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King's Kinsfolk: Gian Galeazzo Visconti, kinsman of King Ric

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 31 aug 2005 18:09:18

Dear Newsgroup ~

The book, The Diplomatic Correspondence of Richard II, edited by
Eduoard Perroy (Camden Soc. 3rd ser. 48) (1933), contains an undated
letter from King Richard II of England addressed to his kinsman
["consanguineo"], Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus:

pg. 179: "Richardus etc., nobili et potenti viri Galiacio, comiti de
Verteyn, consanguineo nostro carissimo ..."

Checking an online edition of Froissart, edited by Steve Muhlberger
(http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/his ... ERNABO.HTM),
I find that the Count of Vertus in 1385 was Gian Galeazzo Visconti
(otherwise just Galeazzo Visconti), afterwards Duke of Milan. The
account in Froissart reads as follows:

"At this period, another marvellous event happened in Lombardy, which
was the subject of general conversation. The count de Vertus, whose
name was John Galeas Visconti, and his uncle were the greatest
personages in all Lombardy. Sir Galeas and sir Bernabo were brothers,
and had peaceably reigned and governed that country. One of these lords
possessed nine cities, and the other ten; the city of Milan was under
their government alternately, one year each. When sir Galeas, the
father of the count de Vertus, died, the affections of the uncle for
his nephew were much weakened; and sir Galeas suspected, that now his
father was dead, his uncle Bernabo would seize his lordships, in like
manner as sir Galeas, his father, and uncle Bernabo had done to their
brother sir Matthew, whom they had put to death. The count de Vertus
was very suspicious, and plainly showed that he had his fears of this
event taking place. However, by his actions and the capture he made, he
proved himself the more subtle of the two." END OF QUOTE.

Research indicates that King Richard II and Gian Galeazzo Visconti,
then Count of Vertus, were related in the 5th and 8th degrees of
kindred by way of common descent from Saint Fernando, King of Castile
and Leon (died 1252) as follows:

l. [St.] Fernando III, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Eleanor of Castile, married Edward I, King of England.
3. Edward II, King of England.
4. Edward III, King of England.
5. Edward the Black Prince, Prince of Wales.
6. Richard II, King of England.

1. [St.] Fernando, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Alfonso X, King of Castile and Leon.
3. Beatrice of Castile, married Guillermo, Marquis of Montferrato.
4. Yolande of Montferrato, married Andronicus II Palaiologos, Emperor
of Byzantium.
5. Theodore I Palaiologos, Marquis of Montferrato.
6. Yolande of Montferrato, married Aymone, Count of Savoy.
7. Bianca Maria of Savoy, married Galeazzo II Visconti.
8. Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus in 1385, afterwards Duke of
Milan.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

CE Wood

Re: King's Kinsfolk: Gian Galeazzo Visconti, kinsman of King

Legg inn av CE Wood » 31 aug 2005 20:08:21

They are also both descendants of Tomasso I, Comte de Savoy, and
Beatrix de Geneve:

Tomasso I de Savoy
Beatrix de Savoy
Eleonore de Provence
Edward I of England
Edmund, Earl of Kent
Joan, the Fair Maid of Kent
Richard II of England

Tomasso I de Savoy
Tomasso II de Savoy
Amadeo V de Savoy
Aymore de Savoy
Blanca Maria de Savoy
Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Duca di Milan

CE Wood


Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

The book, The Diplomatic Correspondence of Richard II, edited by
Eduoard Perroy (Camden Soc. 3rd ser. 48) (1933), contains an undated
letter from King Richard II of England addressed to his kinsman
["consanguineo"], Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus:

pg. 179: "Richardus etc., nobili et potenti viri Galiacio, comiti de
Verteyn, consanguineo nostro carissimo ..."

Checking an online edition of Froissart, edited by Steve Muhlberger
(http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/his ... ERNABO.HTM),
I find that the Count of Vertus in 1385 was Gian Galeazzo Visconti
(otherwise just Galeazzo Visconti), afterwards Duke of Milan. The
account in Froissart reads as follows:

"At this period, another marvellous event happened in Lombardy, which
was the subject of general conversation. The count de Vertus, whose
name was John Galeas Visconti, and his uncle were the greatest
personages in all Lombardy. Sir Galeas and sir Bernabo were brothers,
and had peaceably reigned and governed that country. One of these lords
possessed nine cities, and the other ten; the city of Milan was under
their government alternately, one year each. When sir Galeas, the
father of the count de Vertus, died, the affections of the uncle for
his nephew were much weakened; and sir Galeas suspected, that now his
father was dead, his uncle Bernabo would seize his lordships, in like
manner as sir Galeas, his father, and uncle Bernabo had done to their
brother sir Matthew, whom they had put to death. The count de Vertus
was very suspicious, and plainly showed that he had his fears of this
event taking place. However, by his actions and the capture he made, he
proved himself the more subtle of the two." END OF QUOTE.

Research indicates that King Richard II and Gian Galeazzo Visconti,
then Count of Vertus, were related in the 5th and 8th degrees of
kindred by way of common descent from Saint Fernando, King of Castile
and Leon (died 1252) as follows:

l. [St.] Fernando III, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Eleanor of Castile, married Edward I, King of England.
3. Edward II, King of England.
4. Edward III, King of England.
5. Edward the Black Prince, Prince of Wales.
6. Richard II, King of England.

1. [St.] Fernando, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Alfonso X, King of Castile and Leon.
3. Beatrice of Castile, married Guillermo, Marquis of Montferrato.
4. Yolande of Montferrato, married Andronicus II Palaiologos, Emperor
of Byzantium.
5. Theodore I Palaiologos, Marquis of Montferrato.
6. Yolande of Montferrato, married Aymone, Count of Savoy.
7. Bianca Maria of Savoy, married Galeazzo II Visconti.
8. Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus in 1385, afterwards Duke of
Milan.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: King's Kinsfolk: Gian Galeazzo Visconti, kinsman of King

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 31 aug 2005 20:27:39

Dear Carolyn ~

Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.

Yes, you are correct there would be another kinship within the 5th
degree on one side through the Savoy family. Richard II would actually
have this kinship twice, as he descends from the Savoy family through
both of his parents.

Again, thanks for your contribution.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


CE Wood wrote:
They are also both descendants of Tomasso I, Comte de Savoy, and
Beatrix de Geneve:

Tomasso I de Savoy
Beatrix de Savoy
Eleonore de Provence
Edward I of England
Edmund, Earl of Kent
Joan, the Fair Maid of Kent
Richard II of England

Tomasso I de Savoy
Tomasso II de Savoy
Amadeo V de Savoy
Aymore de Savoy
Blanca Maria de Savoy
Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Duca di Milan

CE Wood


Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

The book, The Diplomatic Correspondence of Richard II, edited by
Eduoard Perroy (Camden Soc. 3rd ser. 48) (1933), contains an undated
letter from King Richard II of England addressed to his kinsman
["consanguineo"], Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus:

pg. 179: "Richardus etc., nobili et potenti viri Galiacio, comiti de
Verteyn, consanguineo nostro carissimo ..."

Checking an online edition of Froissart, edited by Steve Muhlberger
(http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/his ... ERNABO.HTM),
I find that the Count of Vertus in 1385 was Gian Galeazzo Visconti
(otherwise just Galeazzo Visconti), afterwards Duke of Milan. The
account in Froissart reads as follows:

"At this period, another marvellous event happened in Lombardy, which
was the subject of general conversation. The count de Vertus, whose
name was John Galeas Visconti, and his uncle were the greatest
personages in all Lombardy. Sir Galeas and sir Bernabo were brothers,
and had peaceably reigned and governed that country. One of these lords
possessed nine cities, and the other ten; the city of Milan was under
their government alternately, one year each. When sir Galeas, the
father of the count de Vertus, died, the affections of the uncle for
his nephew were much weakened; and sir Galeas suspected, that now his
father was dead, his uncle Bernabo would seize his lordships, in like
manner as sir Galeas, his father, and uncle Bernabo had done to their
brother sir Matthew, whom they had put to death. The count de Vertus
was very suspicious, and plainly showed that he had his fears of this
event taking place. However, by his actions and the capture he made, he
proved himself the more subtle of the two." END OF QUOTE.

Research indicates that King Richard II and Gian Galeazzo Visconti,
then Count of Vertus, were related in the 5th and 8th degrees of
kindred by way of common descent from Saint Fernando, King of Castile
and Leon (died 1252) as follows:

l. [St.] Fernando III, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Eleanor of Castile, married Edward I, King of England.
3. Edward II, King of England.
4. Edward III, King of England.
5. Edward the Black Prince, Prince of Wales.
6. Richard II, King of England.

1. [St.] Fernando, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Alfonso X, King of Castile and Leon.
3. Beatrice of Castile, married Guillermo, Marquis of Montferrato.
4. Yolande of Montferrato, married Andronicus II Palaiologos, Emperor
of Byzantium.
5. Theodore I Palaiologos, Marquis of Montferrato.
6. Yolande of Montferrato, married Aymone, Count of Savoy.
7. Bianca Maria of Savoy, married Galeazzo II Visconti.
8. Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus in 1385, afterwards Duke of
Milan.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Leo van de Pas

Re: King's Kinsfolk: Gian Galeazzo Visconti, kinsman of King

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 31 aug 2005 20:59:01

I rather stick to the modern counting of relationships. Here they are shown
to be 4th cousins twice removed. They also are 5th cousins once removed
which I suppose amounts to the same distance in relationship.

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Dear Newsgroup ~

The book, The Diplomatic Correspondence of Richard II, edited by
Eduoard Perroy (Camden Soc. 3rd ser. 48) (1933), contains an undated
letter from King Richard II of England addressed to his kinsman
["consanguineo"], Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus:

pg. 179: "Richardus etc., nobili et potenti viri Galiacio, comiti de
Verteyn, consanguineo nostro carissimo ..."

Checking an online edition of Froissart, edited by Steve Muhlberger
(http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/his ... ERNABO.HTM),
I find that the Count of Vertus in 1385 was Gian Galeazzo Visconti
(otherwise just Galeazzo Visconti), afterwards Duke of Milan. The
account in Froissart reads as follows:

"At this period, another marvellous event happened in Lombardy, which
was the subject of general conversation. The count de Vertus, whose
name was John Galeas Visconti, and his uncle were the greatest
personages in all Lombardy. Sir Galeas and sir Bernabo were brothers,
and had peaceably reigned and governed that country. One of these lords
possessed nine cities, and the other ten; the city of Milan was under
their government alternately, one year each. When sir Galeas, the
father of the count de Vertus, died, the affections of the uncle for
his nephew were much weakened; and sir Galeas suspected, that now his
father was dead, his uncle Bernabo would seize his lordships, in like
manner as sir Galeas, his father, and uncle Bernabo had done to their
brother sir Matthew, whom they had put to death. The count de Vertus
was very suspicious, and plainly showed that he had his fears of this
event taking place. However, by his actions and the capture he made, he
proved himself the more subtle of the two." END OF QUOTE.

Research indicates that King Richard II and Gian Galeazzo Visconti,
then Count of Vertus, were related in the 5th and 8th degrees of
kindred by way of common descent from Saint Fernando, King of Castile
and Leon (died 1252) as follows:

l. [St.] Fernando III, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Eleanor of Castile, married Edward I, King of England.
3. Edward II, King of England.
4. Edward III, King of England.
5. Edward the Black Prince, Prince of Wales.
6. Richard II, King of England.

1. [St.] Fernando, King of Castile and Leon, died 1252.
2. Alfonso X, King of Castile and Leon.
3. Beatrice of Castile, married Guillermo, Marquis of Montferrato.
4. Yolande of Montferrato, married Andronicus II Palaiologos, Emperor
of Byzantium.
5. Theodore I Palaiologos, Marquis of Montferrato.
6. Yolande of Montferrato, married Aymone, Count of Savoy.
7. Bianca Maria of Savoy, married Galeazzo II Visconti.
8. Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Count of Vertus in 1385, afterwards Duke of
Milan.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Gjest

Re: King's Kinsfolk: Gian Galeazzo Visconti, kinsman of King

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 aug 2005 22:03:17

These "kinship" posts are interesting and pose challenges - please do
continue to post them.

MAR

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