Similarly, Herbert St. Quintin (b. 1264) the son of the Herbert St.
Quintin and Margery de Faucomberge, is said to have married Anastasia
de Mautravers, daughter of Sir John Mautravers. Was Anastasia the
sister of the Sir John Mautravers who married Eleanor de Gorges? Their
son, another Sir John, born about 1290, d. 16 Feb 1364, married
Milicent de Berkeley. Given that the Mautravers/Gorges were born say
1260 and Anastasia was likely born about the same time her husband was,
that is, 1264, they were contemporaries and possibly siblings. If so,
their parents were who?
Maltravers/Mautravers
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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CE Wood
Re: Maltravers/Mautravers
1-Sir JOHN IV MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1238, d. <28 Feb 1296/7)
+JOAN de Sandford
|--2-Sir JOHN V MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1260, d. <Jun 1341
| + m. <1289, 1st, ELEANOR de GORGES (b. Abt 1262, d. >1314)
| + m. >6 Aug 1324, 2nd h, 2nd w, JOAN FOLIOT (b. 1295, d. <11
Feb 1348/9)
|--2-ANASTASIA MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1263)
| + Sir HERBERT V de St. QUINTIN (b. Abt 1263, d. <1301)
CE Wood
mhollick@mac.com wrote:
+JOAN de Sandford
|--2-Sir JOHN V MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1260, d. <Jun 1341
| + m. <1289, 1st, ELEANOR de GORGES (b. Abt 1262, d. >1314)
| + m. >6 Aug 1324, 2nd h, 2nd w, JOAN FOLIOT (b. 1295, d. <11
Feb 1348/9)
|--2-ANASTASIA MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1263)
| + Sir HERBERT V de St. QUINTIN (b. Abt 1263, d. <1301)
CE Wood
mhollick@mac.com wrote:
Similarly, Herbert St. Quintin (b. 1264) the son of the Herbert St.
Quintin and Margery de Faucomberge, is said to have married Anastasia
de Mautravers, daughter of Sir John Mautravers. Was Anastasia the
sister of the Sir John Mautravers who married Eleanor de Gorges? Their
son, another Sir John, born about 1290, d. 16 Feb 1364, married
Milicent de Berkeley. Given that the Mautravers/Gorges were born say
1260 and Anastasia was likely born about the same time her husband was,
that is, 1264, they were contemporaries and possibly siblings. If so,
their parents were who?
-
Louise Staley
Re: Maltravers/Mautravers
I think I may be confused here. From these and other posts I have the
following ahnentafel. Is this ancestry the generally accepted one for
Sir Herbert St. Quintin 1st Baron St. Quintin? Like Martin [?] I am
looking for sources and ideas about the blanks?
1. Sir Herbert St. Quintin Baron St. Quintin 1st, son of Herbert St.
Quintin and Lora Fauconberg, was born on 17 Jun 1303 in
Holderness, YKS, ENG, died in May 1347, and was buried on 10
Jul 1347.
2. Herbert St. Quintin,(1) son of Herbert St. Quintin and Anastasia
Maltravers, was born about 1284(1) and died before 7 Feb
1339(1).
3. Lora Fauconberg, daughter of William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton.
4. Herbert St. Quintin, son of Herbert St. Quintin and Margery
Fauconberg, was born in 1264 and died before 1301.
5. Anastasia Maltravers, daughter of Sir John Maltravers and Joan
Sandford, was born about 1263.
6. William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton, son of Sir Walter Fauconberg
Baron Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress, was born in
1264.
8. Herbert St. Quintin died in 1304.
9. Margery Fauconberg, daughter of Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron
Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress.
10. Sir John Maltravers (2) died about 28 Feb 1297(2).
11. Joan Sandford.
12. Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron Fauconberg 1st,(3) son of Sir Piers
Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness and Margaret Muntfichet, was
born in 1215 in Rise, YKS, ENG(3) and died about 1 Nov 1304 in
Rise, YKS, ENG(3).
13. Agnes Brus co-heiress, daughter of Peter Brus Lord of Skelton
and Hawis Lancaster, was born in 1230 in Skelton, YKS, ENG and
died before 25 May 1280 in Guisborough, CLV, ENG.
18. Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron Fauconberg 1st,(3) son of Sir Piers
Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness and Margaret Muntfichet, was
born in 1215 in Rise, YKS, ENG(3) and died about 1 Nov 1304 in
Rise, YKS, ENG(3).
19. Agnes Brus co-heiress, daughter of Peter Brus Lord of Skelton
and Hawis Lancaster, was born in 1230 in Skelton, YKS, ENG and
died before 25 May 1280 in Guisborough, CLV, ENG.
24. Sir Piers Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness was born in 1165 and
died after 1230 in Withenwick, YKS, ENG.
25. Margaret Muntfichet .
26. Peter Brus Lord of Skelton, son of Peter Brus of Skelton, YKS,
died in 1240 in Marseilles, , Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur,
France.
27. Hawis Lancaster, daughter of Gilbert Fitz Roger and Helewise
Lancaster Baroness Kendal.
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Sources
1. Cokayne, George Edward & Vicary Gibbs, The Complete Peerage of
England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom,
Extant, Extinct or Dormant, (London, St. Catherine Press Ltd.,
1910), XI: 368 (c).
2. Ibid, VIII: 579.
3. Ibid, V: 267-9.
Thanks
Louise
following ahnentafel. Is this ancestry the generally accepted one for
Sir Herbert St. Quintin 1st Baron St. Quintin? Like Martin [?] I am
looking for sources and ideas about the blanks?
1. Sir Herbert St. Quintin Baron St. Quintin 1st, son of Herbert St.
Quintin and Lora Fauconberg, was born on 17 Jun 1303 in
Holderness, YKS, ENG, died in May 1347, and was buried on 10
Jul 1347.
2. Herbert St. Quintin,(1) son of Herbert St. Quintin and Anastasia
Maltravers, was born about 1284(1) and died before 7 Feb
1339(1).
3. Lora Fauconberg, daughter of William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton.
4. Herbert St. Quintin, son of Herbert St. Quintin and Margery
Fauconberg, was born in 1264 and died before 1301.
5. Anastasia Maltravers, daughter of Sir John Maltravers and Joan
Sandford, was born about 1263.
6. William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton, son of Sir Walter Fauconberg
Baron Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress, was born in
1264.
8. Herbert St. Quintin died in 1304.
9. Margery Fauconberg, daughter of Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron
Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress.
10. Sir John Maltravers (2) died about 28 Feb 1297(2).
11. Joan Sandford.
12. Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron Fauconberg 1st,(3) son of Sir Piers
Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness and Margaret Muntfichet, was
born in 1215 in Rise, YKS, ENG(3) and died about 1 Nov 1304 in
Rise, YKS, ENG(3).
13. Agnes Brus co-heiress, daughter of Peter Brus Lord of Skelton
and Hawis Lancaster, was born in 1230 in Skelton, YKS, ENG and
died before 25 May 1280 in Guisborough, CLV, ENG.
18. Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron Fauconberg 1st,(3) son of Sir Piers
Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness and Margaret Muntfichet, was
born in 1215 in Rise, YKS, ENG(3) and died about 1 Nov 1304 in
Rise, YKS, ENG(3).
19. Agnes Brus co-heiress, daughter of Peter Brus Lord of Skelton
and Hawis Lancaster, was born in 1230 in Skelton, YKS, ENG and
died before 25 May 1280 in Guisborough, CLV, ENG.
24. Sir Piers Fauconberg of Rise in Holderness was born in 1165 and
died after 1230 in Withenwick, YKS, ENG.
25. Margaret Muntfichet .
26. Peter Brus Lord of Skelton, son of Peter Brus of Skelton, YKS,
died in 1240 in Marseilles, , Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur,
France.
27. Hawis Lancaster, daughter of Gilbert Fitz Roger and Helewise
Lancaster Baroness Kendal.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources
1. Cokayne, George Edward & Vicary Gibbs, The Complete Peerage of
England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom,
Extant, Extinct or Dormant, (London, St. Catherine Press Ltd.,
1910), XI: 368 (c).
2. Ibid, VIII: 579.
3. Ibid, V: 267-9.
Thanks
Louise
CE Wood wrote:
1-Sir JOHN IV MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1238, d. <28 Feb 1296/7)
+JOAN de Sandford
|--2-Sir JOHN V MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1260, d. <Jun 1341
| + m. <1289, 1st, ELEANOR de GORGES (b. Abt 1262, d. >1314)
| + m. >6 Aug 1324, 2nd h, 2nd w, JOAN FOLIOT (b. 1295, d. <11
Feb 1348/9)
|--2-ANASTASIA MALTRAVERS (b. Abt 1263)
| + Sir HERBERT V de St. QUINTIN (b. Abt 1263, d. <1301)
CE Wood
mhollick@mac.com wrote:
Similarly, Herbert St. Quintin (b. 1264) the son of the Herbert St.
Quintin and Margery de Faucomberge, is said to have married Anastasia
de Mautravers, daughter of Sir John Mautravers. Was Anastasia the
sister of the Sir John Mautravers who married Eleanor de Gorges? Their
son, another Sir John, born about 1290, d. 16 Feb 1364, married
Milicent de Berkeley. Given that the Mautravers/Gorges were born say
1260 and Anastasia was likely born about the same time her husband was,
that is, 1264, they were contemporaries and possibly siblings. If so,
their parents were who?
-
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
RE: Maltravers/Mautravers
Louise,
In your ahnentafel below, you show Anastasia Maltravers as a daughter of John Maltravers
and Joan Sandford. I have only seen two daughters attributed to these parents, Joan, wife
of 1) Ralfe de Warren and 2) Allen de Cheny and Alice, wife of John Browning. Do the
sources you cite provide this daughter of John and Joan or do you have other sources for
this information.
Thank you for your help.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
<Snip>
In your ahnentafel below, you show Anastasia Maltravers as a daughter of John Maltravers
and Joan Sandford. I have only seen two daughters attributed to these parents, Joan, wife
of 1) Ralfe de Warren and 2) Allen de Cheny and Alice, wife of John Browning. Do the
sources you cite provide this daughter of John and Joan or do you have other sources for
this information.
Thank you for your help.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Staley [mailto:caramut@removethis.bigpond.com.au]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 21:42
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Maltravers/Mautravers
I think I may be confused here. From these and other posts I have the
following ahnentafel. Is this ancestry the generally accepted one for
Sir Herbert St. Quintin 1st Baron St. Quintin? Like Martin [?] I am
looking for sources and ideas about the blanks?
1. Sir Herbert St. Quintin Baron St. Quintin 1st, son of
Herbert St.
Quintin and Lora Fauconberg, was born on 17 Jun 1303 in
Holderness, YKS, ENG, died in May 1347, and was buried on 10
Jul 1347.
2. Herbert St. Quintin,(1) son of Herbert St. Quintin and
Anastasia
Maltravers, was born about 1284(1) and died before 7 Feb
1339(1).
3. Lora Fauconberg, daughter of William Fauconberg Lord
of Skelton.
4. Herbert St. Quintin, son of Herbert St. Quintin and Margery
Fauconberg, was born in 1264 and died before 1301.
5. Anastasia Maltravers, daughter of Sir John Maltravers and Joan
Sandford, was born about 1263.
6. William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton, son of Sir Walter
Fauconberg
Baron Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress, was born in
1264.
8. Herbert St. Quintin died in 1304.
9. Margery Fauconberg, daughter of Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron
Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress.
10. Sir John Maltravers (2) died about 28 Feb 1297(2).
11. Joan Sandford.
<Snip>
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Sources
1. Cokayne, George Edward & Vicary Gibbs, The Complete Peerage of
England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the
United Kingdom,
Extant, Extinct or Dormant, (London, St. Catherine Press Ltd.,
1910), XI: 368 (c).
2. Ibid, VIII: 579.
3. Ibid, V: 267-9.
Thanks
Louise
-
Louise Staley
Re: Maltravers/Mautravers
Richard,
Thank-you for asking this question, it is the sort of post I am looking
for. Using the example you query, I only got Anastasia as a daughter of
John Maltravers and Joan Sandford from the preceding post in this thread
from CE Wood. As such I have no sources for this attribution. Perhaps CE
Wood could post his/her sources?
Louise
Thank-you for asking this question, it is the sort of post I am looking
for. Using the example you query, I only got Anastasia as a daughter of
John Maltravers and Joan Sandford from the preceding post in this thread
from CE Wood. As such I have no sources for this attribution. Perhaps CE
Wood could post his/her sources?
Louise
Richard C. Browning, Jr. wrote:
Louise,
In your ahnentafel below, you show Anastasia Maltravers as a daughter of John Maltravers
and Joan Sandford. I have only seen two daughters attributed to these parents, Joan, wife
of 1) Ralfe de Warren and 2) Allen de Cheny and Alice, wife of John Browning. Do the
sources you cite provide this daughter of John and Joan or do you have other sources for
this information.
Thank you for your help.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Staley [mailto:caramut@removethis.bigpond.com.au]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 21:42
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Maltravers/Mautravers
I think I may be confused here. From these and other posts I have the
following ahnentafel. Is this ancestry the generally accepted one for
Sir Herbert St. Quintin 1st Baron St. Quintin? Like Martin [?] I am
looking for sources and ideas about the blanks?
1. Sir Herbert St. Quintin Baron St. Quintin 1st, son of
Herbert St.
Quintin and Lora Fauconberg, was born on 17 Jun 1303 in
Holderness, YKS, ENG, died in May 1347, and was buried on 10
Jul 1347.
2. Herbert St. Quintin,(1) son of Herbert St. Quintin and
Anastasia
Maltravers, was born about 1284(1) and died before 7 Feb
1339(1).
3. Lora Fauconberg, daughter of William Fauconberg Lord
of Skelton.
4. Herbert St. Quintin, son of Herbert St. Quintin and Margery
Fauconberg, was born in 1264 and died before 1301.
5. Anastasia Maltravers, daughter of Sir John Maltravers and Joan
Sandford, was born about 1263.
6. William Fauconberg Lord of Skelton, son of Sir Walter
Fauconberg
Baron Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress, was born in
1264.
8. Herbert St. Quintin died in 1304.
9. Margery Fauconberg, daughter of Sir Walter Fauconberg Baron
Fauconberg 1st and Agnes Brus co-heiress.
10. Sir John Maltravers (2) died about 28 Feb 1297(2).
11. Joan Sandford.
Snip
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Sources
1. Cokayne, George Edward & Vicary Gibbs, The Complete Peerage of
England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the
United Kingdom,
Extant, Extinct or Dormant, (London, St. Catherine Press Ltd.,
1910), XI: 368 (c).
2. Ibid, VIII: 579.
3. Ibid, V: 267-9.
Thanks
Louise