Curwen -- c-o-a

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Curwen -- c-o-a

Legg inn av BarBara » 31 aug 2005 23:09:02

Thanks to Cris and John for their replies. I appreciate your taking the time
to answer my query.

So -- using a c-o-a to which he might not have been entitled was probably no
big deal in early America. I have to admit I'm surprised -- but I'm glad to
find that out..

Where could I go online to try to find who, if anyone, had Curwen arms w/a
crescent???

Best, BarBara

Gjest

Re: Curwen -- c-o-a

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 aug 2005 23:09:03

One example would be Curwen of Wokington, Cumberland, according to the
tomb of the son and heir who died and was buried at Amersham, Bucks.
His monument still stands in the chancel, and is surmounted by a fully
coloured marble achievement with only a label for difference. The text
reads as follows:

Percipietis imarcescibilem/ Gloriae Coronam/ 1 Pet: 5. 4./ The
depositum of Henry Curwen Esq., onely Son of Sr. Patricius Curwen of
Workington/ in the Coun: of Cumberland Baronet and the Lady Isabella
his Wife, one of the Daughters/ and Co-heires of Sr. George Selby of
Whitehouse in the Coun: Palatine of Durham Kt., de=/ =scended from the
noble Familie of the Gospatricks Earles of Northumberland & of his/
house the 23d in lineall descent since the Conquest, who was sent
hither to be instruc=/ ted in learning under the tuition of Charles
Croke D:D: and Rector of this Church,/ wherein having proceeded to the
love and admiration of all that knew him, at 14 yeares/ of age he
deceased leaving his absent Parents full of sorrow, whose love doth
thus/ expresse it selfe in the sad memorie of him whereunto they have
dedicated this Monument./ Obiit August 21, Anno Domini 1636. [Henry
Curwen buried 23.8.1636 - Parish Register]

I haven't got a note of the trick on me, but I seem to recall it is
argent, fretty gules, or similar.

Stirnet has an online stemma for the Curwens, the accuracy of which I
cannot comment on, at:

http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... rwen01.htm

MAR

Gjest

Re: Curwen -- c-o-a

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 aug 2005 23:19:41

"Wokington" supra should read "Workington" of course - I am a rubbish
typist. (Any peculiar spellings in my transcript of the MI however are
not mine.)

If you would like, BarBara, I can check the achievement over the
weekend - I see it each Sunday.

Michael

Chris Dickinson

Re: Curwen -- c-o-a

Legg inn av Chris Dickinson » 01 sep 2005 05:16:03

BarBara wrote:


Where could I go online to try to find who, if anyone, had Curwen arms w/a
crescent???


Can't help ... but the Curwens of Camerton had an escallop!

Argent fretty Gules on a chief Azure an escallop of the first
Crest: A unicorn's head


So -- using a c-o-a to which he might not have been entitled was probably
no
big deal in early America. I have to admit I'm surprised -- but I'm glad to
find that out..

I would think that it would have been a bigger deal in America than in
England! Much easier to get away with such a pretence in a bustling city
like London or Bristol than in the colonies.

I don't think there should be any surprise about people using arms to which
they aren't entitled. I bet if you went round an average old English
churchyard, you would be hard put to justify more than a few of the arms on
display.

My family, for instance, (who, like the Curwens, live in the Workington
area) assumed their arms in about 1700 - about 70 years after the event you
have described. I'm not sure how much dishonesty was involved! I suspect
that the family simply thought - ah, a Dickinson coat of arms. That's useful
.... and appropriated it! Other families in the area with the surname then
stole the coat from us over the next century :-)

Chris

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