Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

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Leo van de Pas

Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 30 jul 2005 10:59:41

This list is almost excellent, but needs a critical eye.

I wonder, did Richardson set out to give the complete descendants for six generations, or six generations in some lines but not in others?

The Umfreville line is an interesting and important line of descendants and therefor that is where I started looking. I hope I read it correctly

A4 Alice de Lucy died before 1219, married Odinel de Umfreville
parents of
B2 Richard de Umfreville, of Prudhoe, died before November 1226
wife unknown
parents of
C1 Gilbert de Umfreville, of Prudhoe, died 1245
married (1) before 1242 Tiphaine de Baliol (2) 1243/1244 Maud, Countess of Angus
by second wife
D1 Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus born circa 1244, died 1307 buried Hesham Priory
married before 1267 Elizabeth Comyn
parents of
E1 Gilbert de Umfreville, married Margaret de Clare
E2 Robert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus, married (1) Lucy de Kyme (2) Eleanor de Clare (widow of Richard Marmaduke)
E3 Thomas de Umfreville, of Redesdale, died after 7 February 1304/5

In some of the other lines generation F is also given, but not here.

I hope I copied the above correctly from that list, I started this line with the daughter of Richard de Lucy but now I would like to compare it with CP Volume I pages 146 to 150, but will start with C1
C1 Gilbert de Umfreville of Prudhoe and Redesdale,
died before 13 March 1244/1245, his fathers name is given but no mention of a first wife. He married _1243_ Maud Countess of Angus
They are the parents of
D1. Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus, born circa 1244, died before 13 October 1307 married _no marriage date indicated_ Elizabeth Comyn
they have two sons (shown, of course they could have more)
E1.Gilbert de Umfreville, married Margaret de Clare
E2 Robert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus married (1) Lucy de Kyme (2) Alienor _no surname nor a widow but as his widow married Sir Roger Mauduit
........E3 rates no mention

-------Why did Richardson stop here with this line? Why not add a sixth generation like in some other lines? It is just getting interesting .
E2 Robert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus is an ancestor of Gateway Ancestors
Olive Welby, Philip Mallory, Roger Mallory, Thomas Holford, Col. George Reade, Catherine Hamby, Jane Lowe, Nicholas Sewall, Hon. Robert Monckton, ass well as Prince William of Wales, Sarah Ferguson, William Addams Reitwiesner, Don Stone, Brom Nichol Jr., Mike Welch and John Ravilious.

E2 Robert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus
by his first wife had
1.Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus, should have been included in DRs list
2.Elizabeth married Gilbert de Boroughdon
by his second wife Alienor (or is it Eleanor de Clare?)
3.Robert
4.Thomasde Umfreville of Hessle married Joan Roddam
5.Annora married Stephen Walys

Thomas de Umfreville and Joan Roddam are ancestors of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer and many other interesting people.

Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

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Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 aug 2005 20:13:02

In a message dated 7/30/05 1:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

<< C1 Gilbert de Umfreville, of Prudhoe, died 1245 >>

This one should read "died shortly bef 13 Mar 1244/5"

Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 aug 2005 20:14:01

In a message dated 7/30/05 1:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

<< D1 Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus born circa 1244, died 1307 buried
Hesham Priory >>

Is this not "Hexham" ? instead of "Hesham" ?
Thanks
Will Johnson

Leo van de Pas

Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 01 aug 2005 23:45:02

Dear Will,
I did not want my list to be too detailed. I just wanted to emphasise the
differences with what Douglas Richardson sent us, as well as a few
additions. Even though he asked for comments, so far, he has not commented,
not very collegial is it?
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>; <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy


In a message dated 7/30/05 1:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

C1 Gilbert de Umfreville, of Prudhoe, died 1245

This one should read "died shortly bef 13 Mar 1244/5"

Will Johnson

Leo van de Pas

Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 01 aug 2005 23:50:02

Many thanks for catching this typo. I had not entered his burial site into
my computer as yet but I have now. Great that you remove minor
discrepancies.
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy


In a message dated 7/30/05 1:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

D1 Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus born circa 1244, died 1307
buried
Hesham Priory

Is this not "Hexham" ? instead of "Hesham" ?
Thanks
Will Johnson


Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 02 aug 2005 05:33:06

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Dear Will,
I did not want my list to be too detailed. I just wanted to emphasise the
differences with what Douglas Richardson sent us, as well as a few
additions. Even though he asked for comments, so far, he has not commented,
not very collegial is it?
Leo

Collegiality has nothing to do with it, Leo. I was busy today and
didn't have time to answer Will yet. We're all friends here.

Remember love is the key.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Descendants list of Richard de Lucy

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 02 aug 2005 18:35:04

Dear Will ~

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Hesham should be Hexham. Thanks for
pointing this out.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/30/05 1:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

D1 Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus born circa 1244, died 1307 buried
Hesham Priory

Is this not "Hexham" ? instead of "Hesham" ?
Thanks
Will Johnson

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