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John Rykhill

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 20 aug 2005 02:00:02

Inquisition at Winchelsea 2 Henry V (1415)
John Rykhill, as in his right of Joan his wife and Elizabeth her sister, daughters of William, Lord Echyngham, Knight and of Joan his wife have land which descended to them by hereditary right on the death of Joan their mother and held of the king in chief by fee-farm ete etc

Most records have Joan Echyngham, daughter of William Echyngham married to William Rykhill. A Kent will for William Rykhill dated 1406 and he mentions his wife Rose and she leaves a will also and mentions sons William and John. I would suspect that John the son is the husband. Also most records has Joan and Elizabeth as daughters of Alice Batisford lst wife of William Echyngham and Joan Fitzalan his second. This Elizabeth Echyngham goes on to marry Thomas Hoo who died 1420

Need to straighten out the Rykhill connection as well as mother of these girls. Any comments appreciated .



Charlotsmith@prodigy.net

Gjest

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 sep 2005 11:27:45

charlotte Smith wrote:
Inquisition at Winchelsea 2 Henry V (1415)
John Rykhill, as in his right of Joan his wife and Elizabeth her sister, daughters of William, Lord Echyngham, Knight and of Joan his wife have land which descended to them by hereditary right on the death of Joan their mother and held of the king in chief by fee-farm ete etc

Most records have Joan Echyngham, daughter of William Echyngham married to William Rykhill. A Kent will for William Rykhill dated 1406 and he mentions his wife Rose and she leaves a will also and mentions sons William and John. I would suspect that John the son is the husband. Also most records has Joan and Elizabeth as daughters of Alice Batisford lst wife of William Echyngham and Joan Fitzalan his second. This Elizabeth Echyngham goes on to marry Thomas Hoo who died 1420

Need to straighten out the Rykhill connection as well as mother of these girls. Any comments appreciated .



Charlotsmith@prodigy.net

As is so often the way, quite by chance I just came across some info;
it doesn't help re: Echyngham but may for Rykhill.

The biog. of William Lee (d.c.1442) of Podmore and Aston, Staffs, in
Roskell's HoP vols (pp581-2) states that he "m. Maud, poss. da. and
coh. of John Rickhill [MP] (d.1432) of Islingham, Kent, 1s.(2)

(2) Wm. Salt Arch. Soc. xi.233; n.s.xii.114; Arch. Cant. xxxii.55-70"

It later says: "It is difficult to establish the precise nature of
Lee's title to part of the estates of Sir William Rickhill (d.1407),
j.c.p., comprising land in Mokelton Hall, Essex, and the manors of
Paddington in Surrey and Islingham, Kent. Some of these holdings had
previously been settled upon one John Lee (to whom he was probably
related) by Richard Bruyn [MP] and his wife, Joan, the judge's grand
daughter. Bruyn and our Member sat together in the Parliament of 1435
and may perhaps have married sisters, for in November 1441 Lee conveyed
a reversionary interest in his manor of Aston to Bruyn, whom he
described as his 'brother'. In this event, he would have been the son
of John Rickhill (shire knight for Kent in 1423), and a kinsman by
marriage of John's eldest brother, William, with whom he attended the
Commons of 1420.(8)

(8) CCR,1429-35, p.187; 1435-41, p.457; Arch Cant. xxxii.55-70."

This would give the following:

1. Sir William Rickhill d.1407, judge
2a. William Rickhill, MP
2b. John Rickhill d.1432, MP
3a. Joan Rickhill m. Richard Bruyn, MP
?3b. Maud, m. William Lee, MP
4. Sir James Lee of Aston
5.Ellen Lee m. Sir Humphrey Stanley, MP (had issue)

which seems to tie in with the William Rickhill of the 1406 will, with
his widow Rose and sons William and John.

The Arch. Cant. references are, according to that online index, to an
article about monumental brasses in Kent, which should provide some
information.

Tony Ingham

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Tony Ingham » 06 sep 2005 14:06:01

Hello Matthew,

Thank you for posting the Lee/Rikhill data.

The article at Arch. Cant. xxxii.55-70 should refer to a Monumental
Brass in Northfleet. This was to William Rikhill (d.1433) and his wife.
She was most likely Katherine Rykhill, sister of John, Robert and
Richard Coventre, citizens and mercers of London. They were all
mentioned along with William Rykhll in an entail of 'St. Mary le Bow
104/11' seen at the "British History Online" site. John atte Lee was
involved in the settlement of the property in 1409 and 1410.

All the best,

Tony Ingham






mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

charlotte Smith wrote:


Inquisition at Winchelsea 2 Henry V (1415)
John Rykhill, as in his right of Joan his wife and Elizabeth her sister, daughters of William, Lord Echyngham, Knight and of Joan his wife have land which descended to them by hereditary right on the death of Joan their mother and held of the king in chief by fee-farm ete etc

Most records have Joan Echyngham, daughter of William Echyngham married to William Rykhill. A Kent will for William Rykhill dated 1406 and he mentions his wife Rose and she leaves a will also and mentions sons William and John. I would suspect that John the son is the husband. Also most records has Joan and Elizabeth as daughters of Alice Batisford lst wife of William Echyngham and Joan Fitzalan his second. This Elizabeth Echyngham goes on to marry Thomas Hoo who died 1420

Need to straighten out the Rykhill connection as well as mother of these girls. Any comments appreciated .



Charlotsmith@prodigy.net



As is so often the way, quite by chance I just came across some info;
it doesn't help re: Echyngham but may for Rykhill.

The biog. of William Lee (d.c.1442) of Podmore and Aston, Staffs, in
Roskell's HoP vols (pp581-2) states that he "m. Maud, poss. da. and
coh. of John Rickhill [MP] (d.1432) of Islingham, Kent, 1s.(2)

(2) Wm. Salt Arch. Soc. xi.233; n.s.xii.114; Arch. Cant. xxxii.55-70"

It later says: "It is difficult to establish the precise nature of
Lee's title to part of the estates of Sir William Rickhill (d.1407),
j.c.p., comprising land in Mokelton Hall, Essex, and the manors of
Paddington in Surrey and Islingham, Kent. Some of these holdings had
previously been settled upon one John Lee (to whom he was probably
related) by Richard Bruyn [MP] and his wife, Joan, the judge's grand
daughter. Bruyn and our Member sat together in the Parliament of 1435
and may perhaps have married sisters, for in November 1441 Lee conveyed
a reversionary interest in his manor of Aston to Bruyn, whom he
described as his 'brother'. In this event, he would have been the son
of John Rickhill (shire knight for Kent in 1423), and a kinsman by
marriage of John's eldest brother, William, with whom he attended the
Commons of 1420.(8)

(8) CCR,1429-35, p.187; 1435-41, p.457; Arch Cant. xxxii.55-70."

This would give the following:

1. Sir William Rickhill d.1407, judge
2a. William Rickhill, MP
2b. John Rickhill d.1432, MP
3a. Joan Rickhill m. Richard Bruyn, MP
?3b. Maud, m. William Lee, MP
4. Sir James Lee of Aston
5.Ellen Lee m. Sir Humphrey Stanley, MP (had issue)

which seems to tie in with the William Rickhill of the 1406 will, with
his widow Rose and sons William and John.

The Arch. Cant. references are, according to that online index, to an
article about monumental brasses in Kent, which should provide some
information.




Gjest

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 sep 2005 15:23:47

Tony Ingham wrote:
Hello Matthew,

Thank you for posting the Lee/Rikhill data.

The article at Arch. Cant. xxxii.55-70 should refer to a Monumental
Brass in Northfleet. This was to William Rikhill (d.1433) and his wife.
She was most likely Katherine Rykhill, sister of John, Robert and
Richard Coventre, citizens and mercers of London. They were all
mentioned along with William Rykhll in an entail of 'St. Mary le Bow
104/11' seen at the "British History Online" site. John atte Lee was
involved in the settlement of the property in 1409 and 1410.

All the best,

Tony Ingham


Thanks Tony- so was this William (d.1433) the one who was elder brother
to John (d.1432)? I suppose the article must attempt some family
reconstruction, for HoP to reference it (and 16 pages of it).

I've only just noticed a severe typo in my post, corrected below-


mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


The biog. of William Lee (d.c.1442) of Podmore and Aston, Staffs, in
Roskell's HoP vols (pp581-2) states that he "m. Maud, poss. da. and
coh. of John Rickhill [MP] (d.1432) of Islingham, Kent, 1s.(2)

(2) Wm. Salt Arch. Soc. xi.233; n.s.xii.114; Arch. Cant. xxxii.55-70"

It later says: "It is difficult to establish the precise nature of
Lee's title to part of the estates of Sir William Rickhill (d.1407),
j.c.p., comprising land in Mokelton Hall, Essex, and the manors of
Paddington in Surrey and Islingham, Kent. Some of these holdings had
previously been settled upon one John Lee (to whom he was probably
related) by Richard Bruyn [MP] and his wife, Joan, the judge's grand
daughter. Bruyn and our Member sat together in the Parliament of 1435
and may perhaps have married sisters, for in November 1441 Lee conveyed
a reversionary interest in his manor of Aston to Bruyn, whom he
described as his 'brother'. In this event, he would have been the son

[this should read "son-in-law", obviously]

of John Rickhill (shire knight for Kent in 1423), and a kinsman by
marriage of John's eldest brother, William, with whom he attended the
Commons of 1420.(8)

(8) CCR,1429-35, p.187; 1435-41, p.457; Arch Cant. xxxii.55-70."

This would give the following:

1. Sir William Rickhill d.1407, judge
2a. William Rickhill, MP
2b. John Rickhill d.1432, MP
3a. Joan Rickhill m. Richard Bruyn, MP
?3b. Maud, m. William Lee, MP
4. Sir James Lee of Aston
5.Ellen Lee m. Sir Humphrey Stanley, MP (had issue)

which seems to tie in with the William Rickhill of the 1406 will, with
his widow Rose and sons William and John.

The Arch. Cant. references are, according to that online index, to an
article about monumental brasses in Kent, which should provide some
information.





Matthew

angcilla

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av angcilla » 06 sep 2005 16:45:10

thank you for the good information on the Rykhill family. I had found
some of it, but not all. I have been tryng to track down Bruyn and this
surely helps me with that. The sharing is appreciated.

charlotte smith

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Gjest

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 sep 2005 18:50:01

Not that it gets you any further, but the following is perhaps the same
Richard Bruyn:

1438. July 14, Westminster
The like [ac: commission de walliis et fossatis] to John Bamburgh, Richard
Bruyn, Valentine Baret, Thomas Burges and William Garnet, along the coast of
the sea and marsh of the Thames from Feyrhede to Hencle, co. Kent.
From Prof. Bob Boynton; University of Iowa; Calendar of Patent Rolls; Hy 6
Vol 3; p. 266

regards,
Adrian


charlotte smith wrote;
thank you for the good information on the Rykhill family. I had found

some of it, but not all. I have been tryng to track down Bruyn and this
surely helps me with that. The sharing is appreciated.
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Douglas Richardson royala

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 07 sep 2005 07:27:19

Dear Charlotte:

Here is another record involving John Rykill and the Bruyn family. It
mentions the divorce of John Rykhill's daughter, Joan, from her
husband, James of Hopwood, which took place in 1431.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancesty.net

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Source: Lancashire Record Office: The Hopwood Manuscripts

Reference: DDHP 39/35
Articles of Agreement

Creation dates: 25 Nov. 1431

Scope and Content

(i) Nicolas Rykhull and Richard Bruyn, (ii) James of Hopwood -- N.R.
and R.B. to release all personal actions to J.H., such releases being
put into the keeping of John Portyngton for the defence of J.H. N.R. to
endeavour to make John Selenger, late sheriff of Kent, and Frome
Skynner of Maydeston, deliver to J.H. two obligations by which J.H. is
bound in £40 to both J.S. and F.S. Also N.R. and R.B. "graunten
severaly to stonden in charite to ther power" with J.H., Roger Blakley
and Henry Hykkys "and not to vex hym" by word, suit or deed. J.H.
grants the same to N.R. and R.B. Also he releases all personal actions
to N.R. R.B., Perus Mader and Elene Grenehall and put them into the
keeping of John Portyngton for the defence of N.R., R.B., P.M., and
E.G., Also he promises to endeavour to make Thomas, Bishop of Derham
"to graunte to be gode gracious and well willyng lord" to N.R., and
R.B. Also N.R. and R.B. "shall mynyster to procratores of the said
James at ther entente and consiens trewe and lawfull cause of devors
betwex the said James and Johan his wyff".

Witn: Henry Langley, John Portyngton, William Moston, Thomas Henster,
Thomas Broun, John Fortescu, William Gernet, William Lee and Nicholas
Metley.

Seals.

(Attached to the above).

Deed concerning the payment of £40: (i) N.R. and R.B., (ii) J.H.,
(iii) Thomas son of Sir John Radclyf, knight -- N.R. and R.B. have
delivered to T.R., £40 to deliver to J.H. immediately after the ten
days past after the divorce between J.H. and Johan, daughter of John
Rykhull.

Seals. 25 Nov. 1431.

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: John Rykhill

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 07 sep 2005 08:00:04

Dear Charlotte:

Further information on John Rykhill's daughter, Joan, and her husband,
Richard Bruyn:

Item #1:

VCH Cambridge, vol. 10
(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=18781)

History of manor of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire

"By 1431 Sir Nicholas Loveyn's grandson and heir Richard Chamberlain
claimed and perhaps controlled the manor, (Footnote 92) but in 1434 it
belonged to John Rickhill's daughter and heir Joan and her husband
Richard Bruyn. (Footnote 93) They sold it in 1450 to William Cotton,
(Footnote 94) a feoffee since 1443 or earlier. (Footnote 95)."

Footnote 93: P.R.O., CP 25/1/292/67, no. 150; cf. Cal. Close, 1429-35,
223; 1435-41, 245.

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Item #2:
Source: http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/willsb.htm
Will of Johanna Bruyn, of Frindsbury, Date: 1462p, |R 2.241,| wife of
Richard Bruyn, esquire, of Eslyngham in Kent; buried All Hallows the
Great, London; lands in Kent, Essex and London

I believe the above will was probated in the Rochester Consistory
Court.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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