came into the de Clinton family by
marriage in the 1290s. In 1331 William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon
established
a chantry there, subsequently transferring the endowment to found a house of
Augustinian canons. In 1347 John de Clinton gave the manor house 'within the
park' to the canons, receiving from them the manor of Shustoke in exchange.
From this point Maxstoke divides into two lordships: the Castle and the
Priory.
The castle lordship passed through various hands until 1599 intul it came
into
the Dilke family with whose descendants it remains. The priory lordship was
granted in 1538 to Charles, Duke of Suffolk who in 1540 sold it to Robert
Trapps
of London. Nicholas Trapps died in 1544 leaving two daughters, one of whom
married Giles Paulet, a son of the marquess of Winchester. The Paulets
received
Maxstoke in the subsequent partition of the estates and continued to hold it
until 1706 when it passed to the Leighs as part of the marriage settlement
of
Mary Holbech, great-granddaughter of William Paulet
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an Ann Browne dau of
Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. >>
Do you mean Charles Brandon the Duke of Suffolk who d 22 Aug 1545 ?
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<But neither of these Browne families were closely related to Robert
Browne 1st Bart of Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called
William FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
You should add "as far as we know". My research I've done shows there are
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
Will Johnson
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an Ann Browne dau of
Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. >>
Do you mean Charles Brandon the Duke of Suffolk who d 22 Aug 1545 ?
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<But neither of these Browne families were closely related to Robert
Browne 1st Bart of Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called
William FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
You should add "as far as we know". My research I've done shows there are
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
Here is an example of a document in A2A where FitzWilliam and Browne occur
together in such a way to indicate a possible relationship
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/9 - date: 4 Mar 1530
[from Scope and Content] By WILLIAM HAMOND of Guldeford to ANTHONY
BROWNE, knt. and others (as in previous deed, No. SAS-BA/8) - for a sum of
money paid by William Fitzwilliam, knt. Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster - of
a curtilage lying next the Almshouse of the said Chancellor between the same
house on the West and a lane there called Freern Lane, N., and land and a barn
of Daniel Mugie, E. and the garden or croft of land of the said William
Hamond, S. (parish not named, but see the next document) To hold the premises to the
said Anthony Browne and others to the use of the said Chancellor his heirs
and assigns for ever
Will Johnson
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
Here is an example of a document in A2A where FitzWilliam and Browne occur
together in such a way to indicate a possible relationship
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/9 - date: 4 Mar 1530
[from Scope and Content] By WILLIAM HAMOND of Guldeford to ANTHONY
BROWNE, knt. and others (as in previous deed, No. SAS-BA/8) - for a sum of
money paid by William Fitzwilliam, knt. Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster - of
a curtilage lying next the Almshouse of the said Chancellor between the same
house on the West and a lane there called Freern Lane, N., and land and a barn
of Daniel Mugie, E. and the garden or croft of land of the said William
Hamond, S. (parish not named, but see the next document) To hold the premises to the
said Anthony Browne and others to the use of the said Chancellor his heirs
and assigns for ever
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Further on this line there is some sort of error on Sir Anthony Browne, K.G.
I have sources on his death of http://www.genealogics.org, http://www.tudorplace.com and
Living Descendents of Blood Royal, Vol 2, "Butt", pg 133-6
However from one of these at least, I have that specific date as 6 May 1548
at Byfleet, Sussex. This cannot be correct because below I present a document
showing his will being Probate already by 22 Apr 1547.
It is obvious that this is the same Anthony as he is passing his Garter
collar to his son.
Comments welcome
Will Johnson
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FILE - Probate of the Will of ANTHONYE BROWNE, knt. and Master of the kyngis
horses - ref. SAS-BA/19 - date: 22 Apr 1547
[from Scope and Content] To son Sir Anthony Browne, testator's
collar of the Order of the Garter, with all householf stuff, plate, money &c.,
debts cattele, leases, wardships and all other things appertaining to 'my body',
the furnishing of any of testator's houses of Battell, Cowdrye or Byflet not
already bequeathed, at 21 years
[from Scope and Content] Settlement of all manors on son Sir Anthony
Browne in tail male, with remainders over to other sons
I have sources on his death of http://www.genealogics.org, http://www.tudorplace.com and
Living Descendents of Blood Royal, Vol 2, "Butt", pg 133-6
However from one of these at least, I have that specific date as 6 May 1548
at Byfleet, Sussex. This cannot be correct because below I present a document
showing his will being Probate already by 22 Apr 1547.
It is obvious that this is the same Anthony as he is passing his Garter
collar to his son.
Comments welcome
Will Johnson
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FILE - Probate of the Will of ANTHONYE BROWNE, knt. and Master of the kyngis
horses - ref. SAS-BA/19 - date: 22 Apr 1547
[from Scope and Content] To son Sir Anthony Browne, testator's
collar of the Order of the Garter, with all householf stuff, plate, money &c.,
debts cattele, leases, wardships and all other things appertaining to 'my body',
the furnishing of any of testator's houses of Battell, Cowdrye or Byflet not
already bequeathed, at 21 years
[from Scope and Content] Settlement of all manors on son Sir Anthony
Browne in tail male, with remainders over to other sons
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Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Will
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<<<
Yes and the Anthony Browne (-1506 Calais, Will of 25 Sep 1505 pr 19 Nov
1606) by his first wife probably Eleanor dau of Robert Ughtred. This Sir Anthony
was grandfather of the 1st Viscount Montague
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
<<<<
I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 00:26:16 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an Ann Browne dau of
Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. >>
Do you mean Charles Brandon the Duke of Suffolk who d 22 Aug 1545 ?
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<But neither of these Browne families were closely related to Robert
Browne 1st Bart of Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert
called
William FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
You should add "as far as we know". My research I've done shows there are
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
Will Johnson
Do you mean Charles Brandon the Duke of Suffolk who d 22 Aug 1545 ?
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<<<
Yes and the Anthony Browne (-1506 Calais, Will of 25 Sep 1505 pr 19 Nov
1606) by his first wife probably Eleanor dau of Robert Ughtred. This Sir Anthony
was grandfather of the 1st Viscount Montague
You should add "as far as we know". My research I've done shows there are
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
<<<<
I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 00:26:16 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Also one of Charles Brandon's marriages was to an Ann Browne dau of
Anthony Browne, ancestor of Viscounts Montague. >>
Do you mean Charles Brandon the Duke of Suffolk who d 22 Aug 1545 ?
If not, can you specify more about which Charles Brandon and which Anthony
Browne? I have a few of each, but no wife/daughter Ann.
<<But neither of these Browne families were closely related to Robert
Browne 1st Bart of Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert
called
William FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
You should add "as far as we know". My research I've done shows there are
still hidden clues within these Browne families. I'm not at all convinced
they've been fully fleshed.
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Will,
I've not checked this (as its bed time) except this is almost certainly the
son of the Sir Anthony of my last post and FitzWilliam (later earl of
Southampton) his half brother. This is a different family to the Milton
FitzWilliams and has previously discussed on Gen_med, or if connected not for quite a
few generations.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 00:33:01 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
Here is an example of a document in A2A where FitzWilliam and Browne occur
together in such a way to indicate a possible relationship
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/9 - date: 4 Mar 1530
[from Scope and Content] By WILLIAM HAMOND of Guldeford to ANTHONY
BROWNE, knt. and others (as in previous deed, No. SAS-BA/8) - for a sum of
money paid by William Fitzwilliam, knt. Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
- of
a curtilage lying next the Almshouse of the said Chancellor between the same
house on the West and a lane there called Freern Lane, N., and land and a
barn
of Daniel Mugie, E. and the garden or croft of land of the said William
Hamond, S. (parish not named, but see the next document) To hold the
premises to the
said Anthony Browne and others to the use of the said Chancellor his heirs
and assigns for ever
Will Johnson
I've not checked this (as its bed time) except this is almost certainly the
son of the Sir Anthony of my last post and FitzWilliam (later earl of
Southampton) his half brother. This is a different family to the Milton
FitzWilliams and has previously discussed on Gen_med, or if connected not for quite a
few generations.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 00:33:01 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 3:53:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Robert Browne 1st Bart of
Walcott, and I'm no closer to figuring out why Robert called William
FitzWilliam and/or his wife Winifred his cousin. >>
Here is an example of a document in A2A where FitzWilliam and Browne occur
together in such a way to indicate a possible relationship
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/9 - date: 4 Mar 1530
[from Scope and Content] By WILLIAM HAMOND of Guldeford to ANTHONY
BROWNE, knt. and others (as in previous deed, No. SAS-BA/8) - for a sum of
money paid by William Fitzwilliam, knt. Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
- of
a curtilage lying next the Almshouse of the said Chancellor between the same
house on the West and a lane there called Freern Lane, N., and land and a
barn
of Daniel Mugie, E. and the garden or croft of land of the said William
Hamond, S. (parish not named, but see the next document) To hold the
premises to the
said Anthony Browne and others to the use of the said Chancellor his heirs
and assigns for ever
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/20/05 4:49:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where
Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families. >>
Good because I could use some help in figuring out some of these things I
encounter, in this family.
For example, just now I found a deed of settlement "in consideration of an
intended marriage" dated 20 Jan 1592 between Jane Sackville and Anthony Browne
[this is the one b 1 Feb 1574 per Leo].
But Leo has this marriage date 3 Feb 1591. I'm going to assume it means 3
Feb 1591/2 and that the "deed of settlement" should be dated 20 Jan 1591/2
Then the two dates work together just fine.
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------------------
FILE - Deed of Settlement - ref. SAS-BA/65 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] Between ANTHONY BROWNE, K.G., VISCOUNT
MONNTAGUE and Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, K.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. Whereby, after
reciting the previous Settlements of 6 Nov. 4 Eliz: (No. SAS-BA/27), 31 March
and 1 April, 26 Eliz: (Nos SAS-BA/51 & SAS-BA/54), the said Viscount - in
consideration of an intended marriage between Anthony Browne, esq., grandchild and
heir apparent to the said Viscount and son and heir to Anthony Browne, esq.,
sed. late son and heir apparent to the said Viscount, and Jane Sackville one of
the daughters of the said Lord Buckhurst and of £3000 agreed to be given by
Lord Buckhurst in preferment with the said Jane - the said Viscount Montague
varied the trusts in the former Settlements and declared new trusts in favour of
the said Anthony Browne and Jane Sackville
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/66 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] By ANTHONY VISCOUNT MOUNTAGUE, K.G. to
Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, M.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. and ANTHONY BROWNE, esq.,
grandchild to the said Viscount, and JANE SACKVILE, one of the daughters of the
said Lord Buckhurst, - in consideration of an intended marriage between the said
Anthony Browne and the said Jane Sackvile - of an Annuity or yearly rent of
£200 issuing out of all the manors, lands, tenements and hereditaments of the
said Viscount in the county of Surrey To hold for the life of the said Anthony
Viscount Mountague, payable at or in the mansion house of the said Viscount
called Cowdrey in the County of Sussex
FILE - Probate of the Will of this date of ANTHONYE VISCOUNTE
MOUNTAGUE, K.G - ref. SAS-BA/67 - date: 19 Jul 1592
[from Scope and Content] Bequest to wife Lady Magdalen of all
jewels which she had usually worn, also 1400 oz. of plate and silver vessels;
also one bed of Tissue or Testere, with paines of crimson staten, with a quilt of
crimson silke made for the same, with all other stuff,.... household
furniture &c. at testator's house at Battell, as in the Inventory thereof (except the
pictures mentioned in the said inventory and the hangings used in the Great
Chamber at the Galery end and in the two chambers next adjoining to the Great
Chamber And also except the brewing vessels, tables, boords, wainscottes....
yrons, bedsteades and the hangings of the historie of Alexander usuallie hanging
in the Great Chamber at Battell). Wife to have the use of the excepted
premises for life and after her decease, they to remain to Anthony Browne, testator's
grandchild, son of late son Anthony, and to continue as heirloomes in the
said mansionhouse at Battell
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where
Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families. >>
Good because I could use some help in figuring out some of these things I
encounter, in this family.
For example, just now I found a deed of settlement "in consideration of an
intended marriage" dated 20 Jan 1592 between Jane Sackville and Anthony Browne
[this is the one b 1 Feb 1574 per Leo].
But Leo has this marriage date 3 Feb 1591. I'm going to assume it means 3
Feb 1591/2 and that the "deed of settlement" should be dated 20 Jan 1591/2
Then the two dates work together just fine.
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------------------
FILE - Deed of Settlement - ref. SAS-BA/65 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] Between ANTHONY BROWNE, K.G., VISCOUNT
MONNTAGUE and Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, K.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. Whereby, after
reciting the previous Settlements of 6 Nov. 4 Eliz: (No. SAS-BA/27), 31 March
and 1 April, 26 Eliz: (Nos SAS-BA/51 & SAS-BA/54), the said Viscount - in
consideration of an intended marriage between Anthony Browne, esq., grandchild and
heir apparent to the said Viscount and son and heir to Anthony Browne, esq.,
sed. late son and heir apparent to the said Viscount, and Jane Sackville one of
the daughters of the said Lord Buckhurst and of £3000 agreed to be given by
Lord Buckhurst in preferment with the said Jane - the said Viscount Montague
varied the trusts in the former Settlements and declared new trusts in favour of
the said Anthony Browne and Jane Sackville
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/66 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] By ANTHONY VISCOUNT MOUNTAGUE, K.G. to
Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, M.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. and ANTHONY BROWNE, esq.,
grandchild to the said Viscount, and JANE SACKVILE, one of the daughters of the
said Lord Buckhurst, - in consideration of an intended marriage between the said
Anthony Browne and the said Jane Sackvile - of an Annuity or yearly rent of
£200 issuing out of all the manors, lands, tenements and hereditaments of the
said Viscount in the county of Surrey To hold for the life of the said Anthony
Viscount Mountague, payable at or in the mansion house of the said Viscount
called Cowdrey in the County of Sussex
FILE - Probate of the Will of this date of ANTHONYE VISCOUNTE
MOUNTAGUE, K.G - ref. SAS-BA/67 - date: 19 Jul 1592
[from Scope and Content] Bequest to wife Lady Magdalen of all
jewels which she had usually worn, also 1400 oz. of plate and silver vessels;
also one bed of Tissue or Testere, with paines of crimson staten, with a quilt of
crimson silke made for the same, with all other stuff,.... household
furniture &c. at testator's house at Battell, as in the Inventory thereof (except the
pictures mentioned in the said inventory and the hangings used in the Great
Chamber at the Galery end and in the two chambers next adjoining to the Great
Chamber And also except the brewing vessels, tables, boords, wainscottes....
yrons, bedsteades and the hangings of the historie of Alexander usuallie hanging
in the Great Chamber at Battell). Wife to have the use of the excepted
premises for life and after her decease, they to remain to Anthony Browne, testator's
grandchild, son of late son Anthony, and to continue as heirloomes in the
said mansionhouse at Battell
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Your date is correct, the Will was written in 21 Apr 1547, proved 31 March
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp
Adrian:
Further on this line there is some sort of error on Sir Anthony Browne, K.G.
I have sources on his death of http://www.genealogics.org, http://www.tudorplace.com and
Living Descendents of Blood Royal, Vol 2, "Butt", pg 133-6
However from one of these at least, I have that specific date as 6 May 1548
at Byfleet, Sussex. This cannot be correct because below I present a
document
showing his will being Probate already by 22 Apr 1547.
It is obvious that this is the same Anthony as he is passing his Garter
collar to his son.
Comments welcome
Will Johnson
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------
FILE - Probate of the Will of ANTHONYE BROWNE, knt. and Master of the kyngis
horses - ref. SAS-BA/19 - date: 22 Apr 1547
[from Scope and Content] To son Sir Anthony Browne, testator's
collar of the Order of the Garter, with all householf stuff, plate, money
&c.,
debts cattele, leases, wardships and all other things appertaining to 'my
body',
the furnishing of any of testator's houses of Battell, Cowdrye or Byflet not
already bequeathed, at 21 years
[from Scope and Content] Settlement of all manors on son Sir Anthony
Browne in tail male, with remainders over to other sons
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp
Adrian:
Further on this line there is some sort of error on Sir Anthony Browne, K.G.
I have sources on his death of http://www.genealogics.org, http://www.tudorplace.com and
Living Descendents of Blood Royal, Vol 2, "Butt", pg 133-6
However from one of these at least, I have that specific date as 6 May 1548
at Byfleet, Sussex. This cannot be correct because below I present a
document
showing his will being Probate already by 22 Apr 1547.
It is obvious that this is the same Anthony as he is passing his Garter
collar to his son.
Comments welcome
Will Johnson
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------
FILE - Probate of the Will of ANTHONYE BROWNE, knt. and Master of the kyngis
horses - ref. SAS-BA/19 - date: 22 Apr 1547
[from Scope and Content] To son Sir Anthony Browne, testator's
collar of the Order of the Garter, with all householf stuff, plate, money
&c.,
debts cattele, leases, wardships and all other things appertaining to 'my
body',
the furnishing of any of testator's houses of Battell, Cowdrye or Byflet not
already bequeathed, at 21 years
[from Scope and Content] Settlement of all manors on son Sir Anthony
Browne in tail male, with remainders over to other sons
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/20/05 5:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Your date is correct, the Will was written in 21 Apr 1547, proved 31
March
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp >>
But you're then saying the date is the date of the will, and not the date of
the probate ?
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< Your date is correct, the Will was written in 21 Apr 1547, proved 31
March
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp >>
But you're then saying the date is the date of the will, and not the date of
the probate ?
-
Leo van de Pas
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Dear Will,
Both Paget and Cahiers de Saint Louis also give 6 May 1548 for Anthony
Browne, husband of (1) Alice Gage (2) Elizabeth FitzGerald. Also my "Bible"
on the Knights of the Garter tell he was nominated 23 April 1540 and died in
1548 (no precise date given).
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Both Paget and Cahiers de Saint Louis also give 6 May 1548 for Anthony
Browne, husband of (1) Alice Gage (2) Elizabeth FitzGerald. Also my "Bible"
on the Knights of the Garter tell he was nominated 23 April 1540 and died in
1548 (no precise date given).
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Further on this line there is some sort of error on Sir Anthony Browne,
K.G.
I have sources on his death of http://www.genealogics.org, http://www.tudorplace.com and
Living Descendents of Blood Royal, Vol 2, "Butt", pg 133-6
However from one of these at least, I have that specific date as 6 May
1548
at Byfleet, Sussex. This cannot be correct because below I present a
document
showing his will being Probate already by 22 Apr 1547.
It is obvious that this is the same Anthony as he is passing his Garter
collar to his son.
Comments welcome
Will Johnson
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------
FILE - Probate of the Will of ANTHONYE BROWNE, knt. and Master of the
kyngis
horses - ref. SAS-BA/19 - date: 22 Apr 1547
[from Scope and Content] To son Sir Anthony Browne, testator's
collar of the Order of the Garter, with all householf stuff, plate, money
&c.,
debts cattele, leases, wardships and all other things appertaining to 'my
body',
the furnishing of any of testator's houses of Battell, Cowdrye or Byflet
not
already bequeathed, at 21 years
[from Scope and Content] Settlement of all manors on son Sir
Anthony
Browne in tail male, with remainders over to other sons
-
Mark B
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
--- ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
-snip-
Adrian,
So I wonder if you might have come across anything
that might help me. I've been futilely searching for
the origins of a Francis Browne of London.
The PCC will of this Francis Browne “citizen and
haberdasher of London” is dated 12 May 1643 and proved
1 September 1645.
In the will, he names:
Anne Browne--wife
Robert Browne--son
William Wormell--son-in-law
Susan Brisco--daughter
Mathias Browne--son
Elizabeth Browne--daughter
Sarah Browne--daughter
Elizabeth Lowther--kinswoman
Peter Storie--son-in-law
Francis Storie--daughter
Anne Wormell--daughter
William Brisco--son-in-law
Susan Brisco--granddaughter
Mary Brisco--granddaughter
Anne Brisco--granddaughter
John Underwood--son-in-law
John Rolfe
John Eaton
Sarah Sedgwick
Stephen Sedgwick
He left to his heirs these properties:
The White Hart – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Starr – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Shipp – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Unicorn – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
Properties at Bishopsgate Street, St. Peter in
Cornhill parish, London
Houses at Scalding Alley, London
He left various sums for the relief of the poor in
Woolchurch parish, London; St. Sepulchre without
Newgate; and Normanton, Bottesford parish, Leicester.
He named Woolchurch as a former residence. I don't
know what his connection to Leister was. Are you aware
of any Browne families with connections there? Does
anything else here strike a chord? I'd appreciate any
thoughts you or others in the group might have.
Regards,
Mark Briscoe
__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com
-snip-
I've been researching Brownes for many years now
(15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data.
-snip-
Adrian,
So I wonder if you might have come across anything
that might help me. I've been futilely searching for
the origins of a Francis Browne of London.
The PCC will of this Francis Browne “citizen and
haberdasher of London” is dated 12 May 1643 and proved
1 September 1645.
In the will, he names:
Anne Browne--wife
Robert Browne--son
William Wormell--son-in-law
Susan Brisco--daughter
Mathias Browne--son
Elizabeth Browne--daughter
Sarah Browne--daughter
Elizabeth Lowther--kinswoman
Peter Storie--son-in-law
Francis Storie--daughter
Anne Wormell--daughter
William Brisco--son-in-law
Susan Brisco--granddaughter
Mary Brisco--granddaughter
Anne Brisco--granddaughter
John Underwood--son-in-law
John Rolfe
John Eaton
Sarah Sedgwick
Stephen Sedgwick
He left to his heirs these properties:
The White Hart – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Starr – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Shipp – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
The Unicorn – St. Peter in Cornhill parish, London
Properties at Bishopsgate Street, St. Peter in
Cornhill parish, London
Houses at Scalding Alley, London
He left various sums for the relief of the poor in
Woolchurch parish, London; St. Sepulchre without
Newgate; and Normanton, Bottesford parish, Leicester.
He named Woolchurch as a former residence. I don't
know what his connection to Leister was. Are you aware
of any Browne families with connections there? Does
anything else here strike a chord? I'd appreciate any
thoughts you or others in the group might have.
Regards,
Mark Briscoe
__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
I wrote;
<< Your date is correct, the Will was written in 21 Apr 1547, proved 31
March
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp >>
Will replied;
the probate ?
<<<<<
Yes, April 1547 is the date the Will was written, but thanks for bringing
this to my attention, another look at the Will shows I should have had the 22nd
not the 21st in my notes. (This was one of the first Tudor wills I read, and
must have missed the extra minim in the xxij)
"In the name of God Amen I Sr ANTHONY BROWNE Knight of the order and master
of the kings Majesties Horse being thanks be given to almighty God of hole
and perfect memory considering great ambiguities doubts and questions that
daily do arise and grow in last wills the xxij day of April in the year of our
Lord God a thousand five hundred forty and seven make and ordain this my last
testament of all my goods and chattles and my will of my lands tenements..."
Adrian
<< Your date is correct, the Will was written in 21 Apr 1547, proved 31
March
1550 and he died 6 May 1548. By the way there were five successive Anthony
Browne although one died vp >>
Will replied;
But you're then saying the date is the date of the will, and not the date of
the probate ?
<<<<<
Yes, April 1547 is the date the Will was written, but thanks for bringing
this to my attention, another look at the Will shows I should have had the 22nd
not the 21st in my notes. (This was one of the first Tudor wills I read, and
must have missed the extra minim in the xxij)
"In the name of God Amen I Sr ANTHONY BROWNE Knight of the order and master
of the kings Majesties Horse being thanks be given to almighty God of hole
and perfect memory considering great ambiguities doubts and questions that
daily do arise and grow in last wills the xxij day of April in the year of our
Lord God a thousand five hundred forty and seven make and ordain this my last
testament of all my goods and chattles and my will of my lands tenements..."
Adrian
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Will,
Sorry, I don't see the problem.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 4:49:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where
Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families. >>
Good because I could use some help in figuring out some of these things I
encounter, in this family.
For example, just now I found a deed of settlement "in consideration of an
intended marriage" dated 20 Jan 1592 between Jane Sackville and Anthony
Browne
[this is the one b 1 Feb 1574 per Leo].
But Leo has this marriage date 3 Feb 1591. I'm going to assume it means 3
Feb 1591/2 and that the "deed of settlement" should be dated 20 Jan 1591/2
Then the two dates work together just fine.
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------------------
FILE - Deed of Settlement - ref. SAS-BA/65 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] Between ANTHONY BROWNE, K.G., VISCOUNT
MONNTAGUE and Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, K.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. Whereby,
after
reciting the previous Settlements of 6 Nov. 4 Eliz: (No. SAS-BA/27), 31
March
and 1 April, 26 Eliz: (Nos SAS-BA/51 & SAS-BA/54), the said Viscount - in
consideration of an intended marriage between Anthony Browne, esq.,
grandchild and
heir apparent to the said Viscount and son and heir to Anthony Browne, esq.,
sed. late son and heir apparent to the said Viscount, and Jane Sackville one
of
the daughters of the said Lord Buckhurst and of £3000 agreed to be given by
Lord Buckhurst in preferment with the said Jane - the said Viscount Montague
varied the trusts in the former Settlements and declared new trusts in
favour of
the said Anthony Browne and Jane Sackville
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/66 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] By ANTHONY VISCOUNT MOUNTAGUE, K.G. to
Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, M.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. and ANTHONY BROWNE, esq.,
grandchild to the said Viscount, and JANE SACKVILE, one of the daughters of
the
said Lord Buckhurst, - in consideration of an intended marriage between the
said
Anthony Browne and the said Jane Sackvile - of an Annuity or yearly rent of
£200 issuing out of all the manors, lands, tenements and hereditaments of
the
said Viscount in the county of Surrey To hold for the life of the said
Anthony
Viscount Mountague, payable at or in the mansion house of the said Viscount
called Cowdrey in the County of Sussex
FILE - Probate of the Will of this date of ANTHONYE VISCOUNTE
MOUNTAGUE, K.G - ref. SAS-BA/67 - date: 19 Jul 1592
[from Scope and Content] Bequest to wife Lady Magdalen of all
jewels which she had usually worn, also 1400 oz. of plate and silver
vessels;
also one bed of Tissue or Testere, with paines of crimson staten, with a
quilt of
crimson silke made for the same, with all other stuff,.... household
furniture &c. at testator's house at Battell, as in the Inventory thereof
(except the
pictures mentioned in the said inventory and the hangings used in the Great
Chamber at the Galery end and in the two chambers next adjoining to the
Great
Chamber And also except the brewing vessels, tables, boords, wainscottes....
yrons, bedsteades and the hangings of the historie of Alexander usuallie
hanging
in the Great Chamber at Battell). Wife to have the use of the excepted
premises for life and after her decease, they to remain to Anthony Browne,
testator's
grandchild, son of late son Anthony, and to continue as heirloomes in the
said mansionhouse at Battell
Sorry, I don't see the problem.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 01:08:08 GMT Standard Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:
In a message dated 9/20/05 4:49:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
<< I've been researching Brownes for many years now (15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data. There is always room for error (especially where
Charles
Brandon is concerned), but I have several generations of all three of these
Browne families. >>
Good because I could use some help in figuring out some of these things I
encounter, in this family.
For example, just now I found a deed of settlement "in consideration of an
intended marriage" dated 20 Jan 1592 between Jane Sackville and Anthony
Browne
[this is the one b 1 Feb 1574 per Leo].
But Leo has this marriage date 3 Feb 1591. I'm going to assume it means 3
Feb 1591/2 and that the "deed of settlement" should be dated 20 Jan 1591/2
Then the two dates work together just fine.
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
Will Johnson
----------------------------------------------------------------
FILE - Deed of Settlement - ref. SAS-BA/65 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] Between ANTHONY BROWNE, K.G., VISCOUNT
MONNTAGUE and Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, K.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. Whereby,
after
reciting the previous Settlements of 6 Nov. 4 Eliz: (No. SAS-BA/27), 31
March
and 1 April, 26 Eliz: (Nos SAS-BA/51 & SAS-BA/54), the said Viscount - in
consideration of an intended marriage between Anthony Browne, esq.,
grandchild and
heir apparent to the said Viscount and son and heir to Anthony Browne, esq.,
sed. late son and heir apparent to the said Viscount, and Jane Sackville one
of
the daughters of the said Lord Buckhurst and of £3000 agreed to be given by
Lord Buckhurst in preferment with the said Jane - the said Viscount Montague
varied the trusts in the former Settlements and declared new trusts in
favour of
the said Anthony Browne and Jane Sackville
FILE - Grant - ref. SAS-BA/66 - date: 20 Jan 1592
[from Scope and Content] By ANTHONY VISCOUNT MOUNTAGUE, K.G. to
Sir THOMAS SACKVILLE, M.G., LORD BUCKHURST, P.C. and ANTHONY BROWNE, esq.,
grandchild to the said Viscount, and JANE SACKVILE, one of the daughters of
the
said Lord Buckhurst, - in consideration of an intended marriage between the
said
Anthony Browne and the said Jane Sackvile - of an Annuity or yearly rent of
£200 issuing out of all the manors, lands, tenements and hereditaments of
the
said Viscount in the county of Surrey To hold for the life of the said
Anthony
Viscount Mountague, payable at or in the mansion house of the said Viscount
called Cowdrey in the County of Sussex
FILE - Probate of the Will of this date of ANTHONYE VISCOUNTE
MOUNTAGUE, K.G - ref. SAS-BA/67 - date: 19 Jul 1592
[from Scope and Content] Bequest to wife Lady Magdalen of all
jewels which she had usually worn, also 1400 oz. of plate and silver
vessels;
also one bed of Tissue or Testere, with paines of crimson staten, with a
quilt of
crimson silke made for the same, with all other stuff,.... household
furniture &c. at testator's house at Battell, as in the Inventory thereof
(except the
pictures mentioned in the said inventory and the hangings used in the Great
Chamber at the Galery end and in the two chambers next adjoining to the
Great
Chamber And also except the brewing vessels, tables, boords, wainscottes....
yrons, bedsteades and the hangings of the historie of Alexander usuallie
hanging
in the Great Chamber at Battell). Wife to have the use of the excepted
premises for life and after her decease, they to remain to Anthony Browne,
testator's
grandchild, son of late son Anthony, and to continue as heirloomes in the
said mansionhouse at Battell
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Mark,
I have had a quick look, but not much luck, I will work on your information
when I have more time. There is the following, but I'm not sure if there is
any connection.
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732) was in 1798 the surviving trustee of
the will and codicil, and William Brisco son of John, but this is a bit late
for your Browne. More details can be found at the PRO, A2A site mostly under
the file Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: The Lawson Family [D
LAW/2 - D LAW/10]. Also there is a bit in Burke's Landed Gentry of England and
Ireland 1840, p 148, but I have not come accross a Francis Browne in this
family.
The PRO A2A site is at: _http://www.a2a.org.uk_ (http://www.a2a.org.uk)
Best regards,
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 04:57:25 GMT Standard Time,
mygenlists@yahoo.com writes:
--- ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
-snip-
Adrian,
So I wonder if you might have come across anything
that might help me. I've been futilely searching for
the origins of a Francis Browne of London.
The PCC will of this Francis Browne “citizen and
haberdasher of Londonâ€
I have had a quick look, but not much luck, I will work on your information
when I have more time. There is the following, but I'm not sure if there is
any connection.
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732) was in 1798 the surviving trustee of
the will and codicil, and William Brisco son of John, but this is a bit late
for your Browne. More details can be found at the PRO, A2A site mostly under
the file Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: The Lawson Family [D
LAW/2 - D LAW/10]. Also there is a bit in Burke's Landed Gentry of England and
Ireland 1840, p 148, but I have not come accross a Francis Browne in this
family.
The PRO A2A site is at: _http://www.a2a.org.uk_ (http://www.a2a.org.uk)
Best regards,
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 04:57:25 GMT Standard Time,
mygenlists@yahoo.com writes:
--- ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
-snip-
I've been researching Brownes for many years now
(15?) and have compiled
quite a bit of data.
-snip-
Adrian,
So I wonder if you might have come across anything
that might help me. I've been futilely searching for
the origins of a Francis Browne of London.
The PCC will of this Francis Browne “citizen and
haberdasher of Londonâ€
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Mark,
In fact I find I have a reference to your Francis Browne, in my unmatched
register, again from the A2A site:
Reference: D HA/3/1; Lease for the life of Susan Browne. 1 Aug. 1638;
Creation dates: 1638
Scope and Content
William Briscoe of Lincolnes Inne, Middlesex, esq.
Francis Browne, citizen & haberdasher of London.
Recital: impending marriage between William Briscoe (above) and Susan Browne
(daughter of the above).
Premises: the demesne of Urthwaiteheede and Comeforthowe within the forest
of Westward, held by a 1,000 year lease by the Earl of Northumberland to John
Briscoe, grandfather of John.
Witnesses: John Ponsonbie, William Wormell, Walter Pykes, Robert Heyhoe.
PRO; A2A; Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters_ Hough, Halton & Soal
of Carlisle.
This shows that this Browne is connected to the Brownes of my previous
message - I will get back to it in a day or two.
Adrian
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
Mark,
I have had a quick look, but not much luck, I will work on your information
when I have more time. There is the following, but I'm not sure if there
is
any connection.
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include
a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732) was in 1798 the surviving trustee of
the will and codicil, and William Brisco son of John, but this is a bit
late
for your Browne. More details can be found at the PRO, A2A site mostly
under
the file Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: The Lawson Family [D
LAW/2 - D LAW/10]. Also there is a bit in Burke's Landed Gentry of England
and
Ireland 1840, p 148, but I have not come accross a Francis Browne in this
family.
The PRO A2A site is at: _http://www.a2a.org.uk_ (http://www.a2a.org.uk)
Best regards,
Adrian
<<<<
In fact I find I have a reference to your Francis Browne, in my unmatched
register, again from the A2A site:
Reference: D HA/3/1; Lease for the life of Susan Browne. 1 Aug. 1638;
Creation dates: 1638
Scope and Content
William Briscoe of Lincolnes Inne, Middlesex, esq.
Francis Browne, citizen & haberdasher of London.
Recital: impending marriage between William Briscoe (above) and Susan Browne
(daughter of the above).
Premises: the demesne of Urthwaiteheede and Comeforthowe within the forest
of Westward, held by a 1,000 year lease by the Earl of Northumberland to John
Briscoe, grandfather of John.
Witnesses: John Ponsonbie, William Wormell, Walter Pykes, Robert Heyhoe.
PRO; A2A; Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters_ Hough, Halton & Soal
of Carlisle.
This shows that this Browne is connected to the Brownes of my previous
message - I will get back to it in a day or two.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 13:10:04 GMT Standard Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
Mark,
I have had a quick look, but not much luck, I will work on your information
when I have more time. There is the following, but I'm not sure if there
is
any connection.
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include
a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732) was in 1798 the surviving trustee of
the will and codicil, and William Brisco son of John, but this is a bit
late
for your Browne. More details can be found at the PRO, A2A site mostly
under
the file Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: The Lawson Family [D
LAW/2 - D LAW/10]. Also there is a bit in Burke's Landed Gentry of England
and
Ireland 1840, p 148, but I have not come accross a Francis Browne in this
family.
The PRO A2A site is at: _http://www.a2a.org.uk_ (http://www.a2a.org.uk)
Best regards,
Adrian
<<<<
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
In a message dated 9/21/2005 5:06:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ADRIANCHANNING writes:
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
This is still a problem.
I'm going to assume that Leo's database for Anthony, the son of this Anthony
who made the will should actually read BEF 19 Jun 1592. By the way I
mistated the death date of the son, above, as 22 Jul 1552, when it actually reads
22 Jul 1592 which is why this date must be incorrect. Anthony the father
writes his will and states this his son is dead and he gives a bunch of stuff to
his grandson, also Anthony (!!) These people had no imagination in naming.
At any rate, the middle Anthony now has no good death date, except to say
that his own son Anthony is not yet 21 years old and we know by later documents
that this third Anthony had a few younger brothers at least.
Will Johnson
ADRIANCHANNING writes:
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
This is still a problem.
I'm going to assume that Leo's database for Anthony, the son of this Anthony
who made the will should actually read BEF 19 Jun 1592. By the way I
mistated the death date of the son, above, as 22 Jul 1552, when it actually reads
22 Jul 1592 which is why this date must be incorrect. Anthony the father
writes his will and states this his son is dead and he gives a bunch of stuff to
his grandson, also Anthony (!!) These people had no imagination in naming.
At any rate, the middle Anthony now has no good death date, except to say
that his own son Anthony is not yet 21 years old and we know by later documents
that this third Anthony had a few younger brothers at least.
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Will,
In your replies to Gen-Med, can you make sure that it is clear who wrote
what. Okay I am also guilty of not taking enough care, but your last was very
misleading.
I do not see the problem of a grandfather making a marriage settlement for
his grandson whilst the father is still alive, indeed as the son has not
inherited, his funds may be limited.
I cannot see any problems with Leo's date of death for the middle Anthony
Browne, it is in agreement with CP which also states he was buried the next day.
Adrian
In a message dated 9/21/2005 5:06:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ADRIANCHANNING writes:
NO I DID NOT WRITE THIS
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already
deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months
AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
This is still a problem.
I'm going to assume that Leo's database for Anthony, the son of this
Anthony
who made the will should actually read BEF 19 Jun 1592. By the way I
mistated the death date of the son, above, as 22 Jul 1552, when it actually
reads
22 Jul 1592 which is why this date must be incorrect. Anthony the father
writes his will and states this his son is dead and he gives a bunch of
stuff to
his grandson, also Anthony (!!) These people had no imagination in naming.
At any rate, the middle Anthony now has no good death date, except to say
that his own son Anthony is not yet 21 years old and we know by later
documents
that this third Anthony had a few younger brothers at least.
Will Johnson
In your replies to Gen-Med, can you make sure that it is clear who wrote
what. Okay I am also guilty of not taking enough care, but your last was very
misleading.
I do not see the problem of a grandfather making a marriage settlement for
his grandson whilst the father is still alive, indeed as the son has not
inherited, his funds may be limited.
I cannot see any problems with Leo's date of death for the middle Anthony
Browne, it is in agreement with CP which also states he was buried the next day.
Adrian
In a message dated 9/21/2005 5:06:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ADRIANCHANNING writes:
NO I DID NOT WRITE THIS
But it appears the grandfather is doing the settlement which would imply
that
the father ALSO Anthony Browne [d 22 Jul 1552 per Leo] was already
deceased.
And yet his death date is stated 29 Jun 1592 which would be six months
AFTER
the settlement !
And then it appears we have a will where the Anthony who was probate on 19
Jul 1592 is devising to his grandson Anthony, so this seems confused.
This is still a problem.
I'm going to assume that Leo's database for Anthony, the son of this
Anthony
who made the will should actually read BEF 19 Jun 1592. By the way I
mistated the death date of the son, above, as 22 Jul 1552, when it actually
reads
22 Jul 1592 which is why this date must be incorrect. Anthony the father
writes his will and states this his son is dead and he gives a bunch of
stuff to
his grandson, also Anthony (!!) These people had no imagination in naming.
At any rate, the middle Anthony now has no good death date, except to say
that his own son Anthony is not yet 21 years old and we know by later
documents
that this third Anthony had a few younger brothers at least.
Will Johnson
-
Mark B
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Adrian,
Thank you for your reply.
I haven't found any evidence that Francis Browne of
London is connected to the Brownes of Woodhall in
Caldbeck. This latter Browne family seems to have been
in that parish well before the 1638 marriage
settlement for William Brisco and Francis Browne's
daughter Susan. See:
FILE [no title] - ref. D LAW/3/17/2 - date: 1613
[from Scope and Content] Bargain and sale for
£3 (Richard Bewlie of Hesket p. Caldbeck gent. to
Cuthbert Browne of do. yeo.) - tenantright estate
(rent 3s.0d.) in the Manor of Caldbeck, comprising one
toft and ½ acre parcel adjoining, and further piece of
land on the backside of the barn there
Yet Francis Browne's will only mentions properties in
London, none in Cumberland. The marriage settlement
you cite doesn't specifically tie Francis Browne to
the family at Caldbeck. It mentions other lands in
Cumberland, but that's because these were lands held
by William Brisco. I suppose Francis Browne could have
been a younger son who went to London and made good,
then married his daughter off to an esquire from back
home, but I don't see any evidence of this in the
marriage settlement or anywhere else.
It is very interesting that one of his daughters
married into the Brisco family of Cumberland, another
married a Peter Storie (there are several Story
families with roots in Cumberland), and he names
Elizabeth Lowther a “kinswoman.” Several Lowther
families (including the future Earls of Lonsdale) came
from Cumberland and Westmorland.
The entry for the Brownes of Woodhall in Cumberland
Families and Heraldry (Hudleston and Boumphrey)
doesn't mention Francis or any ties to the Brisco,
Lowther, or Story families.
I'm still curious how the Normanton, Bottesford
parish, Leicester mentioned in Francis Browne's will
fits in.
Mark Briscoe
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Thank you for your reply.
I haven't found any evidence that Francis Browne of
London is connected to the Brownes of Woodhall in
Caldbeck. This latter Browne family seems to have been
in that parish well before the 1638 marriage
settlement for William Brisco and Francis Browne's
daughter Susan. See:
FILE [no title] - ref. D LAW/3/17/2 - date: 1613
[from Scope and Content] Bargain and sale for
£3 (Richard Bewlie of Hesket p. Caldbeck gent. to
Cuthbert Browne of do. yeo.) - tenantright estate
(rent 3s.0d.) in the Manor of Caldbeck, comprising one
toft and ½ acre parcel adjoining, and further piece of
land on the backside of the barn there
Yet Francis Browne's will only mentions properties in
London, none in Cumberland. The marriage settlement
you cite doesn't specifically tie Francis Browne to
the family at Caldbeck. It mentions other lands in
Cumberland, but that's because these were lands held
by William Brisco. I suppose Francis Browne could have
been a younger son who went to London and made good,
then married his daughter off to an esquire from back
home, but I don't see any evidence of this in the
marriage settlement or anywhere else.
It is very interesting that one of his daughters
married into the Brisco family of Cumberland, another
married a Peter Storie (there are several Story
families with roots in Cumberland), and he names
Elizabeth Lowther a “kinswoman.” Several Lowther
families (including the future Earls of Lonsdale) came
from Cumberland and Westmorland.
The entry for the Brownes of Woodhall in Cumberland
Families and Heraldry (Hudleston and Boumphrey)
doesn't mention Francis or any ties to the Brisco,
Lowther, or Story families.
I'm still curious how the Normanton, Bottesford
parish, Leicester mentioned in Francis Browne's will
fits in.
Mark Briscoe
--- ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Mark,
In fact I find I have a reference to your Francis
Browne, in my unmatched
register, again from the A2A site:
Reference: D HA/3/1; Lease for the life of Susan
Browne. 1 Aug. 1638;
Creation dates: 1638
Scope and Content
William Briscoe of Lincolnes Inne, Middlesex, esq.
Francis Browne, citizen & haberdasher of London.
Recital: impending marriage between William Briscoe
(above) and Susan Browne
(daughter of the above).
Premises: the demesne of Urthwaiteheede and
Comeforthowe within the forest
of Westward, held by a 1,000 year lease by the Earl
of Northumberland to John
Briscoe, grandfather of John.
Witnesses: John Ponsonbie, William Wormell, Walter
Pykes, Robert Heyhoe.
PRO; A2A; Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle
Headquarters_ Hough, Halton & Soal
of Carlisle.
This shows that this Browne is connected to the
Brownes of my previous
message - I will get back to it in a day or two.
Adrian
In a message dated 21/09/2005 13:10:04 GMT Standard
Time,
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com writes:
Mark,
I have had a quick look, but not much luck, I will
work on your information
when I have more time. There is the following, but
I'm not sure if there
is
any connection.
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall,
in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations
(according to Burke's), include
a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732) was in 1798
the surviving trustee of
the will and codicil, and William Brisco son of
John, but this is a bit
late
for your Browne. More details can be found at the
PRO, A2A site mostly
under
the file Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle
Headquarters: The Lawson Family [D
LAW/2 - D LAW/10]. Also there is a bit in Burke's
Landed Gentry of England
and
Ireland 1840, p 148, but I have not come accross a
Francis Browne in this
family.
The PRO A2A site is at: _http://www.a2a.org.uk_
(http://www.a2a.org.uk)
Best regards,
Adrian
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Chris Dickinson
Re: Robert Browne 1st Baronett of Walcott
Adrian Channing wrote:
<snip>
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include
a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732)
<snip>
Just a further footnote (for others, not for Adrian, who will have this
already) ... Tallentire Hall wasn't a traditional property of the Brownes.
According to Roy Huddleston, William Browne purchased it in 1776.
Tallentire Hall was originally owned by the Fletchers.
Chris
<snip>
The family of Browne who were settled at Woodhall, in the parish of
Caldbeck, Cumberland, for many generations (according to Burke's), include
a William
Browne of Tallentire Hall (born 1732)
<snip>
Just a further footnote (for others, not for Adrian, who will have this
already) ... Tallentire Hall wasn't a traditional property of the Brownes.
According to Roy Huddleston, William Browne purchased it in 1776.
Tallentire Hall was originally owned by the Fletchers.
Chris