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LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 aug 2005 10:21:12

The following is from "County Families of Yorkshire And West Ridding"

Husband: Gervase, Sir. de Lowther
Held knights service Henry III 1217

Wife: ? Ross
Father: Baron Ross de Kendal

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther, Officer to Edward I
Wife: L ' Inglishe
Father: L ' Inglishe

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: ? Moriceby
Father: Moriceby of Co Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Sir Peter de Filiol of Scaleby Castle, Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Lord Lacy of Cockermouth

Child 1: John, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: Margaret

According to the book The Lowther Family by Capt. H Owen they don't
tie in Is there anyone who is researching this line?

Brendan Wilson
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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Leo van de Pas

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 01 aug 2005 11:43:01

Dear Brendan,

This family is interesting for me as they are ancestors of Prince William of
Wales.
I recognise some the names you give, maybe spelled slightly differently.
Also, closer to your home_ Fletcher Christian_ of the Bounty is a
descendant, I will see what I can find.

Best wishes
Leo van de Pas




----- Original Message -----
From: <wilson97@paradise.net[.]nz>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: LOWTHER


The following is from "County Families of Yorkshire And West Ridding"

Husband: Gervase, Sir. de Lowther
Held knights service Henry III 1217

Wife: ? Ross
Father: Baron Ross de Kendal

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther, Officer to Edward I
Wife: L ' Inglishe
Father: L ' Inglishe

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: ? Moriceby
Father: Moriceby of Co Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Sir Peter de Filiol of Scaleby Castle, Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Lord Lacy of Cockermouth

Child 1: John, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: Margaret

According to the book The Lowther Family by Capt. H Owen they don't
tie in Is there anyone who is researching this line?

Brendan Wilson
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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire.
Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park
Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford.
Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther &
McCormack,Dublin.


Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 aug 2005 11:51:52

Brendan,

this succession of 4 Hughs followed by a John does seem to correspond
exactly with Hugh Owen's line; only Gervase is Geoffrey in the Owen
book, still not that different. The wives have an element of
correlation too, but in different generations- ie 'Lacy of
Cockermouth': the second Hugh married Margaret Lucy, a cousin of the
Cockermouth lords. Ditto for 'Filiol of Scaleby': in the Owen version
it was the fourth Hugh who married Maud Tilliol of Scaleby. And the
John who followed the 4 Hughs is often given a wife Margaret (Preston),
although Owen thinks she may have been called Maud.

Given these similarities I'm sure this is basically the same line; and
the Hugh Owen book seems to be very thorough so I would favour that
version. The other version has the look of maybe having a visitation as
its source.

I do have an unattached Lowther line, that of Crookdake; Richard
Lowther of C. had a dau. Elizabeth who m. Richard Orfeur (fl.1468).
Owen implies that they are an obscure branch, so they probably wouldn't
have married into families like Ros and Lucy anyway.

Hope this isn't a let-down!

Matthew

wilson97@paradise.net[.]nz wrote:
The following is from "County Families of Yorkshire And West Ridding"

Husband: Gervase, Sir. de Lowther
Held knights service Henry III 1217

Wife: ? Ross
Father: Baron Ross de Kendal

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther, Officer to Edward I
Wife: L ' Inglishe
Father: L ' Inglishe

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: ? Moriceby
Father: Moriceby of Co Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Sir Peter de Filiol of Scaleby Castle, Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Lord Lacy of Cockermouth

Child 1: John, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: Margaret

According to the book The Lowther Family by Capt. H Owen they don't
tie in Is there anyone who is researching this line?

Brendan Wilson
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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 02 aug 2005 08:34:13

Thankyou,
Somtimes you can't see the forrest for the trees.
You have opened my eyes.

Brendan Wilson

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:21:12 +1200, wilson97@paradise.net[.]nz wrote:

The following is from "County Families of Yorkshire And West Ridding"

Husband: Gervase, Sir. de Lowther
Held knights service Henry III 1217

Wife: ? Ross
Father: Baron Ross de Kendal

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther, Officer to Edward I
Wife: L ' Inglishe
Father: L ' Inglishe

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: ? Moriceby
Father: Moriceby of Co Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Sir Peter de Filiol of Scaleby Castle, Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Lord Lacy of Cockermouth

Child 1: John, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: Margaret

According to the book The Lowther Family by Capt. H Owen they don't
tie in Is there anyone who is researching this line?

Brendan Wilson
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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Peter Bales

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Peter Bales » 06 aug 2005 06:45:03

Hi All

The following is a list of 5 generations of Lowthers (well my lines anyway)
which correspond with some of those mentioned and starting with Hugh, Sir.
de Lowther, Wife: L ' Inglishe

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(1) 1. Hugh LOWTHER

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Birth Date: Circa 1250

Death Date: 1317

Spouse: Inetta / Janet ?????

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Death Place: Still alive 1317

Marriage Date: 1215

Children: Hugh II, John



(2) 1.1 Hugh II LOWTHER

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Birth Date: Circa 1287

Death Date: 1338

Spouse: Margaret LUCY DE

Birth Date: ? Birth Place: Wythop CUMB

Death Date: ?

Spouse Father: John LUCY DE

Children: Hugh III, John, William, Thomas



(3) 1.1.1 Hugh III LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: Circa 1366

Spouse: Margaret WHALE DE

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Spouse Father: William WHALE DE (1320-1369)

Children: Hugh IV, Thomas, John, Richard, Joan, Alice,
William, Robert



(4) 1.1.1.1 Hugh IV LOWTHER

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Birth Date: 1326

Death Date: 1385

Spouse: Maud TILLIOL DE

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Spouse Father: Peter TILLIOL Sir (-1435)

Spouse Mother: Elizabeth MULCASTER

Children: John



(5) 1.1.1.1.1 John LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: ?

Spouse: Maud or Margaret ?????

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Children: Robert



(4) 1.1.1.2 Thomas LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: ?



(4) 1.1.1.3 John LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: ?



Spouse: Margaret KENDAL

Birth Date: About 1349 Death Date: ?

Children: Alice



(5) 1.1.1.3.1 Alice LOWTHER

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Birth Date: 1372 Death Date: ?



(4) 1.1.1.4 Richard LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: 1381



Spouse: Joan EAGLESFIELD

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



(4) 1.1.1.5 Joan LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



Spouse: Christopher LANCASTER DE

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



Marriage Date: 1330



(4) 1.1.1.6 Alice LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



Spouse: Gilbert IV CURWEN Sir

Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?

Death Place: Alive 1403

Spouse Father: Gilbert III CURWEN (-1370)

Spouse Mother: Margaret ?????

Children: William, 2 ???, 3 ???



(5) 1.1.1.6.1a William CURWEN Sir

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: 1403

Death Place: Died of the Plague

Spouse: Elena BRUN LE

Birth Date: ?

Death Date: Circa 1395



Other Spouses Margaret CROFT



(5) 1.1.1.6.1b William CURWEN Sir

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(See above)



Spouse: Margaret CROFT

Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?

Spouse Father: John CROFT Sir

Children: Christopher

Other Spouses Elena BRUN LE



(5) 1.1.1.6.2 ??? CURWEN

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: 1403



(5) 1.1.1.6.3 ??? CURWEN

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: 1403



(4) 1.1.1.7 William LOWTHER

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Birth Date: 1369

Death Date: 1430

Spouse: Alice HALE

Birth Date: About 1370 Death Date:
?



(4) 1.1.1.8 Robert LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



(3) 1.1.2 John LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



(3) 1.1.3 William LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?



(3) 1.1.4 Thomas LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?



(2) 1.2 John LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?


Hope this may help - any corrections or additions most welcome

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: <wilson97@paradise.net[.]nz>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: LOWTHER


The following is from "County Families of Yorkshire And West Ridding"

Husband: Gervase, Sir. de Lowther
Held knights service Henry III 1217

Wife: ? Ross
Father: Baron Ross de Kendal

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther, Officer to Edward I
Wife: L ' Inglishe
Father: L ' Inglishe

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: ? Moriceby
Father: Moriceby of Co Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Sir Peter de Filiol of Scaleby Castle, Cumberland

Child 1: Hugh, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: dau of Lord Lacy of Cockermouth

Child 1: John, Sir. de Lowther
Wife: Margaret

According to the book The Lowther Family by Capt. H Owen they don't
tie in Is there anyone who is researching this line?

Brendan Wilson
To Reply: remove [.] from around the dot. Stops Spam

Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire.
Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park
Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford.
Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther &
McCormack,Dublin.

______________________________

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:31

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:

Hi All

The following is a list of 5 generations of Lowthers (well my lines anyway)
which correspond with some of those mentioned and starting with Hugh, Sir.
de Lowther, Wife: L ' Inglishe

*************************************

(1) 1. Hugh LOWTHER

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Birth Date: Circa 1250

Death Date: 1317

Spouse: Inetta / Janet ?????

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Death Place: Still alive 1317

Marriage Date: 1215

this marriage c1285


RE The Lowther Family by Hugh Owen


Brendan Wilson
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Researching: Lowther, Westmoreland. Clifford, Cumberland /Yorkshire. Brennan, Kilhile, Ballyhack Wexford. Fitzgibbon, Kingsland French Park Rosscommon,Ireland. Prendergast & Donohue, Cappoquin Lismore, Waterford. Starr & Turner, Romford Essex,England.
Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:32

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:

Hi All

The following is a list of 5 generations of Lowthers (well my lines anyway)
which correspond with some of those mentioned and starting with Hugh, Sir.
de Lowther, Wife: L ' Inglishe


(2) 1.1 Hugh II LOWTHER

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Birth Date: Circa 1287

Death Date: 1338

Spouse: Margaret LUCY DE

Birth Date: ? Birth Place: Wythop CUMB

Death Date: ?

Spouse Father: John LUCY DE
Mother: Christina


This marriage c1300

The Acient House of Curwen by JF Curwen


Brendan Wilson
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Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:32

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:



(3) 1.1.1 Hugh III LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: Circa 1366

Spouse: Margaret WHALE DE

Birth Date: ? Death Date: 1 Nov 1369

Married: c1320
Spouse Father: William WHALE DE (1320-1369)


The Acient House of Curwen

Brendan wilson


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Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:33

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:

(5) 1.1.1.1.1 John LOWTHER

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Birth Date: 1347????????

Death Date: 1380

Spouse: Margaret de Preston

Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?

Children: Robert

The Lowther Family

The Acient House of Curwen

Brendan Wilson

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Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:33

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:


(4) 1.1.1.1 Hugh IV LOWTHER

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Birth Date: 1326

Death Date: 1385

Spouse: Maud TILLIOL DE

Birth Date: ? Death Date: 1400

Married: 1338
Spouse Father: Peter TILLIOL Sir (-1439)
Spouse Mother: Elizabeth MULCASTER



The Lowther Familly

Brendan Wilson

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Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

Gjest

Re: LOWTHER

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2005 13:00:34

(4) 1.1.1.6 Alice LOWTHER

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Birth Date: ? Death Date: ?



Spouse: Gilbert IV CURWEN Sir
Married:1330

Birth Date: ? Death Date: 1403

Death Place: Alive 1403

Spouse Father: Gilbert III CURWEN (-1380)

Spouse Mother: Advice

Children: William, 2 ???, 3 ???



(5) 1.1.1.6.1a William CURWEN Sir

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Birth Date: ?

Death Date: 1403

Death Place: Died of the Plague

Spouse: Elena BRUN LE

Birth Date: ?

Death Date: Circa 1395

Children: Christopher de Curwen
died 17 July 1450

Married:Elizabeth de Hudleston

THe Ancient House of Curwen
(5) 1.1.1.6.1b William CURWEN Sir

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(See above)



Spouse: Margaret CROFT

Birth Date: ? Death Date:
?

Spouse Father: John CROFT Sir

Children: Christopher

Other Spouses Elena BRUN LE


Brendan wilson

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Peters, Hamburg & Ballarat Victoria.Lund, Hamburg.Lowther & McCormack,Dublin.

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