Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

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Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 aug 2005 22:16:01

A short time ago a very long thread gave us details about Humprey Stafford
1402-60, 1st Duke of Buckingham and his wife Anne Neville.

Within that thread it was mentioned that their son Humprey, died v.p.

Now I have found that P"eerage of the United Kingdom and Ireland", Vol I-IV,
online at http://www.ancestry.com, British subscription ... gives the further details
that he
d 22 Mar 1455 slain at the First Battle of St Albans

Will Johnson

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 05 aug 2005 22:16:02

Dear Will ~

What I have is that Sir Humphrey Stafford "is said to have been slain
on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."

Can any confirm this death date and place of death?

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
A short time ago a very long thread gave us details about Humprey Stafford
1402-60, 1st Duke of Buckingham and his wife Anne Neville.

Within that thread it was mentioned that their son Humprey, died v.p.

Now I have found that P"eerage of the United Kingdom and Ireland", Vol I-IV,
online at http://www.ancestry.com, British subscription ... gives the further details
that he
d 22 Mar 1455 slain at the First Battle of St Albans

Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 aug 2005 23:01:01

In a message dated 8/5/05 1:54:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
royalancestry@msn.com writes:

<< What I have is that Sir Humphrey Stafford "is said to have been slain
on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans." >>

My quote was from
"Cokayne, George Edward. The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland
Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Volume I-IV. London: The St. Catherine
Press Ltd., 1910-16."

Which is now part of ancestry's British subscription plan.

Will Johnson

Ian Cairns

Re: Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

Legg inn av Ian Cairns » 05 aug 2005 23:22:33

<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message news:154.5673de1b.30252d45@aol.com...
In a message dated 8/5/05 1:54:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
royalancestry@msn.com writes:

What I have is that Sir Humphrey Stafford "is said to have been slain
on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."

My quote was from
"Cokayne, George Edward. The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland
Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Volume I-IV. London: The St.
Catherine
Press Ltd., 1910-16."

Which is now part of ancestry's British subscription plan.

Looking back at the archives gives the following good contribution from
Douglas in 2003, which seems to contradict the above date. Apologies for
quoting it in full. Can anyone resolve these dates?

Thanks
Ian

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From: royalances...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) - Find messages by this
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Date: 19 Dec 2003 22:09:06 -0800
Local: Sat, Dec 20 2003 7:09 am
Subject: Another CP Change: Marriage Date of Margaret Beaufort and Henry
Stafford

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 825-827 (sub Richmond) includes a good
account of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and his wife, Margaret
Beaufort, which couple were the parents of King Henry VII of England.
Following Edmund Tudor's untimely death in 1456, Margaret Beaufort
married for her 3rd husband Henry Stafford, 2nd son of Humphrey
Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham. The editor of Complete Peerage
states only that Margaret Beaufort and Henry Stafford were married
"before 1464."

There is more information on the specific date of this marriage in the
recent book, The King's Mother: Lady Margaret Beaufort, Countess of
Richmond and Derby (1992), by Michael K. Jones. On pages 40-41, Mr.
Jones states:

"After Edmund Tudor's death another marriage had been arranged with
remarkable speed. In March 1457 Jasper Tudor and Margaret Beaufort
had travelled from Pembroke to the duke of Buckingham's manor of
Greenfield, near Newport in Gwent. The discussions had concerned the
possibility of a marriage with Buckingham's second son, Henry
Stafford. Not yet fourteen, Lady Margaret was now taking an active
part in planning her future. Her chief concern was to protect her own
interests and those of her infant son. Humphrey, duke of Buckingham,
was the only English magnate as powerful as Richard, duke of York.
Margaret's chief aim was to gain Buckingham's protection and avoid
another husband being forced upon her. Bishop Reginald Boulers of
Coventry and Lichfield granted dispensation for the match on 6 April,
necessary because Margaret Beaufort and Henry Stafford were second
cousins (Buckingham's wife Anne Neville was a daughter of John
Beaufort) [Footnote 13: Lichfield RO, B/A/1/11, fols. 87, 87v. We owe
this reference to Professor Ralph Griffiths and the general line of
interpretation to Mr. T.B. Pugh]. The ceremony may have taken place
at Buckingham's favourite residence of Maxstoke (Wark.), within the
Coventry and Lichfield diocese, on 3 January 1458. Margaret's early
life had fitted only too well the pattern of a young and wealthy
heiress being treated as a marketable commodity. But from her
marriage with Henry Stafford the stability of a long and harmonious
relationship was finally to emerge." END OF QUOTE.

From the above, we learn that Margaret Beaufort and Henry Stafford
were dispensed to marry on 6 April 1457. The source for the
dispensation is a document in the Lichfield Record Office. Mr. Jones
states that the actual marriage "may have taken place" at Maxstoke,
Warwickshire on 3 Jan. 1457/8. I'm uncertain if the word "may"
modifies the place of marriage, or the date, or both. I assume Mr.
Jones meant the word "may" to modify the place of marriage only, and
that the couple were definitely married on 3 January 1457/8.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Gjest

Re: Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford ~1424-1455

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 aug 2005 01:02:01

In a message dated 8/5/05 3:39:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
news@cairnsfamily.org writes:

<< Looking back at the archives gives the following good contribution from
Douglas in 2003, which seems to contradict the above date. Apologies for
quoting it in full. Can anyone resolve these dates? >>

Thank you for your good post.
The couple cited in your extract is Henry of Stafford, son of Humprey, 1st
Duke of Buckingham (who d 10 Jul 1460 Battle of Northampton)

The person cited in my post was not this *father* but rather his son
Humphrey "styled" Earl of Stafford who d 22 Mar 1455 at the First Battle of
St Albans.

Your Henry, and the Humphrey I mentioned previously were brothers.
The other Humphrey mentioned in your extract was their father.

Will Johnson

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