Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

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Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 23 jul 2005 19:59:13

This is just one of many line's Olive Welby has
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Maud Tailboys = Sir Robert Tyrwhitt
Sir Robert Tailboys = Elizabeth Heron
Elizabeth Bonville = Sir William Tailboys
Margaret Grey = William Lord Bonville
Margaret de Roos = Sir Reynold de Grey
Sir Thomas de Roos = Beatrice Stafford
William de Roos = Margery de Badlesmere
William de Roos = Maud de Vaux
Isabel D'Aubigny = Sir Robert de Roos
William D'Aubigny = Isabel
Margery de Umfreville = William D'Aubigny
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Richard de Lucy
This is one of the line's to Olive Welby

Mike Welch

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Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 jul 2005 20:18:32

Here's a second line to Rohese.
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Sir Richard Thimbleby = Katherine Tyrwhitt
Sir John Thimbleby = Margaret Boys
Elizabeth Hilton = Richard Thimbleby
Margery Willoughby = Sir Godfrey Hilton
Margaret Freville = Sir Hugh Willoughby
Sir Baldwin Freville = Maud le Scrope
Sir Baldwin Freville = Joyce Botetourt
Ida de Clinton = Sir Baldwin Freville
John de Clinton = Margarey Corbet
Ida de Oddingseles = Sir John de Clinton
Ela Fitz Walter = Sir William de Oddingseles
Sir Walter FitzRobert = Ida de Longespee
Robert FitzWalter = Rohese
Maud de Lucy = Walter FitzRobert
Rohese of Boulogne = Richard de Lucy

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Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 jul 2005 21:12:35

Here is a third line to Rohese.
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Maud Tailboys
Anne Constable = Sir William Tyrwhitt
Agnes Wentworth = Sir Robert Constable
Margery Despenser = Roger Wentworth
Sir Philip le Despenser = Elizabeth Tibetot
Sir Philip le Despenser = Elizabeth poss. le Strange
Sir Philip le Despenser = Joan de Cobham
Margaret de Goushill = Sir Philip le Despenser
Sir Ralph de Goushill = Hawise Fitz Warin
Sir Piers de Goushill = Ela de Camoys
Aveline de Faucomberg = Sir Giles de Goushill
Margaret de Montfitchet = Sir Piers de Faucomberg
Richard de Montfitchet = Milicent
Aveline de Lucy = Gilbert de Montfitchet
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Leo van de Pas

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 25 jul 2005 23:15:02

Dear Mike,

This line is very interesting for me as half-way somewhere they also become
ancestors of Princes Charles and William. I have some parts of this line but
not all and I have two wives different, see below :

----- Original Message -----
From: <mwelch8442@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne


Here is a third line to Rohese.
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Maud Tailboys
Anne Constable = Sir William Tyrwhitt
Agnes Wentworth = Sir Robert Constable
Margery Despenser = Roger Wentworth
Sir Philip le Despenser = Elizabeth Tibetot
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Sir Philip le Despenser = Elizabeth poss. le Strange
Sir Philip le Despenser = Joan de Cobham
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The above two I have as
Sir Philip le Despencer (died in 1400) = Margaret Cobham
Sir Philip le Despencer = Joan Strange
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Then a horrid question, how difficult is it to supply sources? Especially
for the earlier generation (which I have removed from this message)?
Leo

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Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 jul 2005 03:12:01

Another line for Olive to Rohese
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Maud Tailboys = Sir Robert Tyrwhitt
Sir Robert Tailboys = Elizabeth Heron
Elizabeth Bonville = Sir William Tailboys
Margaret Grey = William Lord Bonville
Reynold Lord Grey of Ruthin = Margaret de Roos
Elizabeth le Strange = Reynold Lord Grey of Ruthin
Ankaret le Boteler = John Lord le Strange of Blackmere
Ela de Herdeburgh = Sir William le Boteler
Ida de Oddingseles = Sir Roger de Herdeburgh
Ela Fitz Walter = William de Oddingseles
Walter Fitz Robert = Ida Longespee
Robert Fitz Walter = Rohese
Maud de Lucy = Walter Fitz Robert
Rohese of Boulogne = Richard de Lucy

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 28 jul 2005 09:54:39

Dear Mike ~

Thanks for posting yet another interesting descent from Rohese of
Boulogne for the immigrant, Olive (Welby) Farwell. I see that this new
descent comes through the previously overlooked Ela de Herdeburgh,
whose ancestry keeps getting better and better.

Again thanks for sharing this information with all of us. Much
appreciated!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

mwelch8442@yahoo.com wrote:
< Another line for Olive to Rohese
< Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
< Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
< Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
< Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
< Maud Tailboys = Sir Robert Tyrwhitt
< Sir Robert Tailboys = Elizabeth Heron
< Elizabeth Bonville = Sir William Tailboys
< Margaret Grey = William Lord Bonville
< Reynold Lord Grey of Ruthin = Margaret de Roos
< Elizabeth le Strange = Reynold Lord Grey of Ruthin
< Ankaret le Boteler = John Lord le Strange of Blackmere
< Ela de Herdeburgh = Sir William le Boteler
< Ida de Oddingseles = Sir Roger de Herdeburgh
< Ela Fitz Walter = William de Oddingseles
< Walter Fitz Robert = Ida Longespee
< Robert Fitz Walter = Rohese
< Maud de Lucy = Walter Fitz Robert
< Rohese of Boulogne = Richard de Lucy

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Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 jul 2005 05:09:33

Here's another line from Rohese.
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katheine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Maud Tailboys
Sir William Tyrwhitt = Anne Constable
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Jane Waterton
Elizabeth Lumley = Adam Tyrwhitt
Sir Ralph de Lumley =Eleanor de Neville
Sir Marmaduke de Lumley = Margaret de Holand
Sir Robert de Lumley = Lucy de Thweng
Sir Robert de Lumley = Maud Fitz John
Sibyl de Morwick = Sir Roger de Lumley
Sir Hugh de Morwick = Agnes
Sybil de Umfreville = Hugh de Morwick
Sir Richard de Umfreville = Sybil de Torrington
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Bolougne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 29 jul 2005 06:56:35

Dear Mike ~

Awesome post, simply awesome! By all means, please continue.

I do have a couple of minor corrections for this descent from Rohese of
Boulogne. Specifically, I have a change for the wives of Sir Hugh de
Morwick and his grandfather, Sir Richard de Umfreville, as follows:

Sir Hugh de Morwick (d. c. 1268) = Juliane de Reaveley
Sybil de Umfreville = Hugh de Morwick (d. c. 1237)
Sir Richard de Umfreville (d. bef. Nov. 1226) = unknown wife
Alice de Lucy (d. before 1219) = Odinel de Umfreville (died 1181)

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


mwelch8442@yahoo.com wrote:
Here's another line from Rohese.
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katheine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Maud Tailboys
Sir William Tyrwhitt = Anne Constable
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Jane Waterton
Elizabeth Lumley = Adam Tyrwhitt
Sir Ralph de Lumley = Eleanor de Neville
Sir Marmaduke de Lumley = Margaret de Holand
Sir Robert de Lumley = Lucy de Thweng
Sir Robert de Lumley = Maud Fitz John
Sibyl de Morwick = Sir Roger de Lumley
Sir Hugh de Morwick = Agnes
Sybil de Umfreville = Hugh de Morwick
Sir Richard de Umfreville = Sybil de Torrington
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Bolougne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 jul 2005 07:02:17

Doug

Thank You for the correction. Can you tell me where you found Sir Hugh
de Morwick wife called Juliane de Reaveley.

Best Always
Mike Welch

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 29 jul 2005 09:24:16

mwelch8442@yahoo.com wrote:
Doug

Thank You for the correction. Can you tell me where you found Sir Hugh
de Morwick wife called Juliane de Reaveley.

Best Always
Mike Welch

Dear Mike ~

You can find information on Sir Hugh de Morwick in the following
sources:

John C. Hodgson, Hist. of Northumberland, 5 (1899): 343-355.

Madeleine H. Dodds, Hist. of Northumberland, 14 (1935): 479-481.

W. Percy Hedley, Northumberland Families, 1 (1968): 29-31.

Good luck in your sleuthing!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 30 jul 2005 06:20:01

Here's another line to Rohese
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Francis Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhitt = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Maud Tailboys = Sir Robert Tyrwhitt
Sir Robert Tailboys = Elizabeth Heron
Sir William Tailboys = Elizabeth Bonville
Sir Walter Tailboys =
Sir Walter Tailboys = Margaret
Eleanor de Burradon =Henry Tailboys
Elizabeth de Umfreville = Sir Gilbert de Burradon
Sir Robert de Umfreville = Lucy de Kyme
Sir Gilbert de Umfreville =Elizabeth Comyn
Sir Gilbert de Umfreville = Maud of Angus
Sir Richard de Umfreville =
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 jul 2005 16:20:58

Here's another line from Olive Welby to Rohese
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Katherine Tyrwhiit = Sir Richard Thimbleby
Sir Robert Tyrwhitt = Maud Tailboys
Anne Constable = Sir William Tyrwhiit
Agnes Wentworth = Sir Robert Constable
Margarey Despenser = Roger Wentworth
Elizabeth Tibetot = Sir Philp le Despenser
Sir Robert Tibetot = Margaret Deincourt
Sir John Tibetot = Margaret de Badlesmere
Agnes de Roos = Pain de Tibetot
Sir William de Roos = Maud de Vaux
Isabel d'Aubigny = Sir Robert de Roos
William d'Aubigny = Isabel
Margarey de Umfreville = William d'Aubigny
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 jul 2005 20:57:28

Thank You Charlie for posting that line. If it wasn't for Doug research
on Margery Willoughby her mother Maud le Scrope and the grandmother
Maud de Roos. We would never have this line.
Here's the line to Rohese through to Olive
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Sir Richard Thimbleby = Katherine Tyrwhitt
Sir John Thimbleby = Margaret Boys
Elizabeth Hilton = Richard Thimbleby
Margery Willoughby = Sir Godfrey Hilton
Margaret Freville = Sir Hugh Willoughby
Maud le Scrope = Sir Baldwin Freville
Margery Welles = Sir Stephen le Scrope
Maud de Roos = Sir John de Welles
Sir William de Roos = Margery de Badlesmere
Sir William de Roos = Maud de Vaux
Isabel d'Aubigny = Sir Robert de Roos
William d'Aubigny = Isabel
Margery de Umfreville = William d'Aubigny
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 jul 2005 20:57:31

Thank You Charlie for posting that line. If it wasn't for Doug research
on Margery Willoughby her mother Maud le Scrope and the grandmother
Maud de Roos. We would never have this line.
Here's the line to Rohese through to Olive
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Sir Richard Thimbleby = Katherine Tyrwhitt
Sir John Thimbleby = Margaret Boys
Elizabeth Hilton = Richard Thimbleby
Margery Willoughby = Sir Godfrey Hilton
Margaret Freville = Sir Hugh Willoughby
Maud le Scrope = Sir Baldwin Freville
Margery Welles = Sir Stephen le Scrope
Maud de Roos = Sir John de Welles
Sir William de Roos = Margery de Badlesmere
Sir William de Roos = Maud de Vaux
Isabel d'Aubigny = Sir Robert de Roos
William d'Aubigny = Isabel
Margery de Umfreville = William d'Aubigny
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

Gjest

Re: Olive Welby of Massachusetts line to Rohese of Boulogne

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 jul 2005 20:57:35

Thank You Charlie for posting that line. If it wasn't for Doug research
on Margery Willoughby her mother Maud le Scrope and the grandmother
Maud de Roos. We would never have this line.
Here's the line to Rohese through to Olive
Olive Welby = Henry Farwell
Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Elizabeth Thimbleby = Thomas Welby
Sir Richard Thimbleby = Katherine Tyrwhitt
Sir John Thimbleby = Margaret Boys
Elizabeth Hilton = Richard Thimbleby
Margery Willoughby = Sir Godfrey Hilton
Margaret Freville = Sir Hugh Willoughby
Maud le Scrope = Sir Baldwin Freville
Margery Welles = Sir Stephen le Scrope
Maud de Roos = Sir John de Welles
Sir William de Roos = Margery de Badlesmere
Sir William de Roos = Maud de Vaux
Isabel d'Aubigny = Sir Robert de Roos
William d'Aubigny = Isabel
Margery de Umfreville = William d'Aubigny
Alice de Lucy = Odinel de Umfreville
Rohese of Boulogne = Sir Richard de Lucy

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