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C.P. Addition: Hawise de Poynings, wife of John de Reydon an

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 aug 2005 19:08:44

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage, 10 (1945(: 659 (sub Poynings) has a good account of
the life history of Sir Michael Poynings, who reputedly is the Miles
[sic] de Poynings who was killed at the Battle of Bannockburn 24 June
1314. According to C.P., Sir Michael de Poynings' wife was Margery
(_____), which Margery has been identified in recent time here on the
newsgroup as the probable daughter of Hugh Bardolf, Knt., 1st Lord
Bardolf, by his wife, Isabel d'Aguillon. Among other pieces of
evidence, John Ravilious has shown that Isabel, Lady Bardolf, conveyed
the manor of Bures, Suffolk to Michael de Poynings and his wife,
Margery, which is indicated by the following record found in the online
A2A catalog:

Feoffment dated 8 Oct. 1309 by and between John son of Thomas de
Bassingbourne and Sir Michael de Ponynges, Knt., and his wife, Margery,
regarding the manor of Bures, Suffolk for £500 of silver sterling,
which the grantor had by feoffment of Dame Isabel, formerly wife of Sir
Hugh Bardolph, in Bures [Reference: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich
Branch: The Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, Reference: HD
1538/157/1 (abstract of document available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).

Elsewhere, Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 669, footnote i, indicates that
Michael de Poynings and his wife, Margery (probably Bardolf), had two
sons, Thomas, Knt., and Michael, and one daughter, Margery. The
daughter Margery is known through other sources to have married (1st)
Edmund Bacon and (2nd) Nicholas de la Beche.

Recently, I located evidence of yet another Poynings daughter, namely
Hawise de Poynings, who married (1st) by settlement date 17 June 1314
John de Reydon, son and heir of Robert de Reydon, Knt., and (2nd)
before 1320 John de Wysham, Knt. (died 1332), Steward of the Household
of King Edward III, Justice of North Wales. An abstract of Hawise de
Poynings and John de Reydon's marriage settlement is provided below.

Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk
Manuscripts, Reference: HD 1538/157/2

Marriage settlement

Dated 17 June 1314

Extent and Form: 2 armorial seals
Language: Latin

Scope and Content

1. John de Reydon, son and heir of Sir Robert de Reydon, kt

2. Hawys, his wife, daughter of Sir Michael de Ponygges, kt

3. Sir Robert de Reydon, father of (1)

(1) has endowed and assigned in dower to (2), on day on which he
betrothed her at door of chapel of St Mary of Smalebregg' in Bures St
Mary in presence of Sir Robert de Bures, kt, James de Bures, Sir
William rector of Reydon [probably Raydon], Walter de Westhale, Sir
William de Castell Bernardi, chaplain, Richard de Garboclesham,
chaplain, Ralph de Reydon, Walter de Reydon, Thomas de Reydon, John
Peuerel, John Cissor of Wrentham, Henry de Neuton, clerk, William
Wybert, John Denelm, chaplain, Nicholas Bonde and Thomas de Westhale,
by consent of (3) and of prebendary, 1 messuage, 2 carucates land, 4a.
meadow, 20a. pasture, 24s. worth of rent in Okenhill, Batingham
[Badingham], Perham [Parham], Framelyngham [Framlingham] and
Kettelberg' [Kettleburgh], for life of (2) if (1) die during lifetime
of (3), for [i.e., in return for making no claim on] all other lands
and tenements of (3). Also (3) grants that said endowment may remain
valid to (2) for life. Given at Bures St. Mary, 17 Jun. 7 Edw.II.
(Phillipps MS No. 33808) [Abstract of document available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/ search/index.asp). END OF DOCUMENT.

Hawise de Poynings, and her 1st husband, John de Reydon, had one
daughter, Alice, who married Andrew de Bures. The descendants of the
Bures family are traced in part in a post in the newsgroup archives
found at :

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc ... eb5608b594

Hawise de Poynings and her 2nd husband, Sir John de Wysham, had one
son, John, Knt. Descendants of the Wysham family are traced in my
book, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004): 785-786.

Lastly, I might note that marriage settlement above for Hawise de
Poynings proves she was not the daughter of John Botetourt, 1st Lord
Botetourt, as I earlier thought was the case.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Gjest

Re: C.P. Addition: Hawise de Poynings, wife of John de Reydo

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 22:25:21

Good posting. However, to clarify using the posts within your post,
that the John de Bures who married Hawise de Muscegros and who died on
21 December 1350 at Boddington, is not a descendant of Hawise de
Poynings and John de Reydon. The Bures posting to which you referred
is very unclear on who the parents of this John de Bures actually are.
However if married before 1315, he is a contemporary of Hawise de
Poynings and John de Reydon whose marriage was circa 1314 as herein
stated.

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: C.P. Addition: Hawise de Poynings, wife of John de Reydo

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 09 aug 2005 13:01:16

Dear Martin ~

Thank you for your comments. Much appreciated.

The parentage of John de Bures, husband of Hawise de Muscegros, is
presently unknown. My guess is that he was a younger son of the Bures
family of Suffolk, as he seems to have had no property of his own.
But, this is purely a guess. Do you know if his arms have been
established? If so, do they match the arms of the Bures family of
Suffolk?

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


mhollick@mac.com wrote:
Good posting. However, to clarify using the posts within your post,
that the John de Bures who married Hawise de Muscegros and who died on
21 December 1350 at Boddington, is not a descendant of Hawise de
Poynings and John de Reydon. The Bures posting to which you referred
is very unclear on who the parents of this John de Bures actually are.
However if married before 1315, he is a contemporary of Hawise de
Poynings and John de Reydon whose marriage was circa 1314 as herein
stated.

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