C.P. Addition: Welle(s) family of Lincolnshire

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C.P. Addition: Welle(s) family of Lincolnshire

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 10 aug 2005 19:10:39

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage, 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 437 (sub Welles) has a good account
of Robert Fitz William de Welle (died c. 1206), the male line ancestor
of the subsequent Lords and Viscount Welles.

Latin transcripts of two of his charters to Bardney Abbey, Lincolnshire
have been published in recent time in A.E.B. Owen, The Medieval Lindsey
Marsh: Select Documents (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 85) (1996): 111. In the
first one, Robert Fitz William de Welle confirms the grant of lands in
Strubby, Lincolnshire made by his ancestors ("terram quam antecessores
mei dederunt eisdem monachis in Strubby"). The confirmation was made
on the day that his mother was buried in the monks' chapel at Bardney
("Hanc conessionem feci die quando mater mea sepulta fuit in capella
monachorum apud Bard' pro anima eius et pro salute mea et meorum"].

Complete Peerage, 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 437 (sub Welles) shows that Robert's
mother, whose given name is unknown, was a sister of Gilbert de Gant,
Earl of Lincoln. Thus, we know from this grant that Robert's mother,
_____ de Gant, was buried at Bardney Abbey. She evidently died
sometime after Robert Fitz William had succeeded to his father's
estates.

In the second grant, Robert Fitz William de Welle conveyed lands to
Bardney Abbey held from him in Anderby, Lincolnshire by Robert Fitz
Wischard, together with the said Robert Fitz Wiscard, his wife, and
offspring. This grant was made when the abbey received Robert Fitz
William de Welle's father as a monk ["Hanc donacionem feci quando
monachi apud Bard' receperunt patrem meum in monachum"].

Complete Peerage, 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 437 (sub Welles) makes no mention of
Robert's father, William Fitz Walter de Welle, becoming a monk at
Bardney. Rather, it assumes that William Fitz Walter de Welle "died
before 1198," when his son, Robert Fitz William, was answering for his
father's debts. Given that Robert's father, William, retired from
public life to monastic life before his death, it is incorrect to date
Walter's death by his son's succession to his estates. Rather, it
would be correct to say that William Fitz Walter de Welle occurs in
Pipe Rolls in 1191 and during the years 1194-97, after which date he
became a monk at Bardney Abbey. His wife, ___ de Gant, died sometime
after 1197, and was buried at Bardney Abbey.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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