Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Brewes,

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Douglas Richardson royala

Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Brewes,

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 14 sep 2005 19:57:01

Dear Newsgroup ~

This past week I encountered the weblink below which has interesting
information relating to Walter of Gloucester, Sheriff of
Gloucestershire (died c. 1126/7). Walter of Gloucester was promiment
during the reign of King Henry I of England. He is ancestral to the
Bohun, Braiose/Brewes, and Fitz Herbert/Fitz Roger families, from which
families most newsgroup members descend.

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... Walter.htm

Walter of Gloucester's son, Miles of Gloucester, became Earl of
Hereford in 1141, after which this family adopted the surname "of
Hereford."

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Bre

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 14 sep 2005 20:39:43

In article <1126724221.417812.231200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com" <royalancestry@msn.com>
wrote:

Dear Newsgroup ~

This past week I encountered the weblink below which has interesting
information relating to Walter of Gloucester, Sheriff of
Gloucestershire (died c. 1126/7). Walter of Gloucester was promiment
during the reign of King Henry I of England. He is ancestral to the
Bohun, Braiose/Brewes, and Fitz Herbert/Fitz Roger families, from which
families most newsgroup members descend.

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... Walter.htm

This is a peek into a private draft prosopographical discussion page
from the King's College, London, 'Durham Liber Vitae Project', whose
public home page is:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv/

The entire 'dlvref' directory at this website, some portions of which
are password-protected, contain various internal project documents (some
of which are password-protected). The directory index page is marked
"Private Website" and headed by this statement:

"Materials on this site are confidential to the DLV Project and may not
be published or quoted without the express written agreement of the
Project Director."

This notwithstanding, the directory has some interesting things,
including a page-by-page facsimile of the Durham Liber Vitae itself,
including the page on which Walter and (possibly his wife) Berta appear:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... bimages/fo
lio36r.jpg

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Bre

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 14 sep 2005 20:55:36

Dear Nat ~

Thank you for sharing this information. Much appreciated.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
In article <1126724221.417812.231200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com" <royalancestry@msn.com
wrote:

Dear Newsgroup ~

This past week I encountered the weblink below which has interesting
information relating to Walter of Gloucester, Sheriff of
Gloucestershire (died c. 1126/7). Walter of Gloucester was promiment
during the reign of King Henry I of England. He is ancestral to the
Bohun, Braiose/Brewes, and Fitz Herbert/Fitz Roger families, from which
families most newsgroup members descend.

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... Walter.htm

This is a peek into a private draft prosopographical discussion page
from the King's College, London, 'Durham Liber Vitae Project', whose
public home page is:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv/

The entire 'dlvref' directory at this website, some portions of which
are password-protected, contain various internal project documents (some
of which are password-protected). The directory index page is marked
"Private Website" and headed by this statement:

"Materials on this site are confidential to the DLV Project and may not
be published or quoted without the express written agreement of the
Project Director."

This notwithstanding, the directory has some interesting things,
including a page-by-page facsimile of the Durham Liber Vitae itself,
including the page on which Walter and (possibly his wife) Berta appear:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... bimages/fo
lio36r.jpg

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm

Rosie Bevan

Re: Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Bre

Legg inn av Rosie Bevan » 14 sep 2005 22:52:37

Thanks very much for posting this, Nat. I had not realised that it is
now possible to see images of the whole liber from

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... facsimile/

As discussed in my recent article in 'Foundations', on folio 67v the
family of Roger Bigod and Ida can be seen embedded amongst the chaotic
arrangement of names.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... lio67v.jpg

Comes Rogu's Bigot. Ida uxor ei'
Hugo Will's Rogu's Johs Radulf
Maria Margared Ida pueri ei'

It is the only known record of the entire family and had, until July
2002 when I posted under the thread "Liber Vitae and the family of
Roger and Ida Bigod" lain there unnoticed.

On the same folio Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (d.1220) can be seen
with his mother Margaret (d.1201), daughter of Henry, earl of
Huntingdon, and Henry's wife Matilda (d.1236), daughter of Geoffrey
fitz Piers. Other names will also be familiar.

The importance of the liber as a resource for medieval genealogy cannot
be over emphasised, and if one is willing to invest the time, it can be
very rewarding identifying various family groups and making new
discoveries.

Cheers

Rosie




Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
In article <1126724221.417812.231200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com" <royalancestry@msn.com
wrote:

Dear Newsgroup ~

This past week I encountered the weblink below which has interesting
information relating to Walter of Gloucester, Sheriff of
Gloucestershire (died c. 1126/7). Walter of Gloucester was promiment
during the reign of King Henry I of England. He is ancestral to the
Bohun, Braiose/Brewes, and Fitz Herbert/Fitz Roger families, from which
families most newsgroup members descend.

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... Walter.htm

This is a peek into a private draft prosopographical discussion page
from the King's College, London, 'Durham Liber Vitae Project', whose
public home page is:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv/

The entire 'dlvref' directory at this website, some portions of which
are password-protected, contain various internal project documents (some
of which are password-protected). The directory index page is marked
"Private Website" and headed by this statement:

"Materials on this site are confidential to the DLV Project and may not
be published or quoted without the express written agreement of the
Project Director."

This notwithstanding, the directory has some interesting things,
including a page-by-page facsimile of the Durham Liber Vitae itself,
including the page on which Walter and (possibly his wife) Berta appear:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... bimages/fo
lio36r.jpg

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm

Rosie Bevan

Re: Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7): Ancestor of Bohun, Bre

Legg inn av Rosie Bevan » 14 sep 2005 22:57:28

Recte:

For 'Margared' please read Margareta.

Rosie

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Walter of Gloucester (d. 1126/7)

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 15 sep 2005 01:07:31

In article <1126734757.011275.257030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Rosie Bevan" <rbevan@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

Thanks very much for posting this, Nat. I had not realised that it is
now possible to see images of the whole liber from

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... facsimile/

As discussed in my recent article in 'Foundations', on folio 67v the
family of Roger Bigod and Ida can be seen embedded amongst the chaotic
arrangement of names.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/dlv ... es/folio67
v.jpg

Comes Rogu's Bigot. Ida uxor ei'
Hugo Will's Rogu's Johs Radulf
Maria Margared Ida pueri ei'

It is the only known record of the entire family and had, until July
2002 when I posted under the thread "Liber Vitae and the family of
Roger and Ida Bigod" lain there unnoticed.

On the same folio Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (d.1220) can be seen
with his mother Margaret (d.1201), daughter of Henry, earl of
Huntingdon, and Henry's wife Matilda (d.1236), daughter of Geoffrey
fitz Piers. Other names will also be familiar.

The importance of the liber as a resource for medieval genealogy cannot
be over emphasised, and if one is willing to invest the time, it can be
very rewarding identifying various family groups and making new
discoveries.

Absolutely, Rosie. The Durham Liber Vitae Project has not formally
published its material, yet, though. The sample proposographical data
on their internal site has been up for a year and may be google-indexed
(perhaps that's how Douglas found the Walter of Gloucester page), but is
essentially only a draft sample; I expect the facsimiles are publicly
available only inadvertently, as well. When the material is published
this will rival the continental _libri memoriales_ published in the MGH
as a fascinating source for medieval kinship consciousness and
commemoration. And there may well be other solutions to twelfth-century
puzzles waiting in its pages.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm

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