Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

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Symonds

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Symonds » 25 jul 2005 00:45:02

Is it likely that the name of "Le Bossu" meant that he was a hunchback?
I see it translated in various places as Robert "the uneven", not as
above. I am wondering about the source for "Le Bossu". It is not
mentioned in the Concise Dictionary of National Biography.

Marilyn

Ginny Wagner

Montpincon

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 25 jul 2005 05:16:01

In The Conqueror and His Companions by J.R.Planche, as seen on the internet
at http://www.patpnyc.com there is a statement that Hugh de Montpincon married
Matilda de Grentmesnil, granddaughter of Judith and Ivo. There is, of
course, a lot of other good genealogical information there; but what I was
wondering is if that particular statement is accurate? Thanks for any help
with this. Ginny

Chris Phillips

Re: Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 25 jul 2005 08:35:31

Marilyn
Is it likely that the name of "Le Bossu" meant that he was a hunchback?
I see it translated in various places as Robert "the uneven", not as
above. I am wondering about the source for "Le Bossu". It is not
mentioned in the Concise Dictionary of National Biography.

David Crouch, in "The Beaumont Twins", suggests that he had a stoop, rather
than literally being hunchbacked.

Although th Complete Peerage says that he was "commonly called" le Bossu or
le Goczen, Crouch cites only 14th and 15th century sources for these.

Chris Phillips

Chris Phillips

Re: Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 25 jul 2005 11:17:53

Marilyn wrote:
Thank you very much for your thoughts on this. I have requested a loan
of David Crouch's book. I very much appreciate your reference to it. As
yet I have not found an interpretation of "le Goczen".

On this, according to my notes Watson, in an article in Genealogist news
series vol. 10, says that this and le Bossu "have most probably the same
signification". According to Crouch it occurs in a fifteenth century
register of Leicester abbey.

Chris Phillips

Symonds

Re: Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Symonds » 25 jul 2005 11:52:02

Thank you very much for your thoughts on this. I have requested a loan
of David Crouch's book. I very much appreciate your reference to it. As
yet I have not found an interpretation of "le Goczen".

Marilyn

Chris Phillips wrote:

David Crouch, in "The Beaumont Twins", suggests that he had a stoop, rather
than literally being hunchbacked.

Although th Complete Peerage says that he was "commonly called" le Bossu or
le Goczen, Crouch cites only 14th and 15th century sources for these.

Symonds

Re: Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Symonds » 25 jul 2005 12:23:01

Is it possible that Robert's other name "le Goczen" could have referred
to a place found in the old Bourbonnais province "Gouzon"? Were the
Beaumont family from this province?

Marilyn

Symonds

Re: Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester aka "Le Bossu"

Legg inn av Symonds » 25 jul 2005 14:19:01

Letting the imagination run: there is a town in Gascony - "Boussens" and
would a resident possibly be a "Boussue" and would a "Goczen" possibly
be a resident of Gascony? Just a thought. These could fit Watson's
theory that the terms "have most probably the same signification".

Oh well, always questions and theories! Thank you as always, Chris.
Marilyn


On this, according to my notes Watson, in an article in Genealogist news
series vol. 10, says that this and le Bossu "have most probably the same
signification". According to Crouch it occurs in a fifteenth century
register of Leicester abbey.

Chris Phillips

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