Who is Rohese ? Fw: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy,

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Leo van de Pas

Who is Rohese ? Fw: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy,

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 27 jul 2005 23:34:01

After this great message the obvious next step is to look in CP. Volume V
pages 113-116

Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex married Rohese sister of Aubrey
1st Earl of Oxford and daughter of Aubrey de Ver, Chamberlain of England, by
Adelise, daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare. After Geoffrey de
Mandeville died, Rohese married Pasyn de Beauchamp with whom she founded the
Priory of Chicksand where she was buried. There is a remark she survived her
son the 2nd Earl of Essex who died in 1166.

The question is, was this Rohese then married three times? In CP Volume XIV
under Essex is no additional information.

Also _if_ Faramuse de Boulogne is an uncle of the Lucy children, could he be
a great-uncle? Also to be an uncle Faramuse can be a brother of Rohese, but
what if they are half-siblings and Rohese has a different father, and they
could brother and sister-in-law and Faramuse would still be an uncle.

Leo van de Pas


----- Original Message -----
From: "butlergrt" <butlergrt@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of
Engl


Good Afternoon,
I believe that Rohese, (Rohaise) was the widow of the earl of essex,
daughter of Alberic de Vere, Lord Justiciary,temp Henry I,married 2nd,
Richard de Lucy,Constable of Falaise in Normandy for King Stephen, 1162
appointed Lord Justiciary of England,Henry I, 1172 appointed 2nd time High
Justiciary marching into Scotland with Humphrey de Bohun. Richard De Lucy
had 2 sons, Geoffrey and Herbert, and two daughters, Maude married Walter
fitz Robert, ancestors of the Fitzwalters, and Rohais, his other daughter,
married Fulbert de Dover, Lord of Chilham in Kent.
Data from "The Battle Abbey Roll" vol. II,p.128 and vol III,198-204 by the
Duchess of Cleveland, printed London, by John Murry, Albemarle Street,
1889. Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Emmett


Chris Phillips

Re: Who is Rohese ? Fw: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de L

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 27 jul 2005 23:34:02

Leo van de Pas wrote:
After this great message the obvious next step is to look in CP. Volume V
pages 113-116

Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex married Rohese sister of Aubrey
1st Earl of Oxford and daughter of Aubrey de Ver, Chamberlain of England,
by
Adelise, daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare. After Geoffrey de
Mandeville died, Rohese married Pasyn de Beauchamp with whom she founded
the
Priory of Chicksand where she was buried. There is a remark she survived
her
son the 2nd Earl of Essex who died in 1166.

The question is, was this Rohese then married three times? In CP Volume
XIV
under Essex is no additional information.

My question is what reason "butlergrt" has to identify Rohese, wife of
Richard de Lucy, with Rohese, the wife of Geoffrey de Mandeville (d. before
Michaelmas 1144).

Chris Phillips

butlergrt

Re: Who is Rohese ? My Error

Legg inn av butlergrt » 28 jul 2005 01:53:10

Good Evening Chris,
My error you are correct! I should have written out of the source rather
than my mind. Rohaise did indeed mary Pain(Paganus) who obtained the
Barony of Bedford, where his wife was buried at the priory he founded at
Chicksand Priory Bedford.
Most Sorry, shall try not to go by memory again.
Best Regards,
Emmet L. Butler

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