Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
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Brad Verity
Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
The close of the 16th century is the furthest I've gotten so far for an
unbroken female descent from Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam, and had 4 daus:
1. Alice Stafford m. John Savage of Castleton(d. 1605), and had 7 sons
and 2 daus
2. Gertrude Stafford(d. 1624) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop, and had 8 sons
and 4 daus
3. Ann Stafford(d. by 1606) m. Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw, and had 7
sons and 4 daus
4. Catherine Stafford(d. 1595) m. Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, and had
7 sons and 8 daus
If anyone has any information on the children of the above four
Stafford of Eyam sisters, I'd appreciate it.
Cheers, ------Brad
unbroken female descent from Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam, and had 4 daus:
1. Alice Stafford m. John Savage of Castleton(d. 1605), and had 7 sons
and 2 daus
2. Gertrude Stafford(d. 1624) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop, and had 8 sons
and 4 daus
3. Ann Stafford(d. by 1606) m. Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw, and had 7
sons and 4 daus
4. Catherine Stafford(d. 1595) m. Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, and had
7 sons and 8 daus
If anyone has any information on the children of the above four
Stafford of Eyam sisters, I'd appreciate it.
Cheers, ------Brad
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
With respect to Eyre, in CP Vol IV p 413 (Dormer)
"Rowland (Dormer), [4th] Baron Dormer of Wyng 1st cousin once removed and h.
male, [of 3rd Baron] being s and h of Robert Dormer of Grove Park, co
Warwick, by Anne, da. of Rowland Eyre, of Hassop, co. Derby, which Robert was s and
h of the Hon Anthony Dormer, of Grove Park afsd., 2nd s. of the 1st Baron.
He d. unm, 27 Sept. 1712 aged 61, and was bur at Budbroke, co Warwick. M.I."
I don't think this Rowland Eyre is the same as in your post, but presumably
a descendant or close relative. (Rowland Dormer 61 when he died, was
therefore born 1651, as a v rough estimate suppose his grandfather Rowland Eyre was
born 60 years earlier, ie 1590s)
In "Signpost To Eyrecourt" Ida Gantz talks about the "House of Hassop", her
book is on the Eyre's who were created Barons, but I can seen no mention of
either a Rowland Eyre or Hassop in Burke's extinct peerage. There are other
branches of the Eyres in Burke's landed gentry, but again I can't see Rowland.
In later generations the Eyers become fiendishly complicated, many
intermarriages. Their seat at Eyrecourt, co Galway survived until 20c, but now only
the chapel walls remain — and the staircase which is held by the Detroit
Institute of Arts.
BTW the village of Eyam was devastated by plague in the mid 1600's. I
believe a comprehensive list was kept of all the deaths. It was featured in a
modern well know play — so well known, I can't remember the author or title —
"Roses of Eyam" perhaps.
Adrian
In a message dated 09/08/2005 08:56:04 GMT Standard Time,
batruth@hotmail.com writes:
Brad wrote,
The close of the 16th century is the furthest I've gotten so far for an
unbroken female descent from Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam, and had 4 daus:
1. Alice Stafford m. John Savage of Castleton(d. 1605), and had 7 sons
and 2 daus
2. Gertrude Stafford(d. 1624) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop, and had 8 sons
and 4 daus
3. Ann Stafford(d. by 1606) m. Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw, and had 7
sons and 4 daus
4. Catherine Stafford(d. 1595) m. Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, and had
7 sons and 8 daus
If anyone has any information on the children of the above four
Stafford of Eyam sisters, I'd appreciate it.
Cheers, ------Brad
"Rowland (Dormer), [4th] Baron Dormer of Wyng 1st cousin once removed and h.
male, [of 3rd Baron] being s and h of Robert Dormer of Grove Park, co
Warwick, by Anne, da. of Rowland Eyre, of Hassop, co. Derby, which Robert was s and
h of the Hon Anthony Dormer, of Grove Park afsd., 2nd s. of the 1st Baron.
He d. unm, 27 Sept. 1712 aged 61, and was bur at Budbroke, co Warwick. M.I."
I don't think this Rowland Eyre is the same as in your post, but presumably
a descendant or close relative. (Rowland Dormer 61 when he died, was
therefore born 1651, as a v rough estimate suppose his grandfather Rowland Eyre was
born 60 years earlier, ie 1590s)
In "Signpost To Eyrecourt" Ida Gantz talks about the "House of Hassop", her
book is on the Eyre's who were created Barons, but I can seen no mention of
either a Rowland Eyre or Hassop in Burke's extinct peerage. There are other
branches of the Eyres in Burke's landed gentry, but again I can't see Rowland.
In later generations the Eyers become fiendishly complicated, many
intermarriages. Their seat at Eyrecourt, co Galway survived until 20c, but now only
the chapel walls remain — and the staircase which is held by the Detroit
Institute of Arts.
BTW the village of Eyam was devastated by plague in the mid 1600's. I
believe a comprehensive list was kept of all the deaths. It was featured in a
modern well know play — so well known, I can't remember the author or title —
"Roses of Eyam" perhaps.
Adrian
In a message dated 09/08/2005 08:56:04 GMT Standard Time,
batruth@hotmail.com writes:
Brad wrote,
The close of the 16th century is the furthest I've gotten so far for an
unbroken female descent from Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam, and had 4 daus:
1. Alice Stafford m. John Savage of Castleton(d. 1605), and had 7 sons
and 2 daus
2. Gertrude Stafford(d. 1624) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop, and had 8 sons
and 4 daus
3. Ann Stafford(d. by 1606) m. Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw, and had 7
sons and 4 daus
4. Catherine Stafford(d. 1595) m. Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, and had
7 sons and 8 daus
If anyone has any information on the children of the above four
Stafford of Eyam sisters, I'd appreciate it.
Cheers, ------Brad
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Brad Verity
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Anne Eyre Dormer was the great-granddaughter of Gertrude Stafford and
Rowland Eyre:
Gertrude Stafford, of Eyam, m. about 1569, Rowland Eyre, of Hassop,
Derbyshire (Nov. 1533-1626), son and heir of Stephen Eyre, of Hassop
(d. about 1557), by his wife Anne Blackwall. Their son:
Thomas Eyre, of Hassop (d. 23 June 1637) m. 1593, Prudence Blackwall.
Their son:
Rowland Eyre, of Hassop (d. 1672) m. 1620, Ann Smith. Their dau:
Anne Eyre m. about 1648, Robert Dormer, of Grove Park, Warwickshire
I found Rowland and the above descent on a thorough website:
http://www.eyrehistory.co.uk/index.html
The information on the website need to be verified, but it provides the
names of two of Gertrude Stafford and Rowland Eyre's four daughters:
A) Jane Eyre (of course, how Bronte) m. Christopher Pegge, of
Yeldersley, Derbyshire
B) Frances Eyre
Eyrecourt is covered on the website above.
I took the Stafford of Eyam information from two interesting weblinks:
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genu ... dHall.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~joochie/savage.html
The latter website seems especially well-researched. It debunks the
theory that Alice Stafford, purported wife of gateway ancestor Capt.
Anthony Savage (d. 1695), of Virginia (and mother of his dau Dorothy
Savage, wife of William Strother), was dau of Humphrey Stafford of Eyam
and Lucy Eyre of Holm Hall.
I was excited thinking for a moment that Virginia-born Dorothy Savage
was a direct female-line descendant of Edward I, but it just ain't the
case.
So, I'm off to try and track down the Pegges of Yeldersley.
Thanks and Cheers, -----Brad
With respect to Eyre, in CP Vol IV p 413 (Dormer)
"Rowland (Dormer), [4th] Baron Dormer of Wyng 1st cousin once removed and h.
male, [of 3rd Baron] being s and h of Robert Dormer of Grove Park, co
Warwick, by Anne, da. of Rowland Eyre, of Hassop, co. Derby, which Robert was s and
h of the Hon Anthony Dormer, of Grove Park afsd., 2nd s. of the 1st Baron.
He d. unm, 27 Sept. 1712 aged 61, and was bur at Budbroke, co Warwick. M.I."
I don't think this Rowland Eyre is the same as in your post, but presumably
a descendant or close relative. (Rowland Dormer 61 when he died, was
therefore born 1651, as a v rough estimate suppose his grandfather Rowland Eyre was
born 60 years earlier, ie 1590s)
Anne Eyre Dormer was the great-granddaughter of Gertrude Stafford and
Rowland Eyre:
Gertrude Stafford, of Eyam, m. about 1569, Rowland Eyre, of Hassop,
Derbyshire (Nov. 1533-1626), son and heir of Stephen Eyre, of Hassop
(d. about 1557), by his wife Anne Blackwall. Their son:
Thomas Eyre, of Hassop (d. 23 June 1637) m. 1593, Prudence Blackwall.
Their son:
Rowland Eyre, of Hassop (d. 1672) m. 1620, Ann Smith. Their dau:
Anne Eyre m. about 1648, Robert Dormer, of Grove Park, Warwickshire
In "Signpost To Eyrecourt" Ida Gantz talks about the "House of Hassop", her
book is on the Eyre's who were created Barons, but I can seen no mention of
either a Rowland Eyre or Hassop in Burke's extinct peerage. There are other
branches of the Eyres in Burke's landed gentry, but again I can't see Rowland.
I found Rowland and the above descent on a thorough website:
http://www.eyrehistory.co.uk/index.html
The information on the website need to be verified, but it provides the
names of two of Gertrude Stafford and Rowland Eyre's four daughters:
A) Jane Eyre (of course, how Bronte) m. Christopher Pegge, of
Yeldersley, Derbyshire
B) Frances Eyre
In later generations the Eyers become fiendishly complicated, many
intermarriages. Their seat at Eyrecourt, co Galway survived until 20c, but now only
the chapel walls remain - and the staircase which is held by the Detroit
Institute of Arts.
Eyrecourt is covered on the website above.
BTW the village of Eyam was devastated by plague in the mid 1600's. I
believe a comprehensive list was kept of all the deaths. It was featured in a
modern well know play - so well known, I can't remember the author or title -
"Roses of Eyam" perhaps.
I took the Stafford of Eyam information from two interesting weblinks:
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genu ... dHall.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~joochie/savage.html
The latter website seems especially well-researched. It debunks the
theory that Alice Stafford, purported wife of gateway ancestor Capt.
Anthony Savage (d. 1695), of Virginia (and mother of his dau Dorothy
Savage, wife of William Strother), was dau of Humphrey Stafford of Eyam
and Lucy Eyre of Holm Hall.
I was excited thinking for a moment that Virginia-born Dorothy Savage
was a direct female-line descendant of Edward I, but it just ain't the
case.
So, I'm off to try and track down the Pegges of Yeldersley.
Thanks and Cheers, -----Brad
-
Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
For what it is worth, http://www.stirnet.com in its page on Eyre of Hassop
says that "probably" one of the daughters of Rowland Eyre and Gertrude
Stafford was Mary wife of William Blundell of Crosby (ff 1648); this
couple is given a daughter, Emilia, wife to Richard 5th Viscount
Mountgarret. The sources quoted are Burke's Commoners vol iv, sub Eyre
of Rampton; BP 1934 sub Newburgh & TCP ditto [not relevant to this
strand] plus Burke's Landed Gentry 1952 sub Blundell of Crosby.
Perhaps this will give you a steer.
I can't see any obvious PCC wills for the elder Rowland Eyre or for
this Christopher Pegge
says that "probably" one of the daughters of Rowland Eyre and Gertrude
Stafford was Mary wife of William Blundell of Crosby (ff 1648); this
couple is given a daughter, Emilia, wife to Richard 5th Viscount
Mountgarret. The sources quoted are Burke's Commoners vol iv, sub Eyre
of Rampton; BP 1934 sub Newburgh & TCP ditto [not relevant to this
strand] plus Burke's Landed Gentry 1952 sub Blundell of Crosby.
Perhaps this will give you a steer.
I can't see any obvious PCC wills for the elder Rowland Eyre or for
this Christopher Pegge
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
A2A also has some material from the archives of the Blundell family of
Crosby, e.g.:
FILE [no title] - ref. DDBL 24/23 - date: nd
[from Scope and Content] Account of the life and death of Mrs.
Blundell, daughter of Rowland Eyre, esq. at Ghent, on 2 Dec. 1707.
This death date would suggest she can hardly have been daughter of
parents married in 1569, so presumably she belongs like Anne Dormer to
three generations further down on the Eyre tree, an assumption borne
out by the following:
FILE - Post nuptial settlement - ref. Bag C/2705 - date: 12
Apr 1668
[from Scope and Content] William Blundell of Little Crosby
in the parish of Sefton, Lancs, esquire, and William Blundell his son
and heir, to trustees (named), in consideration of the marriage between
William Blundell the son and Mary Eyre now his wife (daughter of
Rowland Eyre of Hassop). The Capital messuage or manor of Little
Crosbie and the moiety of the manor of Ditton and other property
(described), for £1,200, Mary's dowry; to stated uses.
Stirnet says the elder Rowland died in 1624. A2A also contains many
documents from the Eyre of Hassop muniments, but although a quick scan
names varipus of his sons (i.e. Thomas, Adam, George, Rowland, Roger,
Peter & Jarvis) and shows that his eldest son Thomas (d 1637) was his
heir, I couldn't see anything about his daughters other than naming
Frances (supra)
See
Bagshawe Collection
Catalogue Ref. Bag C
Creator(s):
Bagshawe, Benjamin, d 1907, antiquarian
Bagshawe, E G, d 1956, antiquarian
PART I THE ANTIQUARIAN COLLECTION
A. THE EYRES OF HASSOP
[from Administrative History] The Eyres were an important and
numerous family in Derbyshire in the Middle Ages. The Hassop branch,
traced back to Stephen Eyre of Hassop in the 15th century, became
prominent in the 16th, particularly during the lifetime of Rowland Eyre
who married one of Humphrey Stafford's co-heirs and acquired the manor
of Rowland. The family were recusants and during the Civil War,
delinquents. In the 19th century, Francis Eyre, the owner of the
estate, succeeded to the titular earldon of Newburgh. The male line
died out in the later 19th century.
(These documents - apart from the relative silence on the elder
Rowland's daughters! - give much genealogical data about his
descendants, which might be useful to anyone researching lines from
Edward I).
Returning to the question of Christopher Pegge, the Eyre papers include
these bonds:
FILE - Bond - ref. Bag C/2740 - date: 5 Sep 1591
[from Scope and Content] Geoffrey Robartes of London and
John Robartes, haberdashers, bound to Christopher Pegge of Clements
Inn, in £44, to pay £22 at the home of Rowland Eyre at Hassop.
FILE - Bond - ref. Bag C/2752 - date: 1 Nov 1615
[from Scope and Content] Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley
(co. Derby), bound to Rowland Eyre of Hassop, in £200, to pay £10 per
annum at specified dates during the life of Rowland Eyre.
Similarly this item links the families:
FILE - Feoffment - ref. Bag C/1263 - date: 11 Aug 1611
[from Scope and Content] Christopher Pegge of
Yeldersley, gentleman, and Jane his wife, to Thomas Eyre of Hassopp.
Two messuages.
and this may help with details of the other daughters:
3. FAMILY SETTLEMENTS, WILLS, MORTGAGES
FILE - Settlement - ref. Bag C/2614 - date: 27 Mar 1600
[from Scope and Content] Roland Eyre of Hassoppe and Thomas
Eyre, his son, to John Manners of Haddon, George Manners, his son,
Roger Columbell of Darley, Anthony Eyre, son of Gervase Eyre, of Reton,
Christopher Pegge of Kneveton and Thomas Merell, Roland Eyre's servant.
Manors of Hasseppe, Pyllesley, Wormehill and Chelmarton; and property
in Brampton, Wygley Hall, Calver [many others specified]. To the use of
Thomas Eyre and his issue, and in default to Roland's other six sons
and their issue in order and other relatives [all named].
Cheers
MAR
Crosby, e.g.:
FILE [no title] - ref. DDBL 24/23 - date: nd
[from Scope and Content] Account of the life and death of Mrs.
Blundell, daughter of Rowland Eyre, esq. at Ghent, on 2 Dec. 1707.
This death date would suggest she can hardly have been daughter of
parents married in 1569, so presumably she belongs like Anne Dormer to
three generations further down on the Eyre tree, an assumption borne
out by the following:
FILE - Post nuptial settlement - ref. Bag C/2705 - date: 12
Apr 1668
[from Scope and Content] William Blundell of Little Crosby
in the parish of Sefton, Lancs, esquire, and William Blundell his son
and heir, to trustees (named), in consideration of the marriage between
William Blundell the son and Mary Eyre now his wife (daughter of
Rowland Eyre of Hassop). The Capital messuage or manor of Little
Crosbie and the moiety of the manor of Ditton and other property
(described), for £1,200, Mary's dowry; to stated uses.
Stirnet says the elder Rowland died in 1624. A2A also contains many
documents from the Eyre of Hassop muniments, but although a quick scan
names varipus of his sons (i.e. Thomas, Adam, George, Rowland, Roger,
Peter & Jarvis) and shows that his eldest son Thomas (d 1637) was his
heir, I couldn't see anything about his daughters other than naming
Frances (supra)
See
Bagshawe Collection
Catalogue Ref. Bag C
Creator(s):
Bagshawe, Benjamin, d 1907, antiquarian
Bagshawe, E G, d 1956, antiquarian
PART I THE ANTIQUARIAN COLLECTION
A. THE EYRES OF HASSOP
[from Administrative History] The Eyres were an important and
numerous family in Derbyshire in the Middle Ages. The Hassop branch,
traced back to Stephen Eyre of Hassop in the 15th century, became
prominent in the 16th, particularly during the lifetime of Rowland Eyre
who married one of Humphrey Stafford's co-heirs and acquired the manor
of Rowland. The family were recusants and during the Civil War,
delinquents. In the 19th century, Francis Eyre, the owner of the
estate, succeeded to the titular earldon of Newburgh. The male line
died out in the later 19th century.
(These documents - apart from the relative silence on the elder
Rowland's daughters! - give much genealogical data about his
descendants, which might be useful to anyone researching lines from
Edward I).
Returning to the question of Christopher Pegge, the Eyre papers include
these bonds:
FILE - Bond - ref. Bag C/2740 - date: 5 Sep 1591
[from Scope and Content] Geoffrey Robartes of London and
John Robartes, haberdashers, bound to Christopher Pegge of Clements
Inn, in £44, to pay £22 at the home of Rowland Eyre at Hassop.
FILE - Bond - ref. Bag C/2752 - date: 1 Nov 1615
[from Scope and Content] Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley
(co. Derby), bound to Rowland Eyre of Hassop, in £200, to pay £10 per
annum at specified dates during the life of Rowland Eyre.
Similarly this item links the families:
FILE - Feoffment - ref. Bag C/1263 - date: 11 Aug 1611
[from Scope and Content] Christopher Pegge of
Yeldersley, gentleman, and Jane his wife, to Thomas Eyre of Hassopp.
Two messuages.
and this may help with details of the other daughters:
3. FAMILY SETTLEMENTS, WILLS, MORTGAGES
FILE - Settlement - ref. Bag C/2614 - date: 27 Mar 1600
[from Scope and Content] Roland Eyre of Hassoppe and Thomas
Eyre, his son, to John Manners of Haddon, George Manners, his son,
Roger Columbell of Darley, Anthony Eyre, son of Gervase Eyre, of Reton,
Christopher Pegge of Kneveton and Thomas Merell, Roland Eyre's servant.
Manors of Hasseppe, Pyllesley, Wormehill and Chelmarton; and property
in Brampton, Wygley Hall, Calver [many others specified]. To the use of
Thomas Eyre and his issue, and in default to Roland's other six sons
and their issue in order and other relatives [all named].
Cheers
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
The IGI has at least three children for Christopher Pegge: Thomas,
baptised at Knyveton, Derbyshire in 1603 (he appears in some of the A2A
records as well) and Prudence Pegge and Anne Pegge, baptised at
Knyveton 15 October 1598 and 11 April 1602 respectively.
We know that Jane Pegge nee Eyre was still living in 1611, so it would
appear that Anne & Prudence [the name of Thomas Eyre's wife] are her
daughters - assuming that the IGI record is an accurate reflection of
the primary documents...
baptised at Knyveton, Derbyshire in 1603 (he appears in some of the A2A
records as well) and Prudence Pegge and Anne Pegge, baptised at
Knyveton 15 October 1598 and 11 April 1602 respectively.
We know that Jane Pegge nee Eyre was still living in 1611, so it would
appear that Anne & Prudence [the name of Thomas Eyre's wife] are her
daughters - assuming that the IGI record is an accurate reflection of
the primary documents...
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
IGI also has one marriage for a Prudence Pegge, to John Hollingworth at
Mottram in Cheshire, 24 September 1615. The Hollingworths are a well
documented gentry family (as it happens, my grandmother was a Miss
Hollingworth Andrews of Derbyshire); I can look up the Visitation and
other family papers for them if you are interested. This John
Hollingworth is possibly the one of that name mentioned in the
following Eyre paper:
FILE - Settlement (lease and release) - ref. Bag C/2629,2631 - date:
19-20 Dec 1638
[from Scope and Content] Rowland Eyre of Hassop, to Robert
Throckmerton of Weston (co. Bucks), Thomas Smith of Charley (co.
Leicester) and John Hollingworth of Hollingworth (co. Chester). Manors
of Hassop, Rowland, Calver, Thornhill, Wormhill and Hedlaston, with
other (specified) property in Derbyshire; the capital messuage of
Eastwell (co. Leics): and property in Stramshall, Newborough and
Ridware (co. Staffs); to the use of Rowland Eyre for life, and then for
the purpose of providing £50 apiece yearly for his younger sons
Francis, Rowland, William and Stephen, out of the manors of Hassop
Rowland and Calver; as to the rest of the premises conveyed to the
trustees, to the use of Thomas, Rowland's eldest son and heir and for
raising portions of £1,000 apiece for Rowland's daughters Anne,
Dorothy, Prudence, Elizabeth and Ursula. The estates are already
charged with £100 a year for Rowland's younger brother, William and
the jointures of his mother Prudence Eyre, widow, and of his own wife,
Anne.
Mottram in Cheshire, 24 September 1615. The Hollingworths are a well
documented gentry family (as it happens, my grandmother was a Miss
Hollingworth Andrews of Derbyshire); I can look up the Visitation and
other family papers for them if you are interested. This John
Hollingworth is possibly the one of that name mentioned in the
following Eyre paper:
FILE - Settlement (lease and release) - ref. Bag C/2629,2631 - date:
19-20 Dec 1638
[from Scope and Content] Rowland Eyre of Hassop, to Robert
Throckmerton of Weston (co. Bucks), Thomas Smith of Charley (co.
Leicester) and John Hollingworth of Hollingworth (co. Chester). Manors
of Hassop, Rowland, Calver, Thornhill, Wormhill and Hedlaston, with
other (specified) property in Derbyshire; the capital messuage of
Eastwell (co. Leics): and property in Stramshall, Newborough and
Ridware (co. Staffs); to the use of Rowland Eyre for life, and then for
the purpose of providing £50 apiece yearly for his younger sons
Francis, Rowland, William and Stephen, out of the manors of Hassop
Rowland and Calver; as to the rest of the premises conveyed to the
trustees, to the use of Thomas, Rowland's eldest son and heir and for
raising portions of £1,000 apiece for Rowland's daughters Anne,
Dorothy, Prudence, Elizabeth and Ursula. The estates are already
charged with £100 a year for Rowland's younger brother, William and
the jointures of his mother Prudence Eyre, widow, and of his own wife,
Anne.
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
Dear Brad,
I am curious what you try to do. Why female lines and why Edward I?
You are aware that on Genealogics http://www.genealogics.com you can ask by
anyone first descendancy and then specify you want male lines only, or
female lines only.
Sadly for me in this case I do not have any more than what you have in the
female lines of descent from Edward I.
Best wishes
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity" <batruth@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
I am curious what you try to do. Why female lines and why Edward I?
You are aware that on Genealogics http://www.genealogics.com you can ask by
anyone first descendancy and then specify you want male lines only, or
female lines only.
Sadly for me in this case I do not have any more than what you have in the
female lines of descent from Edward I.
Best wishes
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity" <batruth@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
The close of the 16th century is the furthest I've gotten so far for an
unbroken female descent from Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam, and had 4 daus:
1. Alice Stafford m. John Savage of Castleton(d. 1605), and had 7 sons
and 2 daus
2. Gertrude Stafford(d. 1624) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop, and had 8 sons
and 4 daus
3. Ann Stafford(d. by 1606) m. Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw, and had 7
sons and 4 daus
4. Catherine Stafford(d. 1595) m. Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, and had
7 sons and 8 daus
If anyone has any information on the children of the above four
Stafford of Eyam sisters, I'd appreciate it.
Cheers, ------Brad
-
Brad Verity
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Dear MAR,
Thank you for the time and effort you put into searching A2A and
posting the results. You've saved me a tremendous amount of research
and I very much appreciate it.
You've also managed to extend the unbroken female descent of Edward I
one further generation - we are now on the verge of the English Civil
War with this line. So, it is more than appropriate that a mistress of
Charles II (and mother of one of his massive brood - my favorite line
from the tour guide of the Tower of London was, "Charles II had
seventeen children - his wife had none.") should appear.
Here is a recap of the descent:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam
Gertrude Stafford(d. by 1600) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop(d. 1626)
Jane Eyre(d. after 1611) m. Christopher Pegge
Thomas Pegge(b. 1603) m. Catherine Kniveton
Catherine Pegge(c.1635-1678) affair with Charles II, King of England
Charles Fitz Charles, Earl of Plymouth(1657-1680)
If Catherine Pegge had been born one generation earlier, she would have
been an unbroken female descent from Edward I, but as her line appears
to have failed anyways, it doesn't matter for the present goal.
"Katherine Pegge.
"Sir,-Katherine Pegge, one of the mistresses of Charles II., was
the daughter of Thomas Pegge, of Yeldersley, near Ashborne in
Derbyshire, Esq., where the family had been settled for several
generations, and where Mr. William Pegge, the last of the elder branch,
died without issue in 1768. Another branch of this family was of
Osmaston, in the same neighbourhood, and of this {91} was Dr. Samuel
Pegge, the learned antiquary. They bore for arms:-Argent, a
chevron between three piles, sable. Crest:-A demi-sun issuing from
a wreath or, the rays alternately argent and sable.
"It was during his exile that the King first met with the fair
Katherine, and in 1657 had a son by her, whom he called Charles
Fitz-Charles,-not Fitz-roy as Granger says. Fitz-Charles had a
grant of the royal arms with a baton sinistre, vairé; and in 1675 his
Majesty created him Earl of Plymouth, Viscount Totness, and Baron
Dartmouth. He was bred to the sea, and having been educated
abroad,-most probably in Spain,-was known by the name of Don
Carlos. In 1678 the Earl married the Lady Bridget Osborne, third
daughter of Thomas Earl of Danby, and died of a flux at the siege of
Tangier in 1680, without issue.
"Katherine Pegge, the Earl's mother, after her liaison with the King,
married Sir Edward Greene, Bart., of Samford in Essex, and died without
issue by him in --. From this marriage the King is sometimes said
to have had a mistress named Greene.
"There was long preserved in the family a half-length portrait of the
Earl, in a robe de chamber, laced cravat, and flowing hair (with a ship
in the back-ground of the picture), by Sir Peter Lely; and also two of
his mother, Lady Greene: one a half length, with her infant son
standing by her side, the other a three-quarters,-both by Sir Peter
Lely, or by one of his pupils.
"Both mother and son are said to have been eminently beautiful.
"G.M.
"East Winch, Nov. 30.
"N., who refers our Querist for particulars of this lady to the
"Memoirs of the Rev. Dr. Samuel Pegge and his Family," in
Nichols' Literary Anecdotes of the Eighteenth Century, vol. vi. pp.
224, 225, adds-"As the lady had no issue by Sir Edward Greene, it
perhaps does not matter what his family was.
"I see he was created a baronet 26th July, 1660, and died s. p. Dec.
1676; and that Courthope, in his Extinct Baronetage, calls his lady
'dau. of -- Pegg,' not being aware of her importance as the
mother of the Earl of Plymouth. This may be worth remarking."
There was also apparently a daughter born of the liaison of Catherine
Pegge and Charles II - Catherine FitzCharles(1658-1759), who became a
nun at Dunkirk, France, where she was known as Sister Cecelia.
Many thanks for this! We are now at the dawn of the English Civil War
with this unbroken female descent.
I would think that the John Hollingworth of Hollingworth, Cheshire, is
indeed the man who married Prudence Pegge. The following document
seems to confirm this:
Inventory of 1662 John HOLLINGWORTH gent. of Hollingworth
Inventory taken 12 Mar 1661
Inventory takers John HOLLINGWORTH of Tintwissle; John HOLLINGWORTH of
Roecrosse; Arthur COLLIER; John BATTY
mentions: wife Prudence the administrator -sworn in 17 Sep 1662
Mr SEVELL of Bakewell (Dby); Rowland EYRE Esq., of Hassop (Dby)
John HOLLINGWORTH of Tintwistle; Raph BOWER;
Mr Andrew WHITEHALL; Raph KNIDE
Servants: Nicholas BOOTH; W[illia]m WAGSTAFFE; Henry HYDE; Mary
HOLLINGWORTH;
Alice KIND[E]R; John MOSSE; George LAWTON
Prudence seems to have died a few years later:
"THE HOLLINGSWORTH REGISTER VOLUME I., NUMBER 1.
HOLLINGWORTH & HOLLINGSWORTH
IN WILLS & INVENTORIES OF CHESHIRE, ENGLAND
1545 - 1679
YEAR CHRISTIAN NAME SURNAME ABODE TYPE OF RECORD
1672 Prudence Do. Matley Do."
I would be very interested if you have the Hollingworth Visitation and
other family papers handy.
We are focusing on Prudence Pegge(1598-1672), m. John Hollingworth(d.
1661/2), of Hollingworth, Cheshire.
Again, many thanks.
Cheers, -----Brad
The IGI has at least three children for Christopher Pegge: Thomas,
baptised at Knyveton, Derbyshire in 1603 (he appears in some of the A2A
records as well) and Prudence Pegge and Anne Pegge, baptised at
Knyveton 15 October 1598 and 11 April 1602 respectively.
We know that Jane Pegge nee Eyre was still living in 1611, so it would
appear that Anne & Prudence [the name of Thomas Eyre's wife] are her
daughters - assuming that the IGI record is an accurate reflection of
the primary documents...
Dear MAR,
Thank you for the time and effort you put into searching A2A and
posting the results. You've saved me a tremendous amount of research
and I very much appreciate it.
You've also managed to extend the unbroken female descent of Edward I
one further generation - we are now on the verge of the English Civil
War with this line. So, it is more than appropriate that a mistress of
Charles II (and mother of one of his massive brood - my favorite line
from the tour guide of the Tower of London was, "Charles II had
seventeen children - his wife had none.") should appear.
Here is a recap of the descent:
Edward I
Joan of Acre(1272-1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester
Elizabeth de Clare(1295-1360) m. Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
Isabel de Verdun(1317-1349) m. Henry, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth de Ferrers(c.1335-1375) m. David, 12th Earl of Atholl
Elizabeth de Atholl(1361-1416) m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth Scrope(c.1395-1430) m. Thomas Clarell of Aldwark
Elizabeth Clarell(c.1415-1503) m. Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
Margaret Fitzwilliam m. Ralph Reresby of Thribergh(d. 1530)
Elizabeth Reresby m. Edward Eyre of Holm Hall(d. 1557)
Lucy Eyre(d. by 1556) m. Humphrey Stafford of Eyam
Gertrude Stafford(d. by 1600) m. Rowland Eyre of Hassop(d. 1626)
Jane Eyre(d. after 1611) m. Christopher Pegge
Thomas Pegge(b. 1603) m. Catherine Kniveton
Catherine Pegge(c.1635-1678) affair with Charles II, King of England
Charles Fitz Charles, Earl of Plymouth(1657-1680)
If Catherine Pegge had been born one generation earlier, she would have
been an unbroken female descent from Edward I, but as her line appears
to have failed anyways, it doesn't matter for the present goal.
From Notes and Queries, No. 6 (1849), online at the link:
http://www.sakoman.net/pg/html/13550.htm
"Katherine Pegge.
"Sir,-Katherine Pegge, one of the mistresses of Charles II., was
the daughter of Thomas Pegge, of Yeldersley, near Ashborne in
Derbyshire, Esq., where the family had been settled for several
generations, and where Mr. William Pegge, the last of the elder branch,
died without issue in 1768. Another branch of this family was of
Osmaston, in the same neighbourhood, and of this {91} was Dr. Samuel
Pegge, the learned antiquary. They bore for arms:-Argent, a
chevron between three piles, sable. Crest:-A demi-sun issuing from
a wreath or, the rays alternately argent and sable.
"It was during his exile that the King first met with the fair
Katherine, and in 1657 had a son by her, whom he called Charles
Fitz-Charles,-not Fitz-roy as Granger says. Fitz-Charles had a
grant of the royal arms with a baton sinistre, vairé; and in 1675 his
Majesty created him Earl of Plymouth, Viscount Totness, and Baron
Dartmouth. He was bred to the sea, and having been educated
abroad,-most probably in Spain,-was known by the name of Don
Carlos. In 1678 the Earl married the Lady Bridget Osborne, third
daughter of Thomas Earl of Danby, and died of a flux at the siege of
Tangier in 1680, without issue.
"Katherine Pegge, the Earl's mother, after her liaison with the King,
married Sir Edward Greene, Bart., of Samford in Essex, and died without
issue by him in --. From this marriage the King is sometimes said
to have had a mistress named Greene.
"There was long preserved in the family a half-length portrait of the
Earl, in a robe de chamber, laced cravat, and flowing hair (with a ship
in the back-ground of the picture), by Sir Peter Lely; and also two of
his mother, Lady Greene: one a half length, with her infant son
standing by her side, the other a three-quarters,-both by Sir Peter
Lely, or by one of his pupils.
"Both mother and son are said to have been eminently beautiful.
"G.M.
"East Winch, Nov. 30.
"N., who refers our Querist for particulars of this lady to the
"Memoirs of the Rev. Dr. Samuel Pegge and his Family," in
Nichols' Literary Anecdotes of the Eighteenth Century, vol. vi. pp.
224, 225, adds-"As the lady had no issue by Sir Edward Greene, it
perhaps does not matter what his family was.
"I see he was created a baronet 26th July, 1660, and died s. p. Dec.
1676; and that Courthope, in his Extinct Baronetage, calls his lady
'dau. of -- Pegg,' not being aware of her importance as the
mother of the Earl of Plymouth. This may be worth remarking."
There was also apparently a daughter born of the liaison of Catherine
Pegge and Charles II - Catherine FitzCharles(1658-1759), who became a
nun at Dunkirk, France, where she was known as Sister Cecelia.
IGI also has one marriage for a Prudence Pegge, to John Hollingworth at
Mottram in Cheshire, 24 September 1615.
Many thanks for this! We are now at the dawn of the English Civil War
with this unbroken female descent.
The Hollingworths are a well
documented gentry family (as it happens, my grandmother was a Miss
Hollingworth Andrews of Derbyshire); I can look up the Visitation and
other family papers for them if you are interested. This John
Hollingworth is possibly the one of that name mentioned in the
following Eyre paper:
I would think that the John Hollingworth of Hollingworth, Cheshire, is
indeed the man who married Prudence Pegge. The following document
seems to confirm this:
Inventory of 1662 John HOLLINGWORTH gent. of Hollingworth
Inventory taken 12 Mar 1661
Inventory takers John HOLLINGWORTH of Tintwissle; John HOLLINGWORTH of
Roecrosse; Arthur COLLIER; John BATTY
mentions: wife Prudence the administrator -sworn in 17 Sep 1662
Mr SEVELL of Bakewell (Dby); Rowland EYRE Esq., of Hassop (Dby)
John HOLLINGWORTH of Tintwistle; Raph BOWER;
Mr Andrew WHITEHALL; Raph KNIDE
Servants: Nicholas BOOTH; W[illia]m WAGSTAFFE; Henry HYDE; Mary
HOLLINGWORTH;
Alice KIND[E]R; John MOSSE; George LAWTON
Prudence seems to have died a few years later:
"THE HOLLINGSWORTH REGISTER VOLUME I., NUMBER 1.
HOLLINGWORTH & HOLLINGSWORTH
IN WILLS & INVENTORIES OF CHESHIRE, ENGLAND
1545 - 1679
YEAR CHRISTIAN NAME SURNAME ABODE TYPE OF RECORD
1672 Prudence Do. Matley Do."
I would be very interested if you have the Hollingworth Visitation and
other family papers handy.
We are focusing on Prudence Pegge(1598-1672), m. John Hollingworth(d.
1661/2), of Hollingworth, Cheshire.
Again, many thanks.
Cheers, -----Brad
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
Brad
I've had a quick look at my Hollingworth papers last night, and no
immediate joy beyond the will references you already have.
However, I have some further lines from Anne Stafford who married
Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw (born c.1555, ff. 1610). I see from some
online records that the elder Francis was succeeded by his son Francis.
A2A has the following
CO. DERBY - ref. BAG/13/3/1-622
FORD
FILE - Settlement before the marriage of Nicholas Creswell
(son and heir of Anthony Creswell of Ford, gent.) and Lucy Bradshawe
(sister of Francis Bradshawe of Bradshawe, esq.) - ref. BAG/13/3/346
- date: 24 Sept. 1621
I believe this Lucy was sister to the younger Francis Bradshaw, and
thus one of the four daughters of the elder Francis and Anne nee
Stafford.
Furthermore:
DEEDS AND DOCUMENTS
CO. DERBY - ref. BAG/13/3/1-622
CHAPEL-EN-LE-FRITH
FILE - Feoffment from Nicholas Kerke of Chappell in le
Frithe, blacksmith, to George Thornhill of Warmbrooke and Nicholas
Cresswell of Chappell in le Frith, yeomen, of a messuage in Chappell
parish. 30 Dec. 1615. With 19th cent. abstract - ref. BAG/13/3/103 -
date: nd
FORD
FILE - Conveyance by Nicholas Cresswell of the Foard alias
Foarth, gent., Lucy his wife and Barbara their daughter and heir, to
John Bretland of Thorncliffe, co. Chester, gent., and Peter Ashe of
Bradshawe Hall in Chappell parish, yeoman, of a capital messuage at the
Ford wherein Nicholas, Lucy and Barbara live, with appurtenances, 6
cottages in Chappell in Le Frith, and closes called Colinhey in the
parishes of Glossope and Chappell in Le Frith - ref. BAG/13/3/348 -
date: 1 June 1647
FILE - Conveyance by James Creswell of Hardwicke, gent.,
his brothers Francis and Ralph, Lucy Creswell of Foard (widow of
Nicholas Creswell) and Barbara her daughter to Robert Ashton of Stonie
Middleton, yeoman, of their capital messuage, etc., in Foard and a
messuage in Chappell in le Frith which were formerly of the late
Anthony Creswell and his son Nicholas - ref. BAG/13/3/350 - date: 16
April 1648
So we know that Nicholas Cresswell and Lucy nee Bradshaw had only one
daughter, Barbara.
According to the IGI, she married at Chapel-le-Frith on 26 December
1648 one John Barber, and had three daughters baptised at Edale,
Derbyshire:
(1) Ann baptised 29 September 1650
(2) Grace baptised 1 March 1651 [presumably 1651/2]
(3) Mary baptised 23 October 1653
I've had a quick look at my Hollingworth papers last night, and no
immediate joy beyond the will references you already have.
However, I have some further lines from Anne Stafford who married
Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw (born c.1555, ff. 1610). I see from some
online records that the elder Francis was succeeded by his son Francis.
A2A has the following
CO. DERBY - ref. BAG/13/3/1-622
FORD
FILE - Settlement before the marriage of Nicholas Creswell
(son and heir of Anthony Creswell of Ford, gent.) and Lucy Bradshawe
(sister of Francis Bradshawe of Bradshawe, esq.) - ref. BAG/13/3/346
- date: 24 Sept. 1621
I believe this Lucy was sister to the younger Francis Bradshaw, and
thus one of the four daughters of the elder Francis and Anne nee
Stafford.
Furthermore:
DEEDS AND DOCUMENTS
CO. DERBY - ref. BAG/13/3/1-622
CHAPEL-EN-LE-FRITH
FILE - Feoffment from Nicholas Kerke of Chappell in le
Frithe, blacksmith, to George Thornhill of Warmbrooke and Nicholas
Cresswell of Chappell in le Frith, yeomen, of a messuage in Chappell
parish. 30 Dec. 1615. With 19th cent. abstract - ref. BAG/13/3/103 -
date: nd
FORD
FILE - Conveyance by Nicholas Cresswell of the Foard alias
Foarth, gent., Lucy his wife and Barbara their daughter and heir, to
John Bretland of Thorncliffe, co. Chester, gent., and Peter Ashe of
Bradshawe Hall in Chappell parish, yeoman, of a capital messuage at the
Ford wherein Nicholas, Lucy and Barbara live, with appurtenances, 6
cottages in Chappell in Le Frith, and closes called Colinhey in the
parishes of Glossope and Chappell in Le Frith - ref. BAG/13/3/348 -
date: 1 June 1647
FILE - Conveyance by James Creswell of Hardwicke, gent.,
his brothers Francis and Ralph, Lucy Creswell of Foard (widow of
Nicholas Creswell) and Barbara her daughter to Robert Ashton of Stonie
Middleton, yeoman, of their capital messuage, etc., in Foard and a
messuage in Chappell in le Frith which were formerly of the late
Anthony Creswell and his son Nicholas - ref. BAG/13/3/350 - date: 16
April 1648
So we know that Nicholas Cresswell and Lucy nee Bradshaw had only one
daughter, Barbara.
According to the IGI, she married at Chapel-le-Frith on 26 December
1648 one John Barber, and had three daughters baptised at Edale,
Derbyshire:
(1) Ann baptised 29 September 1650
(2) Grace baptised 1 March 1651 [presumably 1651/2]
(3) Mary baptised 23 October 1653
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Leo van de Pas
Confusing language? was Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent
See at the bottom.
<snip>
colourful character who by extravagance and gambling brought ruin upon
himself. He married four times and had many daughters, but how many?
In the main write up in the Complete Baronetage it tells,
he married (1) Ann Simeon who died s.p.m. (a) (footnote)\
he married (2) Jeronyma Everard by whom he had six daughters
he married (3) Mary Tasburgh no indication in regards to children
he married (4) Catherine Pegge, died 1678.
he died in Flanders and same footnote (a) indicated
(a) Eugenia a daughter by his first wife and Justinia a daughter by his last
wife, were among the English ladies at Pontoise. The eldest died there 1709,
aged 73, and the youngest 1717, aged 50.
In the same footnote three more daughters are mentioned with husbands. I can
only presume these three belong to the second wife. This shows to me that
the above statement that Catherine Pegge died without issue by her Green
husband is wrong, not only _did_ she have a daughter but that daughter
survived her by many years.
Can anyone add to this? Brad Verity certainly is moving into interesting
waters.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
<snip>
Here is a recap of the descent:
Edward I
snip
Thomas Pegge(b. 1603) m. Catherine Kniveton
Catherine Pegge(c.1635-1678) affair with Charles II, King of England
Charles Fitz Charles, Earl of Plymouth(1657-1680)
snip
"Katherine Pegge, the Earl's mother, after her liaison with the King,
married Sir Edward Greene, Bart., of Samford in Essex, and died without
issue by him in --. From this marriage the King is sometimes said
to have had a mistress named Greene.
The Complete Baronetage spells his surname as Green. He must have been a
colourful character who by extravagance and gambling brought ruin upon
himself. He married four times and had many daughters, but how many?
In the main write up in the Complete Baronetage it tells,
he married (1) Ann Simeon who died s.p.m. (a) (footnote)\
he married (2) Jeronyma Everard by whom he had six daughters
he married (3) Mary Tasburgh no indication in regards to children
he married (4) Catherine Pegge, died 1678.
he died in Flanders and same footnote (a) indicated
(a) Eugenia a daughter by his first wife and Justinia a daughter by his last
wife, were among the English ladies at Pontoise. The eldest died there 1709,
aged 73, and the youngest 1717, aged 50.
In the same footnote three more daughters are mentioned with husbands. I can
only presume these three belong to the second wife. This shows to me that
the above statement that Catherine Pegge died without issue by her Green
husband is wrong, not only _did_ she have a daughter but that daughter
survived her by many years.
Can anyone add to this? Brad Verity certainly is moving into interesting
waters.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Gjest
Re: Confusing language? was Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Des
Hunter's "Familiae Minorum Gentium" vol i, p305 says that Catherine
Pegge and Sir Edward Greene (sic) had "a daughter aet 15, 1680".
MAR
Pegge and Sir Edward Greene (sic) had "a daughter aet 15, 1680".
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
Another interesting Eyre descendant.
According to Familiae Minorum Gentium vol ii, p561:
(1) Rowland Eyre of Hassop married Gertrude Stafford [descendant of
Edward I as above by Brad Verity]. Issue including:
(2) Adam Eyre, married Elizabeth Barley. Issue:
(3) Francis Eyre of Maryland, 1662.
Anyone claim him as a gateway ancestor?
According to Familiae Minorum Gentium vol ii, p561:
(1) Rowland Eyre of Hassop married Gertrude Stafford [descendant of
Edward I as above by Brad Verity]. Issue including:
(2) Adam Eyre, married Elizabeth Barley. Issue:
(3) Francis Eyre of Maryland, 1662.
Anyone claim him as a gateway ancestor?
-
Gjest
Re: Confusing language? was Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Des
A further perusal of Hunter allows us to produce the following summary,
which I hope will be of use to you in your quest, Brad:
Matrilineal line from Edward I:
Humphrey Stafford's four daughters:
1. Alice Stafford, married John Strange of Castleton; had two
daughters.
2. Anne Stafford, married Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw. Had four
daughters, including:
2.1. Lucy Bradshaw, married c1621 Nicholas Cresswell of Ford. Had one
daughter:
2.1.1. Barbara Cresswell, married 1648 John Barber. Had at least three
daughters:
2.1.1.1. Ann Barber, c1650
2.1.1.2. Grace Barber, c1652
2.1.1.3. Mary Barber, c1653
3. Grace Stafford married Rowland Eyre of Hassop. Had four daughters,
including:
3.1. Frances Eyre
3.2. Jane Eyre, married Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley. had two
daughters (see vol i, p 305):
3.2.1. Prudence Pegge, c1598; married 1615 John Hollingworth of
Hollingworth
3.2.2. Anne Pegge, married John Whitewall of Yeldersley
4. Catherine Stafford, married Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, Bradfield,
Yorks. Had eight daughters (see vol iii p 1062):
4.1. Anne Morewood, c1578; buried 10.8.1609 (see vol ii p 445); married
1.7.1607 James Bullock of Greenhill. had one daughter:
4.1.1. Elizabeth Bullock, baptised 12.4.1608; married 5.1.1629 Godfrey
Froggatt of Mayfield, Staffordshire, who died 1664. Had seven
daughters:
4.1.1.1. Alice Froggatt, c1630; married Thomas Buckley of Stanlow, Leek
(had at least two sons)
4.1.1.2. Catherine Froggatt
4.1.1.3. Elizabeth Froggatt, 1636-1669; married Thomas Burley of
Greenhill (see p 658). One daughter:
4.1.1.3.1. Sarah Burley, married Charles Johnstone of Pontefract, M.D.
(see page 927). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.3.1.1. Jane Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.2. Elizabeth Johnstone, married...
4.1.1.3.1.3. Sarah Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.4. Barbara Johnstone
4.1.1.4. Barbara Froggatt, 1639-1675; married 1659 Thomas Bright of
Greystones (see p 674). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.4.1. Ann Bright, c1665; married 1684 Stephen Bright. Had two
daughters:
4.1.1.4.1.1. Elizabeth Bright, c1688; "said to have married Richard
Ashmore"
4.1.1.4.1.2. Ann Bright, c1694
4.1.1.4.2. Mary Bright, c1671; married 1689 Henry Broomhead
4.1.1.4.3. Barbara Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.4.4. Priscilla Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.5. Anne Froggatt, c1646
4.1.1.6. Mary Froggatt, c1648; married twice or possibly three times:
certainly to John Goostrey and to Godfrey Bright of Staveley
Woodthorpe, and possibly also to a Mr Newham; the order of these
marriage was not known to Hunter
4.1.1.7. Priscilla Froggatt, c1649
4.2. Gertrude Morewood, married 1601 Jeffrey Roberts. Had one
daughter:
4.2.1. Elizabeth Roberts, married Mr Parker
4.3. Mary Morewood, c1582
4.4. Alice Morewood, c1584; married 1609 John Bamford of fillern Hill,
Esquire
4.5. Faith Morewood, c1585; married Reginald Eyre of Maltby. Had one
daughter:
4.5.1. Elizabeth Eyre, married Thomas Newbold
4.6. Elizabeth Morewood, c1587; married (1) Ralph Greaves; probably
married (2) John Bullock of Greenhill
This should give you plenty to get on with, and certainly (via the
Johnstone line) takes things into the 18th century. Although most of
these lines are probably minor gentry at best, perhaps some will start
to link into Burke's volumes. Good luck!
MAR
which I hope will be of use to you in your quest, Brad:
Matrilineal line from Edward I:
Humphrey Stafford's four daughters:
1. Alice Stafford, married John Strange of Castleton; had two
daughters.
2. Anne Stafford, married Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw. Had four
daughters, including:
2.1. Lucy Bradshaw, married c1621 Nicholas Cresswell of Ford. Had one
daughter:
2.1.1. Barbara Cresswell, married 1648 John Barber. Had at least three
daughters:
2.1.1.1. Ann Barber, c1650
2.1.1.2. Grace Barber, c1652
2.1.1.3. Mary Barber, c1653
3. Grace Stafford married Rowland Eyre of Hassop. Had four daughters,
including:
3.1. Frances Eyre
3.2. Jane Eyre, married Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley. had two
daughters (see vol i, p 305):
3.2.1. Prudence Pegge, c1598; married 1615 John Hollingworth of
Hollingworth
3.2.2. Anne Pegge, married John Whitewall of Yeldersley
4. Catherine Stafford, married Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, Bradfield,
Yorks. Had eight daughters (see vol iii p 1062):
4.1. Anne Morewood, c1578; buried 10.8.1609 (see vol ii p 445); married
1.7.1607 James Bullock of Greenhill. had one daughter:
4.1.1. Elizabeth Bullock, baptised 12.4.1608; married 5.1.1629 Godfrey
Froggatt of Mayfield, Staffordshire, who died 1664. Had seven
daughters:
4.1.1.1. Alice Froggatt, c1630; married Thomas Buckley of Stanlow, Leek
(had at least two sons)
4.1.1.2. Catherine Froggatt
4.1.1.3. Elizabeth Froggatt, 1636-1669; married Thomas Burley of
Greenhill (see p 658). One daughter:
4.1.1.3.1. Sarah Burley, married Charles Johnstone of Pontefract, M.D.
(see page 927). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.3.1.1. Jane Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.2. Elizabeth Johnstone, married...
4.1.1.3.1.3. Sarah Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.4. Barbara Johnstone
4.1.1.4. Barbara Froggatt, 1639-1675; married 1659 Thomas Bright of
Greystones (see p 674). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.4.1. Ann Bright, c1665; married 1684 Stephen Bright. Had two
daughters:
4.1.1.4.1.1. Elizabeth Bright, c1688; "said to have married Richard
Ashmore"
4.1.1.4.1.2. Ann Bright, c1694
4.1.1.4.2. Mary Bright, c1671; married 1689 Henry Broomhead
4.1.1.4.3. Barbara Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.4.4. Priscilla Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.5. Anne Froggatt, c1646
4.1.1.6. Mary Froggatt, c1648; married twice or possibly three times:
certainly to John Goostrey and to Godfrey Bright of Staveley
Woodthorpe, and possibly also to a Mr Newham; the order of these
marriage was not known to Hunter
4.1.1.7. Priscilla Froggatt, c1649
4.2. Gertrude Morewood, married 1601 Jeffrey Roberts. Had one
daughter:
4.2.1. Elizabeth Roberts, married Mr Parker
4.3. Mary Morewood, c1582
4.4. Alice Morewood, c1584; married 1609 John Bamford of fillern Hill,
Esquire
4.5. Faith Morewood, c1585; married Reginald Eyre of Maltby. Had one
daughter:
4.5.1. Elizabeth Eyre, married Thomas Newbold
4.6. Elizabeth Morewood, c1587; married (1) Ralph Greaves; probably
married (2) John Bullock of Greenhill
This should give you plenty to get on with, and certainly (via the
Johnstone line) takes things into the 18th century. Although most of
these lines are probably minor gentry at best, perhaps some will start
to link into Burke's volumes. Good luck!
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Confusing language? was Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Des
A further perusal of Hunter allows us to produce the following summary,
which I hope will be of use to you in your quest, Brad:
Matrilineal line from Edward I:
Humphrey Stafford's four daughters:
1. Alice Stafford, married John Strange of Castleton; had two
daughters.
2. Anne Stafford, married Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw. Had four
daughters, including:
2.1. Lucy Bradshaw, married c1621 Nicholas Cresswell of Ford. Had one
daughter:
2.1.1. Barbara Cresswell, married 1648 John Barber. Had at least three
daughters:
2.1.1.1. Ann Barber, c1650
2.1.1.2. Grace Barber, c1652
2.1.1.3. Mary Barber, c1653
3. Grace Stafford married Rowland Eyre of Hassop. Had four daughters,
including:
3.1. Frances Eyre
3.2. Jane Eyre, married Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley. had two
daughters (see vol i, p 305):
3.2.1. Prudence Pegge, c1598; married 1615 John Hollingworth of
Hollingworth
3.2.2. Anne Pegge, married John Whitewall of Yeldersley
4. Catherine Stafford, married Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, Bradfield,
Yorks. Had eight daughters (see vol iii p 1062):
4.1. Anne Morewood, c1578; buried 10.8.1609 (see vol ii p 445); married
1.7.1607 James Bullock of Greenhill. had one daughter:
4.1.1. Elizabeth Bullock, baptised 12.4.1608; married 5.1.1629 Godfrey
Froggatt of Mayfield, Staffordshire, who died 1664. Had seven
daughters:
4.1.1.1. Alice Froggatt, c1630; married Thomas Buckley of Stanlow, Leek
(had at least two sons)
4.1.1.2. Catherine Froggatt
4.1.1.3. Elizabeth Froggatt, 1636-1669; married Thomas Burley of
Greenhill (see p 658). One daughter:
4.1.1.3.1. Sarah Burley, married Charles Johnstone of Pontefract, M.D.
(see page 927). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.3.1.1. Jane Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.2. Elizabeth Johnstone, married...
4.1.1.3.1.3. Sarah Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.4. Barbara Johnstone
4.1.1.4. Barbara Froggatt, 1639-1675; married 1659 Thomas Bright of
Greystones (see p 674). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.4.1. Ann Bright, c1665; married 1684 Stephen Bright. Had two
daughters:
4.1.1.4.1.1. Elizabeth Bright, c1688; "said to have married Richard
Ashmore"
4.1.1.4.1.2. Ann Bright, c1694
4.1.1.4.2. Mary Bright, c1671; married 1689 Henry Broomhead
4.1.1.4.3. Barbara Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.4.4. Priscilla Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.5. Anne Froggatt, c1646
4.1.1.6. Mary Froggatt, c1648; married twice or possibly three times:
certainly to John Goostrey and to Godfrey Bright of Staveley
Woodthorpe, and possibly also to a Mr Newham; the order of these
marriage was not known to Hunter
4.1.1.7. Priscilla Froggatt, c1649
4.2. Gertrude Morewood, married 1601 Jeffrey Roberts. Had one
daughter:
4.2.1. Elizabeth Roberts, married Mr Parker
4.3. Mary Morewood, c1582
4.4. Alice Morewood, c1584; married 1609 John Bamford of fillern Hill,
Esquire
4.5. Faith Morewood, c1585; married Reginald Eyre of Maltby. Had one
daughter:
4.5.1. Elizabeth Eyre, married Thomas Newbold
4.6. Elizabeth Morewood, c1587; married (1) Ralph Greaves; probably
married (2) John Bullock of Greenhill
This should give you plenty to get on with, and certainly (via the
Johnstone line) takes things into the 18th century. Although most of
these lines are probably minor gentry at best, perhaps some will start
to link into Burke's volumes. Good luck!
MAR
which I hope will be of use to you in your quest, Brad:
Matrilineal line from Edward I:
Humphrey Stafford's four daughters:
1. Alice Stafford, married John Strange of Castleton; had two
daughters.
2. Anne Stafford, married Francis Bradshaw of Bradshaw. Had four
daughters, including:
2.1. Lucy Bradshaw, married c1621 Nicholas Cresswell of Ford. Had one
daughter:
2.1.1. Barbara Cresswell, married 1648 John Barber. Had at least three
daughters:
2.1.1.1. Ann Barber, c1650
2.1.1.2. Grace Barber, c1652
2.1.1.3. Mary Barber, c1653
3. Grace Stafford married Rowland Eyre of Hassop. Had four daughters,
including:
3.1. Frances Eyre
3.2. Jane Eyre, married Christopher Pegge of Yeldersley. had two
daughters (see vol i, p 305):
3.2.1. Prudence Pegge, c1598; married 1615 John Hollingworth of
Hollingworth
3.2.2. Anne Pegge, married John Whitewall of Yeldersley
4. Catherine Stafford, married Rowland Morewood of The Oaks, Bradfield,
Yorks. Had eight daughters (see vol iii p 1062):
4.1. Anne Morewood, c1578; buried 10.8.1609 (see vol ii p 445); married
1.7.1607 James Bullock of Greenhill. had one daughter:
4.1.1. Elizabeth Bullock, baptised 12.4.1608; married 5.1.1629 Godfrey
Froggatt of Mayfield, Staffordshire, who died 1664. Had seven
daughters:
4.1.1.1. Alice Froggatt, c1630; married Thomas Buckley of Stanlow, Leek
(had at least two sons)
4.1.1.2. Catherine Froggatt
4.1.1.3. Elizabeth Froggatt, 1636-1669; married Thomas Burley of
Greenhill (see p 658). One daughter:
4.1.1.3.1. Sarah Burley, married Charles Johnstone of Pontefract, M.D.
(see page 927). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.3.1.1. Jane Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.2. Elizabeth Johnstone, married...
4.1.1.3.1.3. Sarah Johnstone
4.1.1.3.1.4. Barbara Johnstone
4.1.1.4. Barbara Froggatt, 1639-1675; married 1659 Thomas Bright of
Greystones (see p 674). Had four daughters:
4.1.1.4.1. Ann Bright, c1665; married 1684 Stephen Bright. Had two
daughters:
4.1.1.4.1.1. Elizabeth Bright, c1688; "said to have married Richard
Ashmore"
4.1.1.4.1.2. Ann Bright, c1694
4.1.1.4.2. Mary Bright, c1671; married 1689 Henry Broomhead
4.1.1.4.3. Barbara Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.4.4. Priscilla Bright, died in infancy
4.1.1.5. Anne Froggatt, c1646
4.1.1.6. Mary Froggatt, c1648; married twice or possibly three times:
certainly to John Goostrey and to Godfrey Bright of Staveley
Woodthorpe, and possibly also to a Mr Newham; the order of these
marriage was not known to Hunter
4.1.1.7. Priscilla Froggatt, c1649
4.2. Gertrude Morewood, married 1601 Jeffrey Roberts. Had one
daughter:
4.2.1. Elizabeth Roberts, married Mr Parker
4.3. Mary Morewood, c1582
4.4. Alice Morewood, c1584; married 1609 John Bamford of fillern Hill,
Esquire
4.5. Faith Morewood, c1585; married Reginald Eyre of Maltby. Had one
daughter:
4.5.1. Elizabeth Eyre, married Thomas Newbold
4.6. Elizabeth Morewood, c1587; married (1) Ralph Greaves; probably
married (2) John Bullock of Greenhill
This should give you plenty to get on with, and certainly (via the
Johnstone line) takes things into the 18th century. Although most of
these lines are probably minor gentry at best, perhaps some will start
to link into Burke's volumes. Good luck!
MAR
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Brad Verity
Re: Edward I Unbroken Female Descent to Staffords of Eyam
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Dear MAR,
Thank you for all of the leads. And, yes, I'll be busy on them for
quite some time!
Cheers, -----Brad
A further perusal of Hunter allows us to produce the following summary,
which I hope will be of use to you in your quest, Brad:
[snip]
This should give you plenty to get on with, and certainly (via the
Johnstone line) takes things into the 18th century. Although most of
these lines are probably minor gentry at best, perhaps some will start
to link into Burke's volumes. Good luck!
Dear MAR,
Thank you for all of the leads. And, yes, I'll be busy on them for
quite some time!
Cheers, -----Brad