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Fw: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings

Legg inn av Leo » 23 jul 2005 15:21:01

I also seem to remember that there has been no documented proof of him
having been a homosexual. And also there is the theory of Dr. Ian Mortimer
that he was not murdered at all.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings


There was a thread last year about the story of Edward II's murder - a
search of the archive for "superficialiter" should find this. (I'm afraid
a great deal of twaddle will come with it.) The likelihood seems strong to
me that he was killed in the way people came to believe, and the idea for
this was probably due at least in part to a reputation for homosexual
behaviour - but of course that doesn't mean this this was necessarily
true, or discreditable if it was. No early source makes an explicit report
of it, and we also know that Edward had at least one illegitimate child, a
son named Adam.

Peter Stewart


Jwc1870@aol.com> wrote in message news:15b.556b43df.3013947b@aol.com...
Dear Spencer, Peter and others,
It is interesting that
while King Edward II has gone down in history (as far as recent
historians are
concerned anyway ) as a homosexual, whislt little has been said of his
"lovers"
sexuality. the dislike of Piers de Gaveston and latterly Hugh le
Despencer,
Earl of Gloucester had more to do with inordinant political influence.
But
Edward had other friends, including Donald II, Earl of Mar who had
spent part of
his formative years at the English court. According to Ronald McNair
Scott`s
biography Robert the Bruce , King of Scots p 216 following Edward II`s
forced
abdication and imprisonment in Kenilworth Castle, then He was sent to
Berkeley Castle and escaped. Donald had been living in England until
Edward II was
bullied into abdicating and made posthaste for Scotland where his uncle
restored
him to his Earldom and encouraged his plot to raise a Welsh force to free
the
former King of England. He had been removed to Berkeley Castle for a time
and
Donald`s plan freed him from the custody of his enemies. He was soon
recaptured and at that time Roger Mortimer and his lover Edward II`s
Queen, Isabel of
France (aka The Bitch of France) determined and seem to have carried
through
Edward II`s murder.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA




Dora Smith

Re: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 23 jul 2005 21:47:01

He wasn't murdered!

I knew that if I checked out this thread, I would eventually be entertained.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo" <leo@home.netspeed.com.au>
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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Fw: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings


I also seem to remember that there has been no documented proof of him
having been a homosexual. And also there is the theory of Dr. Ian Mortimer
that he was not murdered at all.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

fairthorne

Re: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings

Legg inn av fairthorne » 24 jul 2005 00:11:01

Hi Dora

Look for Edward II on Leo's web site - there is a good summary of Dr Ian
Mortimer's theory, together with the more traditional story. Leo presents
both and leaves the reader to decide

cheers

Simon

He wasn't murdered!

there is the theory of Dr. Ian Mortimer
that he was not murdered at all.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas


Leo

Re: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings

Legg inn av Leo » 24 jul 2005 00:19:01

It is easy to find. Enter in the Quick Search Edward II and you
get a short list and he is easy to recognise in that list.
http://www.genealogics.org
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "fairthorne" <fairthorne@breathe.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: England's/Britain's Homosexual Kings


Hi Dora

Look for Edward II on Leo's web site - there is a good summary of Dr Ian
Mortimer's theory, together with the more traditional story. Leo presents
both and leaves the reader to decide

cheers

Simon

He wasn't murdered!

there is the theory of Dr. Ian Mortimer
that he was not murdered at all.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas




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