Philip De Gay/Gai

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Philip De Gay/Gai

Legg inn av Family Historian » 27 jul 2005 19:59:01

Now that it appears we are back to discussing genealogy; I will ask this again.

Is Philip FitzRobert De Gay, born c1122 died c1167, father of Aline De Gay
who married Alan Bassett, really the son of Robert of Gloucester born c1090
died Oct 31 1147?

Thank you,

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com
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Louise Staley

Re: Philip De Gay/Gai

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 27 jul 2005 23:59:04

The answer is no. Doug Richardson has posted that the parents of Philip
Gai are Stephen Gai of Northbrook and his wife Aline Pipard, heiress of
Wooton and daughter of Walter Pipard who was also married to John Fitz
Gilbert. However whether Aline is the mother of Philip has been
disputed. In any case Robert of Gloucester does not get a look in. Try
searching the archives under aline pipard there was a relevant thread
titled "Chronology of Philip de Gay (and a DD Correction)" from April
this year.

Louise

Family Historian wrote:
Now that it appears we are back to discussing genealogy; I will ask this again.

Is Philip FitzRobert De Gay, born c1122 died c1167, father of Aline De Gay
who married Alan Bassett, really the son of Robert of Gloucester born c1090
died Oct 31 1147?

Thank you,

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA

butlergrt

Re: Philip De Gai:Robert of Glouc.-Possible

Legg inn av butlergrt » 28 jul 2005 01:17:02

Good Evening Edward,
Louise, do not be to hasty!!Philip Gay/Gai/Jay or originally "Iay" is
listed as a kinsman of Robert, Earl of Gloucester. "Kinsman" used in many
different variations, natural son possible, as it, "kinsman", is mentioned
in the above reference in:
Flor. Wigorn. II, 109, year 1138.
Best Regards,
Emmet L. Butler

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Philip De Gai:Robert of Glouc.-Possible

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 28 jul 2005 03:34:58

butlergrt wrote:
Good Evening Edward,
Louise, do not be to hasty!!Philip Gay/Gai/Jay or originally "Iay" is
listed as a kinsman of Robert, Earl of Gloucester. "Kinsman" used in many
different variations, natural son possible, as it, "kinsman", is mentioned
in the above reference in:
Flor. Wigorn. II, 109, year 1138.

I suspect if he was son, Florence would have said (natural) son. More
likely he was kinsman of Robert through the latter's mother, Henry's
mistress.

taf

Peter Stewart

Re: Philip De Gai:Robert of Glouc.-Possible

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 jul 2005 04:50:03

"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
news:42e84452@news.ColoState.EDU...
butlergrt wrote:
Good Evening Edward,
Louise, do not be to hasty!!Philip Gay/Gai/Jay or originally "Iay" is
listed as a kinsman of Robert, Earl of Gloucester. "Kinsman" used in many
different variations, natural son possible, as it, "kinsman", is
mentioned
in the above reference in:
Flor. Wigorn. II, 109, year 1138.

I suspect if he was son, Florence would have said (natural) son. More
likely he was kinsman of Robert through the latter's mother, Henry's
mistress.

Agreed - NB "Florence", as the chronicler used to be called, is now usually
identified as John of Worcester.

Peter Stewart

Chris Phillips

Re: Philip De Gai:Robert of Glouc.-Possible

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 28 jul 2005 08:31:53

Emmet L. Butler wrote:
Louise, do not be to hasty!!Philip Gay/Gai/Jay or originally "Iay" is
listed as a kinsman of Robert, Earl of Gloucester. "Kinsman" used in many
different variations, natural son possible, as it, "kinsman", is mentioned
in the above reference in:
Flor. Wigorn. II, 109, year 1138.


David Crouch ("Robert of Gloucester's Mother and Sexual Politics in Norman
Oxfordshire," Historical Research 72 (Oct. 1999): 323-333) suggested, partly
on the basis of this evidence, that Robert of Gloucester's mother was a
member of the Gay family.

Chris Phillips

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