FitzWarine Question - CP amendment?

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Leo van de Pas

FitzWarine Question - CP amendment?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 26 jul 2005 07:39:01

Mike Welch send me an ancestor list of Hawise FitzWarine wife of (Sir) Ralph de Goushill.

I think he should send it to gen-med as well, it looks pretty good to me. Having said that, I would like to ask Mike what is your source for the birth of Hawise? You give about 1275.
CP V Page 497 tells her parents married _before 25 February 1276/7_ If you have a solid source then we should be able to correct CP's marriage date as well.

You have her mother as Margaret ferch Gruffydd. In Burke's Extinct Peerage 1866 she is referred to as The Princess Margaret, CP calls her Margaret daughter of Gruffydd ab Wennonwen, called also de La Pole.

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Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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Re: FitzWarine Question - CP amendment?

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 jul 2005 07:39:02

Leo and Newsgroup.

This is what I sent to Leo a few hours ago.
1. Hawise FitzWarin born abt 1275 died 2 Sep 1344 m.Sir Ralph de
Goushill born1274 died Aug 1294
2.Sir Fulk FitzWarin born 14 Sep 1251 died 24 Nov 1315 m.
3.Margaret ferch Gruffydd died 11 May 1336
4.Sir Fulk FitzWarin born 1209 died 14 May 1264 m.
5. Constance de Toeni born abt 1233 died 11 Feb 1266
6.Gruffydd ap Wennonwen born abt 1208 died 1286 m.
7.Hawise le Strange died 1310
8. Sir Fulk FitzWarin born 1175 died 8 Oct 1250 m.
9.Matilda le Vavasour died 1226
10.Sir Ralph de Toeni born 1191 died Sep 1239 m.
11.Petronilla de Lacy died 2 Mar 1290
12.Wennonwen ap Owain born 1158 died 1216 m.
13.Margaret Corbet
14.Sir John le Strange died Mar 1269 m.
15.Lucy de Tregoz died abt 1290
16.Fulk FitzWarin born abt 1142 died 1198 m.
17.Hawise de Dinan
18.Robert le Vavasour died 1227 m.
19.N.N. Birkin
20.Sir Roger de Toeni born 1160 died Jan 1209 m.
21.Constance de Beaumont
22.Walter de Lacy died 24 Feb 1241 m.
23.Margaret de Braoise died 12 May 1200
24.Owain ap Gruffydd died 1195 m.
25.Gwenllian ap Owain
26.Robert Corbet died 1222
27.Emma Pantulf
28. John le Strange died Jan 1234 m.
29. Amicia
30. Robert de Tregoz died Apr 1215 m.
31.Sybil de Ewyas died 1236
As to your first question it was just guess estimate. Yes CP does call
her Margaret de La Pole. I just call Margaret the dau of Wennonwen. I
used CP and a book by Gerald Paget. Which if memory serves me right is
An Offical Genealogical and Heraldic Baronage of England. Hawise only
child by Sir Ralph Goushill was Margaret Goushill born 12 May 1294 a
couple of months before her father died.
Here is something I found in the Calendar of Patent Rolls
Date 27 Oct 1376
Inspeximus and Confirmation to Philip le Despenser, kinsman and heir of
Giles de Gousell, of charter dated 17 Jun 42 Henry III granting the
said Giles and his heirs a market weekly and a fair yearly at his manor
of Gousell co Lincoln.
Mike Welch

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