Dear List,
A while ago there was a discussion of the burial places of the two
Bartholomew Burghersh shown in CP Vol II p 425
The elder B B died 1355 and is recorded by CP as being buried in the Grey
Friars, London. He is often referred to as 3rd Baron, but it seems to me he
was 1st Baron by a 2nd creation, the original title would, if modern rules were
used, devolve to the family of Maud d&h of Stephen the elder brother of
Bartholomew Burghersh. John Stow in his Survey of London p 287 records the
burial of Bartholomew Burwashe and John Burwashe his son in Grey Friars. Ancient
Funeral Monuments 1631 by John Weever states that those buried at Christ
Church (founded by Q Margaret, Ed I's 2nd wife) alias Grey Friers are as set down
by Stow, but now (ie by 1631) all monuments have been removed or wholy
defaced, some stones being sold off in 1545
His son, the younger B B died 1369 his Will directing an elaborate burial
and tomb at Walsingham, Norfolk. (A priory destroyed temp Hy VIII.) I have
just been sent an email by someone who was on the archaeological dig at
Walsingham in 1961, an elaborate tomb was excavated and was identified as Bartholomew
Burghersh as its location matched the instructions given in his will. I am
told that this find was written up in Journal of British Archaeology, but I
don't know the volume number, presumably in or soon after 1961
As to the elder B B, Lincoln Cathedral tradition states that he was buried
in the cathedral also with an elaborate tomb and in fact there are a number of
Burghersh family tombs at Lincoln, Bartholomew's brother Henry being bishop
of Lincoln. If so CP must be wrong, the Bartholomew in Grey Friars as
recorded by Stow must be someone else, but judging by the class of those buried at
Grey Friars (Weever states 4 queens, 4 duchess 4 countess, 1 duke, 2 earls, 8
barons and about 30 knights), the B B buried there was also likely to be a
man of substance.
A good Web site on Lincoln Cathedral, with the monuments there can be found
at:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/G ... Britain/En
gland/_Topics/churches/_Texts/KINCAT*/Lincoln/1.html
Don't forget to read the footnote:-
Lord Bartholomew Burghersh, died 43 Edward III: Reader Juanita Knapp,
pointing out that the effigy in late 15c armour could not be that of Burghersh who
died in the 14c, has kindly provided further information for those inclined
to follow up the identification:
The Tomb Attributed to Bartholomew Lord Burghersh in Lincoln Cathedral, by
L. A. S. Butler, The Archaeological Journal, Vol. 159 (2002), pp109‑141.
I do not have access to these Archaeological Journals
Adrian
Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
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John Brandon
Re: Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
This may have something (I remember seeing the Burghershes discussed):
Anne McGee Morganstern, _Gothic Tombs of Kinship in France, the Low
Countries, and England_ (Pennsylvania State Univ. Press, 2000).
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Anne McGee Morganstern, _Gothic Tombs of Kinship in France, the Low
Countries, and England_ (Pennsylvania State Univ. Press, 2000).
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Dear List,
A while ago there was a discussion of the burial places of the two
Bartholomew Burghersh shown in CP Vol II p 425
The elder B B died 1355 and is recorded by CP as being buried in the Grey
Friars, London. He is often referred to as 3rd Baron, but it seems to me he
was 1st Baron by a 2nd creation, the original title would, if modern rules were
used, devolve to the family of Maud d&h of Stephen the elder brother of
Bartholomew Burghersh. John Stow in his Survey of London p 287 records the
burial of Bartholomew Burwashe and John Burwashe his son in Grey Friars. Ancient
Funeral Monuments 1631 by John Weever states that those buried at Christ
Church (founded by Q Margaret, Ed I's 2nd wife) alias Grey Friers are as set down
by Stow, but now (ie by 1631) all monuments have been removed or wholy
defaced, some stones being sold off in 1545
His son, the younger B B died 1369 his Will directing an elaborate burial
and tomb at Walsingham, Norfolk. (A priory destroyed temp Hy VIII.) I have
just been sent an email by someone who was on the archaeological dig at
Walsingham in 1961, an elaborate tomb was excavated and was identified as Bartholomew
Burghersh as its location matched the instructions given in his will. I am
told that this find was written up in Journal of British Archaeology, but I
don't know the volume number, presumably in or soon after 1961
As to the elder B B, Lincoln Cathedral tradition states that he was buried
in the cathedral also with an elaborate tomb and in fact there are a number of
Burghersh family tombs at Lincoln, Bartholomew's brother Henry being bishop
of Lincoln. If so CP must be wrong, the Bartholomew in Grey Friars as
recorded by Stow must be someone else, but judging by the class of those buried at
Grey Friars (Weever states 4 queens, 4 duchess 4 countess, 1 duke, 2 earls, 8
barons and about 30 knights), the B B buried there was also likely to be a
man of substance.
A good Web site on Lincoln Cathedral, with the monuments there can be found
at:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/G ... Britain/En
gland/_Topics/churches/_Texts/KINCAT*/Lincoln/1.html
Don't forget to read the footnote:-
Lord Bartholomew Burghersh, died 43 Edward III: Reader Juanita Knapp,
pointing out that the effigy in late 15c armour could not be that of Burghersh who
died in the 14c, has kindly provided further information for those inclined
to follow up the identification:
The Tomb Attributed to Bartholomew Lord Burghersh in Lincoln Cathedral, by
L. A. S. Butler, The Archaeological Journal, Vol. 159 (2002), pp109-141.
I do not have access to these Archaeological Journals
Adrian
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Gjest
Re: Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
I have photographs of the Burgersh tombs at Lincoln which I could scan
and email if they might be of interest.
According to the 1676 edition of Dugdale's Baronage sub Burgersh, the
Burgersh chantry in St Catherine's Chapel at Lincoln was established by
Sir Roger Swillington pursuant to a licence 20 Richard II [the
reference given is Pat 20 Rich II p 3 m 23] "for the health of the soul
of Kinf Edward III, Bartholomew [2nd] Lord Burgersh and his ancestors.
[I agree that the elder Bartholomew was the 1st Lord of the 2nd
creation (! Edward III), the first (32 Edward I) having fallen to Maud
Paveley daughter and heir of Stephen, 2nd Lord Burgersh, eldest brother
of Bishop Henry and the elder Bartholomew].
The third Burgersh tomb at Lincoln is assigned to Robert, whom the text
in the link attached above refers to as the "younger brother of the
Bishop" - I seem to recall from visiting that it is normally attributed
to Robert, 1st Lord Burgersh, father of Stephen, Bishop Henry and the
elder Bartholomew, and am unaware of any purported brother they had
named Robert.
Another problem is identifying who "John" the son of "Bartholomew
Burwash" is. The elder B B is known to have had a son Henry, who died
in 1348; a son Bartholomew, who succeeded him, was KG etc; a son
Thomas, clerk in Holy Orders; and two daughters - Countess of Kildare
and Lady Mohun of Dunster respectively.
There is, of course, and otherwise unplaced John Burgersh: Sir John B,
whose wife Maud brought him the lordship of Ewelme in Oxfordshire and
who was great-grandfather of the famour Alice Chaucer, Duchess of
Suffolk, but I am unsure whether the chronology would allow him to be
placed as a son of the elder BB (sometimes it is suggested he was
another brother). At least this shows that John was a family name at
the time.
MAR
and email if they might be of interest.
According to the 1676 edition of Dugdale's Baronage sub Burgersh, the
Burgersh chantry in St Catherine's Chapel at Lincoln was established by
Sir Roger Swillington pursuant to a licence 20 Richard II [the
reference given is Pat 20 Rich II p 3 m 23] "for the health of the soul
of Kinf Edward III, Bartholomew [2nd] Lord Burgersh and his ancestors.
[I agree that the elder Bartholomew was the 1st Lord of the 2nd
creation (! Edward III), the first (32 Edward I) having fallen to Maud
Paveley daughter and heir of Stephen, 2nd Lord Burgersh, eldest brother
of Bishop Henry and the elder Bartholomew].
The third Burgersh tomb at Lincoln is assigned to Robert, whom the text
in the link attached above refers to as the "younger brother of the
Bishop" - I seem to recall from visiting that it is normally attributed
to Robert, 1st Lord Burgersh, father of Stephen, Bishop Henry and the
elder Bartholomew, and am unaware of any purported brother they had
named Robert.
Another problem is identifying who "John" the son of "Bartholomew
Burwash" is. The elder B B is known to have had a son Henry, who died
in 1348; a son Bartholomew, who succeeded him, was KG etc; a son
Thomas, clerk in Holy Orders; and two daughters - Countess of Kildare
and Lady Mohun of Dunster respectively.
There is, of course, and otherwise unplaced John Burgersh: Sir John B,
whose wife Maud brought him the lordship of Ewelme in Oxfordshire and
who was great-grandfather of the famour Alice Chaucer, Duchess of
Suffolk, but I am unsure whether the chronology would allow him to be
placed as a son of the elder BB (sometimes it is suggested he was
another brother). At least this shows that John was a family name at
the time.
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
John Brandon wrote:
According to Amazon, this work includes the following:
"Appendix VII: The Program of the Tomb of Henry
Burghersh, Bishop of Lincoln (d. 1340), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS
Appendix VIII: The Program of the Tomb of Sir
Robert Burghersh (d. 1306), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS
Appendix IX: The Program of the Tomb of Sir
Bartholomew Burghersh (d. 1355), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS"
List price is $65.
(not sure what a numismatist would bring to the party...)
MAR
This may have something (I remember seeing the Burghershes >discussed):
Anne McGee Morganstern, _Gothic Tombs of Kinship in France, the Low
Countries, and England_ (Pennsylvania State Univ. Press, 2000).
According to Amazon, this work includes the following:
"Appendix VII: The Program of the Tomb of Henry
Burghersh, Bishop of Lincoln (d. 1340), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS
Appendix VIII: The Program of the Tomb of Sir
Robert Burghersh (d. 1306), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS
Appendix IX: The Program of the Tomb of Sir
Bartholomew Burghersh (d. 1355), with John A. Goodall, FSA, FRNS"
List price is $65.
(not sure what a numismatist would bring to the party...)
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
From 'The Cathedral Church of Lincoln' by A. Kendrick, 1898:
"In the north-east corner of the choir is a group of monuments to a
family which derived its name from Burghersh or Burwash in Sussex. Here
was the chantry of St. Catherine, founded by Bartholomew, Lord
Burghersh, for the soul of his brother Henry and their father, Robert
Burghersh... "
"Leland, in referring to the 'Burwasche' family, says that "they
foundyd 5 Prists, and 5 pore Scollars at Gramar Schole in Lyncolne."
Henry Burghersh was Bishop of Lincoln from 1320 to 1340. He was the
third or fourth son of Sir Robert Burghersh, Lord Burghersh... The
monument is of stone, with a fine recumbent effigy of the bishop on the
top, now much defaced. His mitre is supported by two angels. Along the
north side of the monument runs an arcade of five arches, within each
of which are two seated figures, whose armorial shields appear in the
spandrels above. First (at the head) is Edward III; then follow his
four sons: Edward, the Black Prince, Lionel, Duke of Clarence, John of
Gaunt, and Edmund, Duke of York; next is Henry, Duke of Lancaster,
whose daughter, Blanche, married John of Gaunt. The other effigies are
those of persons allied with the Burghersh family. On the other side of
the monument are four panels of Gothic tracery with shields of arms".
"Next to this is another Burghersh monument, which authorities do not
seem to be quite agreed about. Leland, after speaking of the bishop's
tomb, says: 'there is also buried at his Fete, Robart, his Brothar, a
Knighte
of great Fame in the Warrs.' But the general opinion seems to be that
Robert was not the brother, but the father, of Henry and Bartholomew.
This
tomb is of similar style to the former, having figures beneath arches
on
one side, and shields of arms on the other. The effigy is gone from the
top. The elaborate Gothic canopies which originally surmounted both
tombs
were much injured by boys clambering upon them, and, becoming unsafe at
last, were removed in the early part of the present [19th] century.
Against the opposite wall, within a recessed arch under the easternmost
window, is the monument of Henry's elder brother, Bartholomew, Lord
Burghersh (d. 1355) a soldier of much renown... The armorial shields of
the persons originally represented beneath the arches still remain in
the spandrels. The effigy shows him clad in plate armour, and reclining
on his helmet; two angels at the head uphold the shield of his family,
and two others at the foot bear away in a cloth the deceased warrior's
soul. The canopy over the tomb bears the arms of Edward III and his
four sons (the same as on the tomb of his brother the bishop), together
with the shield of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster and Lincoln.
"A detailed account of the shields of arms on the Burghersh tombs may
be
found in the Lincoln volume (1848) of the Archaeological Institute."
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Two Bartholomew Burgersh but three tombs
PS Regardless of the assumed misidentification of Robert B, it might be
interesting to see exactly what Leland wrote about the third tomb (the
text is not quoted by Kendrick supra), given that his Itinerary
(1534-43) predated Stow (1598) by 50 to 60 years.
interesting to see exactly what Leland wrote about the third tomb (the
text is not quoted by Kendrick supra), given that his Itinerary
(1534-43) predated Stow (1598) by 50 to 60 years.