possible CP Correction: Isabel, wife of Roger de Lascelles

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possible CP Correction: Isabel, wife of Roger de Lascelles

Legg inn av Gjest » 16 aug 2005 22:42:01

Tuesday, 16 August, 2005


Hello All,

The parentage of Elizabeth (or Isabel), wife of Roger de
Lascelles, Lord Lascelles (d. ca. 1300), is not shown as known in
the CP account of her husband [1]. Two pieces of information
which may however lead to proof of her parentage:

1. The CP account does note that she had Ellerton-upon-
Derwent as her maritagium. This is further recorded
ca. 1285 as having been in the possession of
'Isabella de Lasceles' at that date [2].

2. The Visitation of Yorkshire (1575) recorded in the Surtees'
Society's "Visitations of the North" reaches back a bit,
although with surprising accuracy on certain facts ca.
1250-1300. The pedigree given therein for "Lassels of
Estcrick in Com. Yorksh." from Harleian MS. 1171, m.
13b-14b. gives in part the following [verbatim from the
pedigree] [3]:


Roger Lassels mar: to Issabell
d. to Wm FizThomas
_______________I______________________________
I I I I
Robert = Alice Jane mar. Matildus mar: Temperance
Constable I d. to to Tho's de to Rob't Tiliol mar. to Raff
I Lassells Colensenne and Robart sone to
I Hilton Randolf
I I
I I
John Constable Robart Hilton
mar: Albreda of Swine


Certain aspects of this pedigree have been found to be in
error (e.g., the descent of Constable of Halsham, and the name
'Temperance' should read as Theophania, or Tiffany), but the names
and marriages of the daughters of Roger de Lascelles are correct,
as is his marriage to one "Issabell".

Most interesting is the identification as "d. to Wm
FizThomas", a clear reference to the contemporaneous Sir William
fitz Thomas, of Sprotborough and Emley, co. Yorks. (d. 1294 or
before), ancestor of the Lords FitzWilliam and many others
besides, and himself a great-grandson of Hamelin, Earl of Surrey
(d. 1202) the illegitimate half-brother of Henry II of
England [4]. This would affect a number of descendants of Hilton
of Swine, including the Lords Hilton [1435 and subsequent], Bulmer
of Wilton, Constable of Halsham, and not a few 17th century
emigrants to America (at least, William Asfordby, William Bladen,
William Farrar, Katherine Hamby, William Skepper and Olive Welby).

Should anyone have further information concerning the above,
esp. as the tenure of Ellerton-upon-Derwent may relate to this
descent, it would be most welcome.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] CP VII:447-8, sub _Lascelles_ .

[2] Ibid. "Kirkby's Inquest" records that 'Isabella de Lasceles'
held 1/2 carucate and 1 bovate in Ellerton:

" De feodo de Craistok j car. terrae.
Thomas de Pyk tenet di. car., Isabella de Lasceles di. car., -
unde xvj car. terrae faciunt feod.
De feodo de Gaunt iij bov. terrae.
Isabella de Lasceles j bov., Thomas filius Simonis j bov.,
Alanus Forman j bov., - unde xvj car. terrae faciunt feod."

[3] Visitations of the North [Part IV, Visitations of Yorkshire
and Northumberland in A.D. 1575, and A Book of Arms from
Ashmole MS. No. 834], Publications of the Surtees Society
Vol. CXLVI [Durham: Andrews & Co., 1932], p. 17.

[4] CP V:518-519, sub _FitzWilliam_


* John P. Ravilious

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