Nomenclature nonsense
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Tony Hoskins
Nomenclature nonsense
On a light note. Per various of our contributions of interesting and
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
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Ginny Wagner
RE: Nomenclature nonsense
<interesting and
amusing names>
In Texas, we've all heard the story of Ima Hogg; born into
immense wealth and, so she would have something in her life
that would cause her to have to develop character, a name
was given that would bring humility.
My own dear grandmother, Oa, dearly loved her two letter
given name. She told the story that when her parents first
saw her, they said, "Oh, a beauty." from whence came the
name, Oa.
Ginny
amusing names>
In Texas, we've all heard the story of Ima Hogg; born into
immense wealth and, so she would have something in her life
that would cause her to have to develop character, a name
was given that would bring humility.
My own dear grandmother, Oa, dearly loved her two letter
given name. She told the story that when her parents first
saw her, they said, "Oh, a beauty." from whence came the
name, Oa.
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Chris Phillips
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"Preserved Fish" is a wonderful name!
Not in the same league, but also surely embarrassing to the bearer, are
rhyming names such as Esther Chester and (my favourite) Phoebe Beebee.
Chris Phillips
Not in the same league, but also surely embarrassing to the bearer, are
rhyming names such as Esther Chester and (my favourite) Phoebe Beebee.
Chris Phillips
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John Steele Gordon
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Thomas Starr and his wife Susannah (my tenth great grandparents) named their
17 children as follows:
Jehosephat (m)
Comfort (m)
Nostrength (f)
Moregifte (m)
William (m)
Mercy (f)
Constant (f)
Suretrust (m)
Thomas (m)
Standwell (m)
Judith (f)
Joyfoole (f)
Truthshallprevayl (f)
Constante (f)
Anne (f)
Mary (f)
Beloved (f)
My favorite is Constant Starr. They must have liked it too, as they used it
again, adding an E.
I hope that Suretrust Starr became a used-car salesman or a politician.
Ben Jonson made fun of this curious Puritan habit of fanciful names (and the
Puritan need to be always doing) in his play Bartholomew Fair, when he named
one of the characters Zeal-of-the-Land Busy.
As for rhyming names, I have known two women with them, Chris Bliss and Jill
Gill, but both acquired them through marriage, so they have only themselves
to blame.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
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17 children as follows:
Jehosephat (m)
Comfort (m)
Nostrength (f)
Moregifte (m)
William (m)
Mercy (f)
Constant (f)
Suretrust (m)
Thomas (m)
Standwell (m)
Judith (f)
Joyfoole (f)
Truthshallprevayl (f)
Constante (f)
Anne (f)
Mary (f)
Beloved (f)
My favorite is Constant Starr. They must have liked it too, as they used it
again, adding an E.
I hope that Suretrust Starr became a used-car salesman or a politician.
Ben Jonson made fun of this curious Puritan habit of fanciful names (and the
Puritan need to be always doing) in his play Bartholomew Fair, when he named
one of the characters Zeal-of-the-Land Busy.
As for rhyming names, I have known two women with them, Chris Bliss and Jill
Gill, but both acquired them through marriage, so they have only themselves
to blame.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s321a995.078@CENTRAL_SVR2...
On a light note. Per various of our contributions of interesting and
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
I came across a Crisp Brown recently, but fairly modern, (IIRC 18th century).
Adrian
Chris Phillips
"Preserved Fish" is a wonderful name!
Not in the same league, but also surely embarrassing to the bearer, are
rhyming names such as Esther Chester and (my favourite) Phoebe Beebee.
Adrian
Chris Phillips
"Preserved Fish" is a wonderful name!
Not in the same league, but also surely embarrassing to the bearer, are
rhyming names such as Esther Chester and (my favourite) Phoebe Beebee.
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Peter Stewart
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Was "Joyfoole" an orthographic oddity for "Joyful", or a Puritanical comment
on high spirits?
I hope she lived up to the name either way, and that her next sister did to
hers.
Peter Stewart
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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on high spirits?
I hope she lived up to the name either way, and that her next sister did to
hers.
Peter Stewart
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Starr and his wife Susannah (my tenth great grandparents) named
their 17 children as follows:
Jehosephat (m)
Comfort (m)
Nostrength (f)
Moregifte (m)
William (m)
Mercy (f)
Constant (f)
Suretrust (m)
Thomas (m)
Standwell (m)
Judith (f)
Joyfoole (f)
Truthshallprevayl (f)
Constante (f)
Anne (f)
Mary (f)
Beloved (f)
My favorite is Constant Starr. They must have liked it too, as they used
it again, adding an E.
I hope that Suretrust Starr became a used-car salesman or a politician.
Ben Jonson made fun of this curious Puritan habit of fanciful names (and
the Puritan need to be always doing) in his play Bartholomew Fair, when he
named one of the characters Zeal-of-the-Land Busy.
As for rhyming names, I have known two women with them, Chris Bliss and
Jill Gill, but both acquired them through marriage, so they have only
themselves to blame.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s321a995.078@CENTRAL_SVR2...
On a light note. Per various of our contributions of interesting and
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
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John Steele Gordon
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
I don't know, but I suspect that Joyfoole was just orthographical. This was
a hundred years before English spelling began to settle down, so the pun
would have been lost on most anyway. And Puritans had nothing against joy,as
long as it was experienced within the strictures of godly decorum.
As for Truthshallprevayl, I've always fancied that she grew up cursed with
the need to always tell the truth and was therefore very unpopular. Sort of
like King Gama in Gilbert and Sullivan's Princess Ida, who "To everybody's
prejudice I know a thing or two;/I can tell a woman's age in half a
minute--and I do."
JSG
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
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a hundred years before English spelling began to settle down, so the pun
would have been lost on most anyway. And Puritans had nothing against joy,as
long as it was experienced within the strictures of godly decorum.
As for Truthshallprevayl, I've always fancied that she grew up cursed with
the need to always tell the truth and was therefore very unpopular. Sort of
like King Gama in Gilbert and Sullivan's Princess Ida, who "To everybody's
prejudice I know a thing or two;/I can tell a woman's age in half a
minute--and I do."
JSG
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:QyAUe.29085$FA3.17406@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Was "Joyfoole" an orthographic oddity for "Joyful", or a Puritanical
comment on high spirits?
I hope she lived up to the name either way, and that her next sister did
to hers.
Peter Stewart
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:yjAUe.37001$U63.18337@fe12.lga...
Thomas Starr and his wife Susannah (my tenth great grandparents) named
their 17 children as follows:
Jehosephat (m)
Comfort (m)
Nostrength (f)
Moregifte (m)
William (m)
Mercy (f)
Constant (f)
Suretrust (m)
Thomas (m)
Standwell (m)
Judith (f)
Joyfoole (f)
Truthshallprevayl (f)
Constante (f)
Anne (f)
Mary (f)
Beloved (f)
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"As for rhyming names, I have known two women with them, Chris Bliss and
Jill Gill, but both acquired them through marriage, so they have only
themselves to blame."
I knew two girls named Barbie Beebe and DeeDee Doody (honest!).
Tony
Jill Gill, but both acquired them through marriage, so they have only
themselves to blame."
I knew two girls named Barbie Beebe and DeeDee Doody (honest!).
Tony
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Tony Hoskins
RE: Nomenclature nonsense
"My own dear grandmother, Oa, dearly loved her two lettergiven name.
She told the story that when her parents first saw her, they said, "Oh,
a beauty." from whence came the name, Oa."
Great name, Ginny! Reminds me of the Ozark couple 100 years or so ago
who named (with unintended irony) their daughter Ova!
Tony
She told the story that when her parents first saw her, they said, "Oh,
a beauty." from whence came the name, Oa."
Great name, Ginny! Reminds me of the Ozark couple 100 years or so ago
who named (with unintended irony) their daughter Ova!
Tony
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"when he named one of the characters Zeal-of-the-Land Busy."
I puzzle though (given the Puritan's preoccupation with "doing") over
the naming of my cousin Wait-Still Winthrop. Were his parents
counter-cultural (I opine)?!
Tony
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
I puzzle though (given the Puritan's preoccupation with "doing") over
the naming of my cousin Wait-Still Winthrop. Were his parents
counter-cultural (I opine)?!
Tony
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
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pj.evans
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
In a much more period, I've seen several women born mid-19th century
named Tennessee and Missouri (although my favorite odd names in that
period are California and Sanfrancisco). Tennessee usually seems to be
shortened to Tenny or Teny.
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
named Tennessee and Missouri (although my favorite odd names in that
period are California and Sanfrancisco). Tennessee usually seems to be
shortened to Tenny or Teny.
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
On a light note. Per various of our contributions of interesting and
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
-
John Steele Gordon
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
A friend of mine once had a blind date with a woman named Barbara. He went
to her apartment and when the door bell was answered asked for Barbara. It
turned out that all three of the roommates were named Barbara.
He was telling this story a few days later at the bar of a club we belong
to, and some one said, "they should put out a sign: Three Barbaras, no
waiting."
I remember this story with special fondness today, for tomorrow is the
anniversary of my friend's death. He did not make it out of the World Trade
Center.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
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to her apartment and when the door bell was answered asked for Barbara. It
turned out that all three of the roommates were named Barbara.
He was telling this story a few days later at the bar of a club we belong
to, and some one said, "they should put out a sign: Three Barbaras, no
waiting."
I remember this story with special fondness today, for tomorrow is the
anniversary of my friend's death. He did not make it out of the World Trade
Center.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s322a68e.012@CENTRAL_SVR2...
I knew two girls named Barbie Beebe and DeeDee Doody (honest!).
Tony
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John Steele Gordon
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
I suspect they had merely read Milton:
.. . . . God doth not need
Either Man's work or his own gifts, who best
Bears his milde yoak, they serve him best, his State
is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
And post o're Land and Ocean without rest:
They also serve who only stand and waite.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s322a7fb.015@CENTRAL_SVR2...
.. . . . God doth not need
Either Man's work or his own gifts, who best
Bears his milde yoak, they serve him best, his State
is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
And post o're Land and Ocean without rest:
They also serve who only stand and waite.
JSG
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s322a7fb.015@CENTRAL_SVR2...
"when he named one of the characters Zeal-of-the-Land Busy."
I puzzle though (given the Puritan's preoccupation with "doing") over
the naming of my cousin Wait-Still Winthrop. Were his parents
counter-cultural (I opine)?!
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Chris Phillips
Re: Nomenclature nonsense (OT)
And of course, if we get into Gypsy names, there are many more exotic
varieties - Reservoir is one of my favourites.
Chris Phillips
varieties - Reservoir is one of my favourites.
Chris Phillips
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:DIHUe.32976$YC1.24105@fe08.lga...
| A friend of mine once had a blind date with a woman named Barbara. He
went
| to her apartment and when the door bell was answered asked for
Barbara. It
| turned out that all three of the roommates were named Barbara.
|
| He was telling this story a few days later at the bar of a club we
belong
| to, and some one said, "they should put out a sign: Three Barbaras, no
| waiting."
|
| I remember this story with special fondness today, for tomorrow is the
| anniversary of my friend's death. He did not make it out of the World
Trade
| Center.
|
| JSG
God Bless Him -- And I Hope He Found The Barbara He Wanted.
DSH
news:DIHUe.32976$YC1.24105@fe08.lga...
| A friend of mine once had a blind date with a woman named Barbara. He
went
| to her apartment and when the door bell was answered asked for
Barbara. It
| turned out that all three of the roommates were named Barbara.
|
| He was telling this story a few days later at the bar of a club we
belong
| to, and some one said, "they should put out a sign: Three Barbaras, no
| waiting."
|
| I remember this story with special fondness today, for tomorrow is the
| anniversary of my friend's death. He did not make it out of the World
Trade
| Center.
|
| JSG
God Bless Him -- And I Hope He Found The Barbara He Wanted.
DSH
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Tony Hoskins: the naming of my cousin Wait-Still Winthrop
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
and waite."
JSG
---
Hello John,
You make a very good point. But these words from Milton (1608-1674)'s
Sonnet XIX, "When I consider how my Light is Spent", are difficult to
date precisely. Milton was virtually blind by 1652, and if his sonnets
are properly numbered chronologically it is thought, I believe, that
this sonnet could fairly properly be dated about 1655 or so. And Cousin
Wait-Still Winthrop was born in 1642.
I have always supposed John and Elizabeth (Reade) Winthrop had named
Wait-Still with a mind to waiting on the Holy Spirit: "Be still before
the Lord and wait patiently for Him." -- Psalm 37:7; also, "The Lord is
a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for Him!" -- Isaiah 30:18.
All best,
Tony
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> 09/10/05 01:56PM
I suspect they had merely read Milton: "They also serve who only stand
and waite."
JSG
---
Hello John,
You make a very good point. But these words from Milton (1608-1674)'s
Sonnet XIX, "When I consider how my Light is Spent", are difficult to
date precisely. Milton was virtually blind by 1652, and if his sonnets
are properly numbered chronologically it is thought, I believe, that
this sonnet could fairly properly be dated about 1655 or so. And Cousin
Wait-Still Winthrop was born in 1642.
I have always supposed John and Elizabeth (Reade) Winthrop had named
Wait-Still with a mind to waiting on the Holy Spirit: "Be still before
the Lord and wait patiently for Him." -- Psalm 37:7; also, "The Lord is
a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for Him!" -- Isaiah 30:18.
All best,
Tony
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Dear Tony, Spencer, Chris and Others,
The Milton quote
makes a lot of since, names in literature and now television and movies have a
way of getting into families. I have a relative whose middle name is
Evangeline, my mother`s father was named Wilfred and He had a cousin named Rowena. In
the nineteenth century especially there was a run on exotic names among
`plain` people , viz Cinderella, Lorenzo, Dorinda, Calista, Parthenia, Thais. One
other notable seventeenth /eighteenth century feminine name was Tryal also spelt
Trial. and then there was the bunch of boys named Benoni " son of sorrow',
especially if their mothers had been led astray by their fathers prior to their
marriage.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
The Milton quote
makes a lot of since, names in literature and now television and movies have a
way of getting into families. I have a relative whose middle name is
Evangeline, my mother`s father was named Wilfred and He had a cousin named Rowena. In
the nineteenth century especially there was a run on exotic names among
`plain` people , viz Cinderella, Lorenzo, Dorinda, Calista, Parthenia, Thais. One
other notable seventeenth /eighteenth century feminine name was Tryal also spelt
Trial. and then there was the bunch of boys named Benoni " son of sorrow',
especially if their mothers had been led astray by their fathers prior to their
marriage.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
Yes, names from popular novels were favorites -- and later from the
movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
the culture of a period.
DSH
<Jwc1870@aol.com> wrote in message news:1a2.3ba8c31d.3054c040@aol.com...
| Dear Tony, Spencer, Chris and Others,
| The Milton
quote
| makes a lot of since, names in literature and now television and
movies have a
| way of getting into families. I have a relative whose middle name is
| Evangeline, my mother`s father was named Wilfred and He had a cousin
named Rowena. In
| the nineteenth century especially there was a run on exotic names
among
| `plain` people , viz Cinderella, Lorenzo, Dorinda, Calista, Parthenia,
Thais. One
| other notable seventeenth /eighteenth century feminine name was Tryal
also spelt
| Trial. and then there was the bunch of boys named Benoni " son of
sorrow',
| especially if their mothers had been led astray by their fathers prior
to their
| marriage.
| Sincerely,
| James W Cummings
| Dixmont, Maine USA
movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
the culture of a period.
DSH
<Jwc1870@aol.com> wrote in message news:1a2.3ba8c31d.3054c040@aol.com...
| Dear Tony, Spencer, Chris and Others,
| The Milton
quote
| makes a lot of since, names in literature and now television and
movies have a
| way of getting into families. I have a relative whose middle name is
| Evangeline, my mother`s father was named Wilfred and He had a cousin
named Rowena. In
| the nineteenth century especially there was a run on exotic names
among
| `plain` people , viz Cinderella, Lorenzo, Dorinda, Calista, Parthenia,
Thais. One
| other notable seventeenth /eighteenth century feminine name was Tryal
also spelt
| Trial. and then there was the bunch of boys named Benoni " son of
sorrow',
| especially if their mothers had been led astray by their fathers prior
to their
| marriage.
| Sincerely,
| James W Cummings
| Dixmont, Maine USA
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Peter Stewart
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Kate Douglas Wiggin, author of _Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm_, wrote a book
title _The Story of Wait-Still Baxter_.
I never looked into the question, but supposed the name meant "Waiting yet"
(i.e. for the Second Coming), rather than "Waiting inactively" (i.e.
Twiddling-Thumbs).
Peter Stewart
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
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title _The Story of Wait-Still Baxter_.
I never looked into the question, but supposed the name meant "Waiting yet"
(i.e. for the Second Coming), rather than "Waiting inactively" (i.e.
Twiddling-Thumbs).
Peter Stewart
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s322eef6.066@CENTRAL_SVR2...
Tony Hoskins: the naming of my cousin Wait-Still Winthrop
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> 09/10/05 01:56PM
I suspect they had merely read Milton: "They also serve who only stand
and waite."
JSG
---
Hello John,
You make a very good point. But these words from Milton (1608-1674)'s
Sonnet XIX, "When I consider how my Light is Spent", are difficult to
date precisely. Milton was virtually blind by 1652, and if his sonnets
are properly numbered chronologically it is thought, I believe, that
this sonnet could fairly properly be dated about 1655 or so. And Cousin
Wait-Still Winthrop was born in 1642.
I have always supposed John and Elizabeth (Reade) Winthrop had named
Wait-Still with a mind to waiting on the Holy Spirit: "Be still before
the Lord and wait patiently for Him." -- Psalm 37:7; also, "The Lord is
a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for Him!" -- Isaiah 30:18.
All best,
Tony
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
I can remember my grandmother telling me of a Mr. and Mrs. Rose who had a
daughter whom they named Wylde. Wylde Rose sounds rather nice don't you
think? However, wouldn't you know it, Wylde eventually married a Mr. Bull.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
daughter whom they named Wylde. Wylde Rose sounds rather nice don't you
think? However, wouldn't you know it, Wylde eventually married a Mr. Bull.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:26:27 +0000 (UTC), hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us ("Tony
Hoskins") wrote:
To quote from the (original) *Dictionary of National Biography* entry for
Praisegod Barebones [vol. 1, p. 1073]:
"It has been stated that Barbon had two brothers, respectively
named 'Christ-came-into-the-world-to-save Barebone' and 'If-
Christ-had-not-died-thou-hadst-been-damned Barebone,'
abbreviated into 'Damned Barebone' (Granger, Biogr. Hist. of
England, iii. 68); but there is no proof of this."
Hoskins") wrote:
On a light note. Per various of our contributions of interesting and
amusing names, perhaps I'd be forgiven for OT-ing by quoting from Donald
Jacobus' _Genealogy As Pastime and Profession_ (1930, reprt. 1971), pp.
30-1:
"[a]mong the more unusual names we must not fail to mention Be-Fruitful
Brockett, who died in infancy, and Maybe Barnes. Just why Matthew and
Rhoda Blakeslee called their fifteenth child Careful, we shall not
attempt to surmise. At times these Puritan parents exhibited a woeful
lack of humor or else humor of a tasteless variety. We cannot suppose
that the parents of Preserved Fish, Green Plumb, or Ivory Keys (boys),
or those of Active Foote, Rhoda Bull, Rhoda Way, or Silence Noyes
(girls) intended a double entendre. On the other hand, the father of
Happy Sadd must have selected his son's name with deliverate malice, as
surely as Jonathan Rose intentionally alluded to the Song of Solomon
when he named his son Sharon."
To quote from the (original) *Dictionary of National Biography* entry for
Praisegod Barebones [vol. 1, p. 1073]:
"It has been stated that Barbon had two brothers, respectively
named 'Christ-came-into-the-world-to-save Barebone' and 'If-
Christ-had-not-died-thou-hadst-been-damned Barebone,'
abbreviated into 'Damned Barebone' (Granger, Biogr. Hist. of
England, iii. 68); but there is no proof of this."
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Another list of genuine odd names can be found in Anthony Camp's
'Everyone has Roots' (1978), p.130. Many of them form dreadful puns:
Adam Eve, King Fisher, Giver Batell, North South, Frostan Snow and
Ephraim Very Ott. Some of the more imaginative given names are those of
Climacteric Smith, Ghost Butteridge, Lamentation Caudle, Greediana
Tarboy, Battalion Shotbolt, Sex Sedula and the wonderful Slodden Jelly.
I'm always pleased to see hyphenated surnames that form a phrase- eg,
Hill-Walker, Page-Turner and Pine-Coffin.
'Everyone has Roots' (1978), p.130. Many of them form dreadful puns:
Adam Eve, King Fisher, Giver Batell, North South, Frostan Snow and
Ephraim Very Ott. Some of the more imaginative given names are those of
Climacteric Smith, Ghost Butteridge, Lamentation Caudle, Greediana
Tarboy, Battalion Shotbolt, Sex Sedula and the wonderful Slodden Jelly.
I'm always pleased to see hyphenated surnames that form a phrase- eg,
Hill-Walker, Page-Turner and Pine-Coffin.
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Chris Phillips
Re: Nomenclature nonsense (OT)
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
That reminds me of a couple of academics from my College days, Drs
Steele-Bodger and Tweedie-Waggott.
Chris Phillips
I'm always pleased to see hyphenated surnames that form a phrase- eg,
Hill-Walker, Page-Turner and Pine-Coffin.
That reminds me of a couple of academics from my College days, Drs
Steele-Bodger and Tweedie-Waggott.
Chris Phillips
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense (OT)
Chris Phillips wrote:
Another favourite came up today, namely Cave-Brown-Cave (or perhaps
C-Browne-C, with extra 'e').
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'm always pleased to see hyphenated surnames that form a phrase- eg,
Hill-Walker, Page-Turner and Pine-Coffin.
That reminds me of a couple of academics from my College days, Drs
Steele-Bodger and Tweedie-Waggott.
Chris Phillips
Another favourite came up today, namely Cave-Brown-Cave (or perhaps
C-Browne-C, with extra 'e').
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John Brandon
Re: Nomenclature nonsense (OT)
Another favourite came up today, namely Cave-Brown-Cave (or perhaps
C-Browne-C, with extra 'e').
Wasn't Elizabeth Barrett Browning born Elizabeth Barrett
Moulton-Barrett?
P.S. I'm pretty certain that Edward R. Moulton-Barrett, comp.
_Moulton-Barrett Family Trees_ shows that this family was related to
the New England Moultons.
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Chris Phillips
Re: Nomenclature nonsense (OT)
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
What a strange coincidence!
I almost added to those other two the chaplain at my college, the Rev.
Cave-Brown-Cave...
Chris Phillips
Another favourite came up today, namely Cave-Brown-Cave (or perhaps
C-Browne-C, with extra 'e').
What a strange coincidence!
I almost added to those other two the chaplain at my college, the Rev.
Cave-Brown-Cave...
Chris Phillips
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Brant Gibbard
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
On 12 Sep 2005 11:01:49 -0700, mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Purely by fluke I happen to have stumbled on the followin AP news item
on Yahoo just minutes before reading this thread:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... _odd_names
Brant Gibbard
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Another list of genuine odd names can be found in Anthony Camp's
'Everyone has Roots' (1978), p.130. Many of them form dreadful puns:
Adam Eve, King Fisher, Giver Batell, North South, Frostan Snow and
Ephraim Very Ott. Some of the more imaginative given names are those of
Climacteric Smith, Ghost Butteridge, Lamentation Caudle, Greediana
Tarboy, Battalion Shotbolt, Sex Sedula and the wonderful Slodden Jelly.
I'm always pleased to see hyphenated surnames that form a phrase- eg,
Hill-Walker, Page-Turner and Pine-Coffin.
Purely by fluke I happen to have stumbled on the followin AP news item
on Yahoo just minutes before reading this thread:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... _odd_names
Brant Gibbard
Toronto, ON
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Brant Gibbard wrote:
There are a lot of coincidences in the pursuit of genealogy... that
list is certainly a great addition to the roll-call of the
strangely-named; Cornwall may start a fashion among their fellow record
offices. The marriages are a good variation- not quite in the same
league, I was pleased to find that my wife descends from the 1788
marriage of William Feast and Anne Bosomworth.
Purely by fluke I happen to have stumbled on the followin AP news item
on Yahoo just minutes before reading this thread:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... _odd_names
Brant Gibbard
Toronto, ON
There are a lot of coincidences in the pursuit of genealogy... that
list is certainly a great addition to the roll-call of the
strangely-named; Cornwall may start a fashion among their fellow record
offices. The marriages are a good variation- not quite in the same
league, I was pleased to find that my wife descends from the 1788
marriage of William Feast and Anne Bosomworth.
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Gjest
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
My favourite pairing is that of Mr Trampleasure and Miss Busfun, claimed by
the late lamented Sir Harry Luke to have been married by him when he was a young
Colonial officer in the 1920s, in Cyprus or Palestine. Sorry, I do not
remember which.
And btw, thanks to Mr Stewart and our other Aussie members, and of course to
their splendid team, for their sporting attitude to the cricket games
MM
the late lamented Sir Harry Luke to have been married by him when he was a young
Colonial officer in the 1920s, in Cyprus or Palestine. Sorry, I do not
remember which.
And btw, thanks to Mr Stewart and our other Aussie members, and of course to
their splendid team, for their sporting attitude to the cricket games
MM
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Gjest
Re: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
============================================================
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
Date: 2005/09/10 Sat PM 08:36:19 EDT
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
Yes, names from popular novels were favorites -- and later from the
movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
the culture of a period.
DSH
When I was student-teaching, fully one quarter (1/4) of my male students were named 'Jason'. They were all born ca. 1972/3. I believe that that was the year of the release of _Jason and the Argonauts_.
Respectfully,
Ford
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
Date: 2005/09/10 Sat PM 08:36:19 EDT
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
Yes, names from popular novels were favorites -- and later from the
movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
the culture of a period.
DSH
When I was student-teaching, fully one quarter (1/4) of my male students were named 'Jason'. They were all born ca. 1972/3. I believe that that was the year of the release of _Jason and the Argonauts_.
Respectfully,
Ford
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
Bingo!
Great Point.
Heroes.
Cheers,
DSH
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|
| ============================================================
| From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
| Date: 2005/09/10 Sat PM 08:36:19 EDT
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
|
| Yes, names from popular novels were favorites -- and later from the
| movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
|
| Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
| the culture of a period.
|
| DSH
|
|
| When I was student-teaching, fully one quarter (1/4) of my male
students were named 'Jason'. They were all born ca. 1972/3. I believe
that that was the year of the release of _Jason and the Argonauts_.
| Respectfully,
| Ford
Great Point.
Heroes.
Cheers,
DSH
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|
| ============================================================
| From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
| Date: 2005/09/10 Sat PM 08:36:19 EDT
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
|
| Yes, names from popular novels were favorites -- and later from the
| movies and popular entertainers -- as we see today.
|
| Look at the naming patterns of children and you get a useful clue into
| the culture of a period.
|
| DSH
|
|
| When I was student-teaching, fully one quarter (1/4) of my male
students were named 'Jason'. They were all born ca. 1972/3. I believe
that that was the year of the release of _Jason and the Argonauts_.
| Respectfully,
| Ford
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Kelly Gray
Re: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
Speaking of naming patterns - why the use of names of flowers given to girls
born around 1890 - 1920?
ie "Rose".."Daisy"
Thanks
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Edward Crabtree
Re: Re: Nomenclature Nonsense
FWIW
My great grandmother, born 1892, falling within that time range... was named
Lilly A. Pavese. One of her sisters was named Rose. The other siblings had
somewhat normal names.
Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com
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My great grandmother, born 1892, falling within that time range... was named
Lilly A. Pavese. One of her sisters was named Rose. The other siblings had
somewhat normal names.
Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
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Vickie Elam White
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
My husband descends from Sibyl TINCKNELL,
wife of John BIBBLE of Hull, MA. "Sibyl Bibble"
just rolls off the tongue!
Vickie Elam White
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s33bb20d.066@CENTRAL_SVR2...
wife of John BIBBLE of Hull, MA. "Sibyl Bibble"
just rolls off the tongue!
Vickie Elam White
""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s33bb20d.066@CENTRAL_SVR2...
"'Eva Ora'. She lived long enough for Dennis to have chatted with her.
Her name was actually 'Ena Ova'."
Wonderful name! Sometimes though I wonder at the heedlessness with
which parents have bestowed "challenging" names on daughters. What might
the future hold if they marry an "incompatible name?" Case in point: my
old friend DeeDee Beers who married Jack Doodie. Here's a thought: what
if Ena Ova had married Lee Iacocca? "What a euphonious appellation" that
would heve been!
Tony
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"'Eva Ora'. She lived long enough for Dennis to have chatted with her.
Her name was actually 'Ena Ova'."
Wonderful name! Sometimes though I wonder at the heedlessness with
which parents have bestowed "challenging" names on daughters. What might
the future hold if they marry an "incompatible name?" Case in point: my
old friend DeeDee Beers who married Jack Doodie. Here's a thought: what
if Ena Ova had married Lee Iacocca? "What a euphonious appellation" that
would heve been!
Tony
Her name was actually 'Ena Ova'."
Wonderful name! Sometimes though I wonder at the heedlessness with
which parents have bestowed "challenging" names on daughters. What might
the future hold if they marry an "incompatible name?" Case in point: my
old friend DeeDee Beers who married Jack Doodie. Here's a thought: what
if Ena Ova had married Lee Iacocca? "What a euphonious appellation" that
would heve been!
Tony
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Ford Mommaerts-Browne
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nomenclature nonsense
I think that I mentioned an ROTC battalion-mate, Barb Rose, who married
another b-m, (no pun intended), Jesse Bush, and became Barb Rose-Bush.
Reminds me of Corky Sherwood, (from Murphy Brown), who almost cancelled her
wedding to her high-school sweetheart, Greg Forest, when she realized that
she was becoming Corky Sherwood-Forest. I do like the thought of Ena Ova
Iacocca. I saw in some celeb. rag., today, that some starlet named Lauren
something, (I wasn't impressed enough to remember her full name), was
dating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph Loren, so she could
become Lauren Loren.
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"'Eva Ora'. She lived long enough for Dennis to have chatted with her.
Her name was actually 'Ena Ova'."
Wonderful name! Sometimes though I wonder at the heedlessness with
which parents have bestowed "challenging" names on daughters. What might
the future hold if they marry an "incompatible name?" Case in point: my
old friend DeeDee Beers who married Jack Doodie. Here's a thought: what
if Ena Ova had married Lee Iacocca? "What a euphonious appellation" that
would heve been!
Tony
I think that I mentioned an ROTC battalion-mate, Barb Rose, who married
another b-m, (no pun intended), Jesse Bush, and became Barb Rose-Bush.
Reminds me of Corky Sherwood, (from Murphy Brown), who almost cancelled her
wedding to her high-school sweetheart, Greg Forest, when she realized that
she was becoming Corky Sherwood-Forest. I do like the thought of Ena Ova
Iacocca. I saw in some celeb. rag., today, that some starlet named Lauren
something, (I wasn't impressed enough to remember her full name), was
dating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph Loren, so she could
become Lauren Loren.
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"I saw in some celeb. rag., today, that some starlet named Lauren
something wasdating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph
Loren, so she couldbecome Lauren Loren."
Remember "Laugh In"? They would now and then spoof unlikely couples'
names. I'll always fondly remember the time they captioned, "Happy 50th
Anniversary, Genghis and Sylvia Khan!"
Tony
something wasdating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph
Loren, so she couldbecome Lauren Loren."
Remember "Laugh In"? They would now and then spoof unlikely couples'
names. I'll always fondly remember the time they captioned, "Happy 50th
Anniversary, Genghis and Sylvia Khan!"
Tony
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the_verminator@comcast.ne
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
Or Wanda Hughes marrying Henry Kissenger.. she be Wanda
Hughes-Kissinger now !
--
The Verminator
"I saw in some celeb. rag., today, that some starlet named Lauren
something wasdating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph
Loren, so she couldbecome Lauren Loren."
Remember "Laugh In"? They would now and then spoof unlikely couples'
names. I'll always fondly remember the time they captioned, "Happy 50th
Anniversary, Genghis and Sylvia Khan!"
Tony
Or Wanda Hughes marrying Henry Kissenger.. she be Wanda
Hughes-Kissinger now !
--
The Verminator
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Ford Mommaerts-Browne
Re: Nomenclature nonsense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Nomenclature nonsense
Then there were their 'if' marriages. E.g.: If actress Kaye Ballard
married former astronaut Wally Shira, then divorced him and married his
brother, she'd be Kaye Shira Shira.
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Nomenclature nonsense
"I saw in some celeb. rag., today, that some starlet named Lauren
something wasdating, (and could conceivably marry), the son of Ralph
Loren, so she couldbecome Lauren Loren."
Remember "Laugh In"? They would now and then spoof unlikely couples'
names. I'll always fondly remember the time they captioned, "Happy 50th
Anniversary, Genghis and Sylvia Khan!"
Tony
Then there were their 'if' marriages. E.g.: If actress Kaye Ballard
married former astronaut Wally Shira, then divorced him and married his
brother, she'd be Kaye Shira Shira.