Newsgroup impersonality
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Ian Fettes
Newsgroup impersonality
Hi All,
Having an enjoyable lunch today with group members Peter Stewart and Paul
Mackenzie caused me to reflect on the benefits of face-to-face
communication. I consider myself lucky to have met with Chico Doria, Leo
van de Pas, Rosie Bevan, Robert O'Connor and now Peter and Paul. These are
all great people, the qualities of whom becoming more apparent when met.
Unlike face-to-face dialogue it is difficult in a newsgroup forum to keep
communication clear and unambiguous. This often leads to misunderstandings
and ill feeling that we can all do without.
My message for the day therefore is this: Get out and meet your fellow group
members whenever the opportunity arises - you will all be the better for it.
Regards,
Ian Fettes
Having an enjoyable lunch today with group members Peter Stewart and Paul
Mackenzie caused me to reflect on the benefits of face-to-face
communication. I consider myself lucky to have met with Chico Doria, Leo
van de Pas, Rosie Bevan, Robert O'Connor and now Peter and Paul. These are
all great people, the qualities of whom becoming more apparent when met.
Unlike face-to-face dialogue it is difficult in a newsgroup forum to keep
communication clear and unambiguous. This often leads to misunderstandings
and ill feeling that we can all do without.
My message for the day therefore is this: Get out and meet your fellow group
members whenever the opportunity arises - you will all be the better for it.
Regards,
Ian Fettes
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John Brandon
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Having an enjoyable lunch today with group members Peter Stewart and Paul Mackenzie caused me to reflect on the benefits of face-to-face communication.
Maybe you wouldn't mind giving 'Peter's' real name, then?
(Not holding breath.)
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Dora Smith
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Uh - I don't see the relevance.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
communication.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Having an enjoyable lunch today with group members Peter Stewart and
Paul Mackenzie caused me to reflect on the benefits of face-to-face
communication.
Maybe you wouldn't mind giving 'Peter's' real name, then?
(Not holding breath.)
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
"Dora Smith" wrote:
Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it civil
and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
identity. That's only fair, Dora.
In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
and told the truth about himself.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it civil
and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
identity. That's only fair, Dora.
In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
and told the truth about himself.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Hal S.
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1123990633.912771.174970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
news:1123990633.912771.174970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Dora Smith" wrote:
Uh - I don't see the relevance.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it civil
and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
identity. That's only fair, Dora.
In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
and told the truth about himself.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Absolutely!
He should speak up and say so if his name is NOT Peter Stewart.
Attacking someone on USENET from behind a pseudonym is very bad form.
However, I thought Ian Fettes was vouching for him when he said he had
lunch with Peter Stewart.
Is that not the case?
DSH
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1123990633.912771.174970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| "Dora Smith" wrote:
| > Uh - I don't see the relevance.
| >
| > Yours,
| > Dora Smith
| > Austin, Texas
| > villandra@austin.rr.com
|
| Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
| going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it
civil
| and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
| posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
| the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
| identity. That's only fair, Dora.
|
| In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
| history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
| and told the truth about himself.
|
| Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
He should speak up and say so if his name is NOT Peter Stewart.
Attacking someone on USENET from behind a pseudonym is very bad form.
However, I thought Ian Fettes was vouching for him when he said he had
lunch with Peter Stewart.
Is that not the case?
DSH
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1123990633.912771.174970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| "Dora Smith" wrote:
| > Uh - I don't see the relevance.
| >
| > Yours,
| > Dora Smith
| > Austin, Texas
| > villandra@austin.rr.com
|
| Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
| going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it
civil
| and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
| posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
| the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
| identity. That's only fair, Dora.
|
| In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
| history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
| and told the truth about himself.
|
| Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Who says that Peter Stewart is not his name? Oh yes, Richardson at one stage
swore black and blue that Peter Stewart was Spencer Hines.
Abusive behaviour? Is Richardson saying that Peter Stewart is to be regarded
the only one to do so? Mirror mirror on the wall, surely you will show
Richardson, Hines and their viscious crony as well?
If "Peter Stewart" is the name presented we all have to accept that, if
someone feels better being called CED we have to accept that as well,
"fessing up" doesn't come into it.
Richardson demanding "Peter Stewart" to tell that this is not his name is as
silly as me waiting for John Brandon to apologise for his viscious behaviour
or Richardson to apologise for the slurs directed at three people or the
destruction of the atmosphere of gen-med.
Since when does "fair" come into it? You may well ask, Dora!
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
swore black and blue that Peter Stewart was Spencer Hines.
Abusive behaviour? Is Richardson saying that Peter Stewart is to be regarded
the only one to do so? Mirror mirror on the wall, surely you will show
Richardson, Hines and their viscious crony as well?
If "Peter Stewart" is the name presented we all have to accept that, if
someone feels better being called CED we have to accept that as well,
"fessing up" doesn't come into it.
Richardson demanding "Peter Stewart" to tell that this is not his name is as
silly as me waiting for John Brandon to apologise for his viscious behaviour
or Richardson to apologise for the slurs directed at three people or the
destruction of the atmosphere of gen-med.
Since when does "fair" come into it? You may well ask, Dora!
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
"Dora Smith" wrote:
Uh - I don't see the relevance.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it civil
and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
identity. That's only fair, Dora.
In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
and told the truth about himself.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
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I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind a phony name.
Hal S.
Do we have here another one? Hal S? Cheese what is he hiding for? Talkking
about pots and kettles!
Who says it is a phony name? Only Richardson, but then he was so sure that
Peter Stewart just had to be an alias for Hines. There have been several
people on gen-med using a "cover name" A Tsar is Born, Historian,
Bibliographer, just to mention a few.
No-one abused them to reveal their identity. But as they say, attack is the
best defence and so in stead of replying to accusations by giving
explanations " Lets attack the 'coward' he is a coward because he is
'hiding' his identity". Who says Peter Stewart is hiding his identity?
Lets attack him because he uses a phony e-mail address!! He doesn't want
e-mails sent to him privately, but so does Hines. Somehow it seems a
sensible defense against hypocritical attempts at "settling matters
privately". If offense occurs in public "settling" should also happen in
public.
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Gjest
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
The funny part is that when Uriah post it sure is funny how everyone on
this newsgroup calls him a sockpuppet and cries foul. But it's Okay for
other's to post under phoney names that is what is really tin
commensense to me is being a hypocrite. People can't have it both ways.
Mike
this newsgroup calls him a sockpuppet and cries foul. But it's Okay for
other's to post under phoney names that is what is really tin
commensense to me is being a hypocrite. People can't have it both ways.
Mike
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
For those who pay attention to such things, the person posting as
"Katheryn Swynford" is the much esteemed Judy Perry. She has posted
under her own name and under her pen name here on the newsgroup. She's
published articles in recent time in the Foundations journal. She's
very much a real person. I can attest for her character and integrity.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart? Who
worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter Stewart.
Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the best
defense and a way not having to "fess up".
Leo
For those who pay attention to such things, the person posting as
"Katheryn Swynford" is the much esteemed Judy Perry. She has posted
under her own name and under her pen name here on the newsgroup. She's
published articles in recent time in the Foundations journal. She's
very much a real person. I can attest for her character and integrity.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Bingo!
DSH
"Hal S." <h.sanders@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bMqdnZ2dnZ21z6LNnZ2dnU1bY9-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
| I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
| behind a phony name.
|
| Hal S.
DSH
"Hal S." <h.sanders@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bMqdnZ2dnZ21z6LNnZ2dnU1bY9-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
| I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
| behind a phony name.
|
| Hal S.
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R. Battle
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality (OT)
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 mwelch8442@yahoo.com wrote:
What I find offensive is not someone posting under an alias so much as
someone posting under more than one name so as to appear to be more than
one person. That's the difference between a "sock puppet" and a mere
alias. That was what Douglas Richardson accused Peter Stewart of being
some time ago (D. Spencer Hines under an assumed name) and what Peter
Stewart has suggested Uriah N. Owen is (Douglas Richardson under an
assumed name). Others, myself included, have publically wondered whether
Uriah N. Owen is actually Robert Todd, a sometime gen-med participant (no
denial to date from either Owen or Todd on that count). As far as I know,
no one has suggested that CED is the alter ego of another newsgroup
participant, nor does anyone now suppose that Peter Stewart is.
-Robert Battle
The funny part is that when Uriah post it sure is funny how everyone on
this newsgroup calls him a sockpuppet and cries foul. But it's Okay for
other's to post under phoney names that is what is really tin
commensense to me is being a hypocrite. People can't have it both ways.
snip
What I find offensive is not someone posting under an alias so much as
someone posting under more than one name so as to appear to be more than
one person. That's the difference between a "sock puppet" and a mere
alias. That was what Douglas Richardson accused Peter Stewart of being
some time ago (D. Spencer Hines under an assumed name) and what Peter
Stewart has suggested Uriah N. Owen is (Douglas Richardson under an
assumed name). Others, myself included, have publically wondered whether
Uriah N. Owen is actually Robert Todd, a sometime gen-med participant (no
denial to date from either Owen or Todd on that count). As far as I know,
no one has suggested that CED is the alter ego of another newsgroup
participant, nor does anyone now suppose that Peter Stewart is.
-Robert Battle
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
The funny part is that "others" posted a post supposedly from Uriah, but
Peter Stewart posts for himself, and he has a "real" e-mail address. I have
it as I also used to have a useable e-mail address for Spencer Hines.
This line has been hyjacked by Richardson and his remarks, where is the
friendship now?
Courageously he waits until after Peter Stewart tells he is gone on holidays
and after Ian Fettes made it known he met him in Queensland and then starts
throwing mud again.
Do you realise what I just said? Someone claims to have met Peter Stewart!
Who has met Uriah Owen? Not Mike Welch.
Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart? Who
worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter Stewart.
Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the best
defense and a way not having to "fess up".
Bingo! Who is the coward? You can't have it both ways.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <mwelch8442@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Peter Stewart posts for himself, and he has a "real" e-mail address. I have
it as I also used to have a useable e-mail address for Spencer Hines.
This line has been hyjacked by Richardson and his remarks, where is the
friendship now?
Courageously he waits until after Peter Stewart tells he is gone on holidays
and after Ian Fettes made it known he met him in Queensland and then starts
throwing mud again.
Do you realise what I just said? Someone claims to have met Peter Stewart!
Who has met Uriah Owen? Not Mike Welch.
Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart? Who
worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter Stewart.
Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the best
defense and a way not having to "fess up".
Bingo! Who is the coward? You can't have it both ways.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <mwelch8442@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
The funny part is that when Uriah post it sure is funny how everyone on
this newsgroup calls him a sockpuppet and cries foul. But it's Okay for
other's to post under phoney names that is what is really tin
commensense to me is being a hypocrite. People can't have it both ways.
Mike
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Judy Perry certainly doesn't go about making scurrilous attacks on
people from behind her pseudonym on SGM -- whereas others here do.
It's the scurrilous attacks from behind a pseudonym that are the
problem.
Leo doesn't seem to understand that and is simply dragging in a red
herring by mentioning "Katheryn Swynford" -- either deliberately or
carelessly and unknowingly.
DSH
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124005676.810764.218360@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
|
| > Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart?
Who
| > worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
| > Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter
Stewart.
| > Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the
best
| > defense and a way not having to "fess up".
| >
| > Leo
| >
|
| For those who pay attention to such things, the person posting as
| "Katheryn Swynford" is the much esteemed Judy Perry. She has posted
| under her own name and under her pen name here on the newsgroup.
She's
| published articles in recent time in the Foundations journal. She's
| very much a real person. I can attest for her character and
integrity.
|
| Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
people from behind her pseudonym on SGM -- whereas others here do.
It's the scurrilous attacks from behind a pseudonym that are the
problem.
Leo doesn't seem to understand that and is simply dragging in a red
herring by mentioning "Katheryn Swynford" -- either deliberately or
carelessly and unknowingly.
DSH
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124005676.810764.218360@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
|
| > Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart?
Who
| > worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
| > Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter
Stewart.
| > Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the
best
| > defense and a way not having to "fess up".
| >
| > Leo
| >
|
| For those who pay attention to such things, the person posting as
| "Katheryn Swynford" is the much esteemed Judy Perry. She has posted
| under her own name and under her pen name here on the newsgroup.
She's
| published articles in recent time in the Foundations journal. She's
| very much a real person. I can attest for her character and
integrity.
|
| Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Douglas Richardson royala
The correct use of a pen name
What newsgroup members find offensive, Robert, are people who use pen
names to attack other posters, while hiding behind their anonymity.
Also offensive are people who allege that they are "experts," but who
are unwilling to reveal their credentials or what training they have in
the field when asked. Ditto people who use a fake e-mail address.
Also, people who circulate vicious gossip offlist about other posters.
All of this has been happening on the newsgroup in plain sight.
In SHARP contrast, posters with pen names such as Katheryn Swynford,
The Bibliographer, Nonrenxaq, etc., have ALWAYS been civil and cordial
in their posts. They have REAL e-mail addresses and are willing to
reveal their identities and credentials when asked. They always have
something POSITIVE to contribute. In short, they're a great asset to
the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
R. Battle wrote:
names to attack other posters, while hiding behind their anonymity.
Also offensive are people who allege that they are "experts," but who
are unwilling to reveal their credentials or what training they have in
the field when asked. Ditto people who use a fake e-mail address.
Also, people who circulate vicious gossip offlist about other posters.
All of this has been happening on the newsgroup in plain sight.
In SHARP contrast, posters with pen names such as Katheryn Swynford,
The Bibliographer, Nonrenxaq, etc., have ALWAYS been civil and cordial
in their posts. They have REAL e-mail addresses and are willing to
reveal their identities and credentials when asked. They always have
something POSITIVE to contribute. In short, they're a great asset to
the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
R. Battle wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 mwelch8442@yahoo.com wrote:
The funny part is that when Uriah post it sure is funny how everyone on
this newsgroup calls him a sockpuppet and cries foul. But it's Okay for
other's to post under phoney names that is what is really tin
commensense to me is being a hypocrite. People can't have it both ways.
snip
What I find offensive is not someone posting under an alias so much as
someone posting under more than one name so as to appear to be more than
one person. That's the difference between a "sock puppet" and a mere
alias. That was what Douglas Richardson accused Peter Stewart of being
some time ago (D. Spencer Hines under an assumed name) and what Peter
Stewart has suggested Uriah N. Owen is (Douglas Richardson under an
assumed name). Others, myself included, have publically wondered whether
Uriah N. Owen is actually Robert Todd, a sometime gen-med participant (no
denial to date from either Owen or Todd on that count). As far as I know,
no one has suggested that CED is the alter ego of another newsgroup
participant, nor does anyone now suppose that Peter Stewart is.
-Robert Battle
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Again Richardson avoids the real issue. Let him "fess up" to the questions
he has been asked and let it be answers to these, not counter questions or
attacks. We are here to make friends !!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
he has been asked and let it be answers to these, not counter questions or
attacks. We are here to make friends !!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Again, why this probing in whether Peter Stewart is Peter Stewart? Who
worries about Katherine Swynford? It is only a distraction so that
Richardson does not have to "fess up" to the questions from Peter
Stewart.
Instead of supplying explanations, why not attack him? Attack is the best
defense and a way not having to "fess up".
Leo
For those who pay attention to such things, the person posting as
"Katheryn Swynford" is the much esteemed Judy Perry. She has posted
under her own name and under her pen name here on the newsgroup. She's
published articles in recent time in the Foundations journal. She's
very much a real person. I can attest for her character and integrity.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal S. wrote:
< I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
< a phony name.
<
< Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
< I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
< a phony name.
<
< Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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R. Battle
Re: The correct use of a pen name
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
I wasn't claiming to speak for other members, only myself. IMHO, the use
of pen names or aliases and personal attacks are two entirely separate
issues. Personal attacks are genealogically and methodologically useless
and don't belong here; whether or not the attacker uses his or her own
name is irrelevant. The sorts of attacks that *do* belong here are those
which are against errors in fact, judgement, and methodology; and as the
merits of those attacks rest in the facts of the matter and not the
identity of the author it is again irrelevant whether or not the author
uses an alias. The only times when someone's identity is of genuine
concern are when he or she (1) claims to speak from a position of
intrinsic authority or (2) is weighing in as a "separate voice" on an
issue.
That is the sort of thing I meant in my (1) above. I don't recall this
being an issue, though, as the only people I know of who have claimed to
be experts have all used their real names (as far as I know).
-Robert Battle
What newsgroup members find offensive, Robert, are people who use pen
names to attack other posters, while hiding behind their anonymity.
I wasn't claiming to speak for other members, only myself. IMHO, the use
of pen names or aliases and personal attacks are two entirely separate
issues. Personal attacks are genealogically and methodologically useless
and don't belong here; whether or not the attacker uses his or her own
name is irrelevant. The sorts of attacks that *do* belong here are those
which are against errors in fact, judgement, and methodology; and as the
merits of those attacks rest in the facts of the matter and not the
identity of the author it is again irrelevant whether or not the author
uses an alias. The only times when someone's identity is of genuine
concern are when he or she (1) claims to speak from a position of
intrinsic authority or (2) is weighing in as a "separate voice" on an
issue.
Also offensive are people who allege that they are "experts," but who
are unwilling to reveal their credentials or what training they have in
the field when asked.
snip
That is the sort of thing I meant in my (1) above. I don't recall this
being an issue, though, as the only people I know of who have claimed to
be experts have all used their real names (as far as I know).
-Robert Battle
-
Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Dear Tony ~
I welcome your right to express your opinion. Please respect my right
to do the same. I simply ask that you keep it civil and collegial,
though. That should be easy thing for all of us to do.
As for John Brandon, he is a highly respected author and a valued
contributor to our newsgroup. I think you should seriously reconsider
calling him "a puppy dog acolyte." That insult was far below you,
Tony. There's no need for ANYONE to call people names around here.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Tony Ingham wrote:
I welcome your right to express your opinion. Please respect my right
to do the same. I simply ask that you keep it civil and collegial,
though. That should be easy thing for all of us to do.
As for John Brandon, he is a highly respected author and a valued
contributor to our newsgroup. I think you should seriously reconsider
calling him "a puppy dog acolyte." That insult was far below you,
Tony. There's no need for ANYONE to call people names around here.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Tony Ingham wrote:
Douglas,
You are like a dog with a bone, just wont let go of it.
Peter Stewart is not abusive. It is you who abuses your self-appointed
role as guardian of the list members' behaviour.
That is, as well as self-appointed guru of all things new (no matter how
irrelevant).
Your hero-worshiping puppy dog acolyte Brandon starts the BUSINESS,
Dora Smith unwittingly takes the bait and away we go.
I'd be very careful if I was you. You are riding for a big fall, sonny Jim.
Your failure to maintain the attempt at collegiality which seemed to
pervade the list for a few days, has set you up for a full disclosure of
the almost unbelievable ineptitude you have shown in your latest
publications. A good researcher wouldn't use you to run errands.
Good luck, you are going to need it,
Tony Ingham
-
Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
< Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that
name is
< on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
I guess Leo doesn't know Peter Stewart's identity either.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
< Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that
name is
< on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
I guess Leo doesn't know Peter Stewart's identity either.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal S. wrote:
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
Paul Mackenzie
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Ian Fettes wrote:
It was indeed an enjoyable lunch. The topics ranged far and wide. Ian
discussed his work with Leo and Leo's recent book "Sinners and Saints",
and his (Ians) lastest genealogical computer programs. Peter enlighted
me on the translation of latin documents. Peter kindly gave me some
material on latin abbreviations to help with my personal project. I am
in full agreement with Ian's message for the day.
Kind Regards
Paul
Hi All,
Having an enjoyable lunch today with group members Peter Stewart and Paul
Mackenzie caused me to reflect on the benefits of face-to-face
communication. I consider myself lucky to have met with Chico Doria, Leo
van de Pas, Rosie Bevan, Robert O'Connor and now Peter and Paul. These are
all great people, the qualities of whom becoming more apparent when met.
Unlike face-to-face dialogue it is difficult in a newsgroup forum to keep
communication clear and unambiguous. This often leads to misunderstandings
and ill feeling that we can all do without.
My message for the day therefore is this: Get out and meet your fellow group
members whenever the opportunity arises - you will all be the better for it.
Regards,
Ian Fettes
Hi All:
It was indeed an enjoyable lunch. The topics ranged far and wide. Ian
discussed his work with Leo and Leo's recent book "Sinners and Saints",
and his (Ians) lastest genealogical computer programs. Peter enlighted
me on the translation of latin documents. Peter kindly gave me some
material on latin abbreviations to help with my personal project. I am
in full agreement with Ian's message for the day.
Kind Regards
Paul
-
Tony Ingham
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Douglas,
You are like a dog with a bone, just wont let go of it.
Peter Stewart is not abusive. It is you who abuses your self-appointed
role as guardian of the list members' behaviour.
That is, as well as self-appointed guru of all things new (no matter how
irrelevant).
Your hero-worshiping puppy dog acolyte Brandon starts the BUSINESS,
Dora Smith unwittingly takes the bait and away we go.
I'd be very careful if I was you. You are riding for a big fall, sonny Jim.
Your failure to maintain the attempt at collegiality which seemed to
pervade the list for a few days, has set you up for a full disclosure of
the almost unbelievable ineptitude you have shown in your latest
publications. A good researcher wouldn't use you to run errands.
Good luck, you are going to need it,
Tony Ingham
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
You are like a dog with a bone, just wont let go of it.
Peter Stewart is not abusive. It is you who abuses your self-appointed
role as guardian of the list members' behaviour.
That is, as well as self-appointed guru of all things new (no matter how
irrelevant).
Your hero-worshiping puppy dog acolyte Brandon starts the BUSINESS,
Dora Smith unwittingly takes the bait and away we go.
I'd be very careful if I was you. You are riding for a big fall, sonny Jim.
Your failure to maintain the attempt at collegiality which seemed to
pervade the list for a few days, has set you up for a full disclosure of
the almost unbelievable ineptitude you have shown in your latest
publications. A good researcher wouldn't use you to run errands.
Good luck, you are going to need it,
Tony Ingham
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
"Dora Smith" wrote:
Uh - I don't see the relevance.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
Well, Dora, you may not see the relevance, but I do. If someone is
going to post under a pen name, that's fine provided they keep it civil
and cordial to all. I've enjoyed reading posts from many anonymous
posters. But if the person using a pen name attacks other people on
the newsgroup, then we all have a right to ask the attacker's true
identity. That's only fair, Dora.
In this case, the person calling himself Peter Stewart has a long
history of abusive behavior on the newsgroup. It's time he fessed up
and told the truth about himself.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal who? Pen name? Pseudonym? Someone in hiding?
Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that name is
on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
What I find cowardly is to attack a person who is away and cannot defend
himself.
Also cowardly is when people are being asked pertinent questions about their
own statements and they refuse to give an answer and use as excuse there
"need" to know whether the reply is directed at Tom, Dick or Harry, and
whether Tom is Dick and not Harry. Name tags are not important substance is.
Richardson proclaiming we are here to make friends is the first one to
offend.
Humour the questioner by supplying answers and _show_ you have nothing to
hide, no unqualifications to cover up. Own up to what you can do and what
you do know, then others are very kind and will help to fill the gaps.
Richardson wants genealogically filled messages, but he is the first to
start sniping and continue flames which have nothing to do with genealogy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that name is
on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
What I find cowardly is to attack a person who is away and cannot defend
himself.
Also cowardly is when people are being asked pertinent questions about their
own statements and they refuse to give an answer and use as excuse there
"need" to know whether the reply is directed at Tom, Dick or Harry, and
whether Tom is Dick and not Harry. Name tags are not important substance is.
Richardson proclaiming we are here to make friends is the first one to
offend.
Humour the questioner by supplying answers and _show_ you have nothing to
hide, no unqualifications to cover up. Own up to what you can do and what
you do know, then others are very kind and will help to fill the gaps.
Richardson wants genealogically filled messages, but he is the first to
start sniping and continue flames which have nothing to do with genealogy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal S. wrote:
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
Leo van de Pas
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Are you lobbying? Who I know or how well, is none of your business. As I
have said name tags of contributors are not important, the contents of their
messages however are important. Peter Stewart has asked you many pertinent
questions and you have refsued to supply an answer, either by asking counter
questions or your drivel "is Peter Stewart Peter Stewart". Why aren't you
worried about Spencer calling himself Spencer instead of David? Trivia!!!!
And you hide behind trivia so you don't have to answer pertinent questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
have said name tags of contributors are not important, the contents of their
messages however are important. Peter Stewart has asked you many pertinent
questions and you have refsued to supply an answer, either by asking counter
questions or your drivel "is Peter Stewart Peter Stewart". Why aren't you
worried about Spencer calling himself Spencer instead of David? Trivia!!!!
And you hide behind trivia so you don't have to answer pertinent questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that
name is
on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
I guess Leo doesn't know Peter Stewart's identity either.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal S. wrote:
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
Tony Ingham
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Douglas,
I offer you the courtesy of a reply and this is the last I will post on
this topic.
I really did my best to be civil and collegial.
As for Brandon, any person with even a minimum of intelligence would
observe that Brandon deliberately does the shit stirring (pardon the
language) while you hang back and let the pot slowly stew and then, and
then, and then, (along came Jones!) enter as the paragon of cordiality
and collegiality.
Well, I for one have had a gut-full of it and never being one to hang
back . . . . ..
Tony Ingham
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
I offer you the courtesy of a reply and this is the last I will post on
this topic.
I really did my best to be civil and collegial.
As for Brandon, any person with even a minimum of intelligence would
observe that Brandon deliberately does the shit stirring (pardon the
language) while you hang back and let the pot slowly stew and then, and
then, and then, (along came Jones!) enter as the paragon of cordiality
and collegiality.
Well, I for one have had a gut-full of it and never being one to hang
back . . . . ..
Tony Ingham
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:
Dear Tony ~
I welcome your right to express your opinion. Please respect my right
to do the same. I simply ask that you keep it civil and collegial,
though. That should be easy thing for all of us to do.
As for John Brandon, he is a highly respected author and a valued
contributor to our newsgroup. I think you should seriously reconsider
calling him "a puppy dog acolyte." That insult was far below you,
Tony. There's no need for ANYONE to call people names around here.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Tony Ingham wrote:
Douglas,
You are like a dog with a bone, just wont let go of it.
Peter Stewart is not abusive. It is you who abuses your self-appointed
role as guardian of the list members' behaviour.
That is, as well as self-appointed guru of all things new (no matter how
irrelevant).
Your hero-worshiping puppy dog acolyte Brandon starts the BUSINESS,
Dora Smith unwittingly takes the bait and away we go.
I'd be very careful if I was you. You are riding for a big fall, sonny Jim.
Your failure to maintain the attempt at collegiality which seemed to
pervade the list for a few days, has set you up for a full disclosure of
the almost unbelievable ineptitude you have shown in your latest
publications. A good researcher wouldn't use you to run errands.
Good luck, you are going to need it,
Tony Ingham
-
suntzu2
Re: The correct use of a pen name
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124010233.086508.3650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I spend most of my time here simply reading. Most times are related to
medieval genealogy, but lately there's been too much finger-pointing. Mr.
Fettes merely mentioned having lunch with some members from the board and
Mr.Brandon feels he HAS to start with the snide comments. And this thread
degenerated from there.
How about doing the "mature" thing and just letting it drop? Last time I
checked this was soc.genealogy.medieval board, not the
"whine-about-past-wrongs" board.
Brett A. Ankrom
news:1124010233.086508.3650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What newsgroup members find offensive, Robert, are people who use pen
names to attack other posters, while hiding behind their anonymity.
Also offensive are people who allege that they are "experts," but who
are unwilling to reveal their credentials or what training they have in
the field when asked. Ditto people who use a fake e-mail address.
Also, people who circulate vicious gossip offlist about other posters.
All of this has been happening on the newsgroup in plain sight.
In SHARP contrast, posters with pen names such as Katheryn Swynford,
The Bibliographer, Nonrenxaq, etc., have ALWAYS been civil and cordial
in their posts. They have REAL e-mail addresses and are willing to
reveal their identities and credentials when asked. They always have
something POSITIVE to contribute. In short, they're a great asset to
the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
I spend most of my time here simply reading. Most times are related to
medieval genealogy, but lately there's been too much finger-pointing. Mr.
Fettes merely mentioned having lunch with some members from the board and
Mr.Brandon feels he HAS to start with the snide comments. And this thread
degenerated from there.
How about doing the "mature" thing and just letting it drop? Last time I
checked this was soc.genealogy.medieval board, not the
"whine-about-past-wrongs" board.
Brett A. Ankrom
-
John Brandon
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
I guess Leo doesn't know Peter Stewart's identity either.
Maybe Peter Stewart is a real person and the reason we can find no
trace of his "literary reviews" is that he publishes _those_ under a
pseudonym. Either way, it's sort of shady, in my opinion ...
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Leo, you are getting your bowels in an uproar again.
It's time for a hot toddy and a loooong nap.
DSH
It's time for a hot toddy and a loooong nap.
DSH
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Newsgroup Impersonality
Nonsense!
Dead Wrong.
IF "Stewart" is hiding behind a pseudonym to attack Richardson and
others he should come out of the closet and admit it.
Bad Show.
Leo seems to lend credence to the idea "Stewart" IS a phony -- he's
certainly VERY defensive about it.
DSH
| "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
|
| Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that
| name is on his birth certificate is no-ones [sic] business.
Dead Wrong.
IF "Stewart" is hiding behind a pseudonym to attack Richardson and
others he should come out of the closet and admit it.
Bad Show.
Leo seems to lend credence to the idea "Stewart" IS a phony -- he's
certainly VERY defensive about it.
DSH
| "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
|
| Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that
| name is on his birth certificate is no-ones [sic] business.
-
Douglas Richardson royala
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Dear Leo ~
I can tell you're upset. I apologize if I have offended you.
I sincerely urge you and Spencer to mend fences and make amends. You
two used to be good friends. I know you can be friends again. Calling
people "vicious cronies" is not the way.
It takes all of us working together to make this a great newsgroup.
That includes you, me, and Spencer.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
I can tell you're upset. I apologize if I have offended you.
I sincerely urge you and Spencer to mend fences and make amends. You
two used to be good friends. I know you can be friends again. Calling
people "vicious cronies" is not the way.
It takes all of us working together to make this a great newsgroup.
That includes you, me, and Spencer.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Abusive behaviour? Is Richardson saying that Peter Stewart is to be regarded
the only one to do so? Mirror mirror on the wall, surely you will show
Richardson, Hines and their viscious crony as well?
-
Leo van de Pas
OT Richardson's garbage in regards to Peter Stewart Re: News
Yes, I am agnry, and I feel offended, as should many people on gen-med.
You could begin making changes, after all I am only observing _your_
behaviour.
You belittle Peter Stewart while you know he is in no position to read your
messages, which is why I feel I have to speak up for him, and so should
others. In the past I came to the support of Spencer Hines because people
were ganging up on him. Then Hines could defend himself, in this case Peter
Stewart can't.
The label on any bottle is only a guide, but it is the contents of the
bottle that counts.
The content, in this case, is the questions Peter has directed at you. To
me, you make it obvious you don't want to (or can't) answer his questions
and so you attack the label on the bottle, that is an old and dishonest
trick.
You want peace on gen-med? So do I, and many others. Stop sniping and attend
to the contents----the labels on the bottles can look after themselves as
they are totally irrelevant.
In the past I have defended Spencer Hines by saying "take note of WHAT he
says, not HOW he says it" the same should apply to Peter Stewart. He has
asked relevant questions, answer them but you avoided answering them because
you "want to know the meaning of the label on his bottle". You don't want to
know but you don't want to answer his questions. That is the reasons for
this rediculous approach, happily echoed by your friends.
..
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
You could begin making changes, after all I am only observing _your_
behaviour.
You belittle Peter Stewart while you know he is in no position to read your
messages, which is why I feel I have to speak up for him, and so should
others. In the past I came to the support of Spencer Hines because people
were ganging up on him. Then Hines could defend himself, in this case Peter
Stewart can't.
The label on any bottle is only a guide, but it is the contents of the
bottle that counts.
The content, in this case, is the questions Peter has directed at you. To
me, you make it obvious you don't want to (or can't) answer his questions
and so you attack the label on the bottle, that is an old and dishonest
trick.
You want peace on gen-med? So do I, and many others. Stop sniping and attend
to the contents----the labels on the bottles can look after themselves as
they are totally irrelevant.
In the past I have defended Spencer Hines by saying "take note of WHAT he
says, not HOW he says it" the same should apply to Peter Stewart. He has
asked relevant questions, answer them but you avoided answering them because
you "want to know the meaning of the label on his bottle". You don't want to
know but you don't want to answer his questions. That is the reasons for
this rediculous approach, happily echoed by your friends.
..
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Dear Leo ~
I can tell you're upset. I apologize if I have offended you.
I sincerely urge you and Spencer to mend fences and make amends. You
two used to be good friends. I know you can be friends again. Calling
people "vicious cronies" is not the way.
It takes all of us working together to make this a great newsgroup.
That includes you, me, and Spencer.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Abusive behaviour? Is Richardson saying that Peter Stewart is to be
regarded
the only one to do so? Mirror mirror on the wall, surely you will show
Richardson, Hines and their viscious crony as well?
-
Hal S.
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:00ea01c5a08b$9952b5c0$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
Leo: Can you really be that dense (to put it politely)?
Where did I say Peter Stewart was hiding behind a phony identity? Check
again, I neither said it nor did I imply it.
If you are in the least bit capable of reading my postings you can see I'm
not hiding from anyone. I have never posted under an alias -- as you know,
since you have sent me several of your obnoxious emails over the past
several weeks.
I have no problem with someone using an alias. Where I have the problem is
when someone hides behind an alias to insult and send flames.
Know do you understand? You apparently are just looking for a fight; well
look for one somewhere else.
Hal S.
news:00ea01c5a08b$9952b5c0$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
-------------------------------------------------
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind a phony name.
Hal S.
Do we have here another one? Hal S? Cheese what is he hiding for? Talkking
about pots and kettles!
Who says it is a phony name? Only Richardson, but then he was so sure that
Peter Stewart just had to be an alias for Hines. There have been several
people on gen-med using a "cover name" A Tsar is Born, Historian,
Bibliographer, just to mention a few.
No-one abused them to reveal their identity. But as they say, attack is
the best defence and so in stead of replying to accusations by giving
explanations " Lets attack the 'coward' he is a coward because he is
'hiding' his identity". Who says Peter Stewart is hiding his identity?
Lets attack him because he uses a phony e-mail address!! He doesn't want
e-mails sent to him privately, but so does Hines. Somehow it seems a
sensible defense against hypocritical attempts at "settling matters
privately". If offense occurs in public "settling" should also happen in
public.
----------------------------------
Leo: Can you really be that dense (to put it politely)?
Where did I say Peter Stewart was hiding behind a phony identity? Check
again, I neither said it nor did I imply it.
If you are in the least bit capable of reading my postings you can see I'm
not hiding from anyone. I have never posted under an alias -- as you know,
since you have sent me several of your obnoxious emails over the past
several weeks.
I have no problem with someone using an alias. Where I have the problem is
when someone hides behind an alias to insult and send flames.
Know do you understand? You apparently are just looking for a fight; well
look for one somewhere else.
Hal S.
-
Hal S.
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Leo: As I told you in answer to your email, you are really dense. What do
you mean "Hal who?" I sign all my postings "Hal S.", and even you can read
my email address in my postings, which begins "H.Sanders." Put them
together and what do you get? Does that sound like "Pen name? Pseudonym?
Someone in hiding?" (sic) Even you should be able to figure that out. You
have really demonstrated in your recent screeds a pronounced inability to
comprehend.
Hal S.
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:017701c5a0b3$c66d9e30$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
you mean "Hal who?" I sign all my postings "Hal S.", and even you can read
my email address in my postings, which begins "H.Sanders." Put them
together and what do you get? Does that sound like "Pen name? Pseudonym?
Someone in hiding?" (sic) Even you should be able to figure that out. You
have really demonstrated in your recent screeds a pronounced inability to
comprehend.
Hal S.
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:017701c5a0b3$c66d9e30$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
Hal who? Pen name? Pseudonym? Someone in hiding?
Peter Stewart _only_ contributes as Peter Stewart, and whether that name
is on his birth certificate is no-ones business.
What I find cowardly is to attack a person who is away and cannot defend
himself.
Also cowardly is when people are being asked pertinent questions about
their own statements and they refuse to give an answer and use as excuse
there "need" to know whether the reply is directed at Tom, Dick or Harry,
and whether Tom is Dick and not Harry. Name tags are not important
substance is.
Richardson proclaiming we are here to make friends is the first one to
offend.
Humour the questioner by supplying answers and _show_ you have nothing to
hide, no unqualifications to cover up. Own up to what you can do and what
you do know, then others are very kind and will help to fill the gaps.
Richardson wants genealogically filled messages, but he is the first to
start sniping and continue flames which have nothing to do with genealogy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Newsgroup impersonality
Hal S. wrote:
I agree; it's pretty gutless to fire away with insults and then hide
behind
a phony name.
Hal S.
Yes, Hal, I agree. It's very gutless. No one likes a coward.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
pj.evans
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
To quote from another site (it's entirely appropriate for several of
the recent threads in this group):
Okay. Everybody's going to slow down and play nice while I figure out
what happened to this formerly pleasant and interesting thread. Now:
(breathe in)
<b>Benefit of the doubt.</b>
(breathe out)
Good.
(breathe in again, slowly)
<b>Statements, not motives.</b>
(and ... out)
(now do it again)
<b>Appropriate latitude of interpretation.</b>
(and again)
<b>Good manners are better than gold.</b>
(Good. Continue deep-breathing exercises until serenity is achieved.)
the recent threads in this group):
Okay. Everybody's going to slow down and play nice while I figure out
what happened to this formerly pleasant and interesting thread. Now:
(breathe in)
<b>Benefit of the doubt.</b>
(breathe out)
Good.
(breathe in again, slowly)
<b>Statements, not motives.</b>
(and ... out)
(now do it again)
<b>Appropriate latitude of interpretation.</b>
(and again)
<b>Good manners are better than gold.</b>
(Good. Continue deep-breathing exercises until serenity is achieved.)
-
norenxaq
Re: Newsgroup impersonality
(Good. Continue deep-breathing exercises until serenity is achieved.)
om mani padme hummmmmmmmmmm...
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fairthorne
ES inconsistency
Hi Gang
Came across an inconsistency in ES
ES II Tafel 64 Alfonso XI King of Castile d 26.III.1350
ES II Tafel 39 Alfonso XI King of Castile d 27.III.1350
only one day in it - which is right?
cheers
Simon
Came across an inconsistency in ES
ES II Tafel 64 Alfonso XI King of Castile d 26.III.1350
ES II Tafel 39 Alfonso XI King of Castile d 27.III.1350
only one day in it - which is right?
cheers
Simon