Right Royal Puzzle
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Leo van de Pas
Right Royal Puzzle
I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but the whole story needs a lot of testing.
1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
father of
2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
father of
3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
father of
4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
father of
5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
-------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every generation................
Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son (?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was naturalised on 19 January 1642.
This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line given to me to the present.
Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
father of
2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
father of
3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
father of
4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
father of
5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
-------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every generation................
Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son (?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was naturalised on 19 January 1642.
This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line given to me to the present.
Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Peter Stewart
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Characteristically, Hines asserts a blatant falsehood, showing yet again
that he can't work through the most elementary evidence for himself to a
sensible conclusion: Leo's post didn't contain any implication whatsoever
that these people might be his own ancestors. He was conscientiously trying
to start a discussion that may yield interesting results, in the field that
is supposed to interest this newsgroup.
The constant, tedious refrain of "Hilarious!" from Hines only shows what a
defective and facile sense of humour he must have.
And/or he is sitting on a feather, that tickles his brain.
Peter Stewart
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eDGze.507$4H2.2941@eagle.america.net...
that he can't work through the most elementary evidence for himself to a
sensible conclusion: Leo's post didn't contain any implication whatsoever
that these people might be his own ancestors. He was conscientiously trying
to start a discussion that may yield interesting results, in the field that
is supposed to interest this newsgroup.
The constant, tedious refrain of "Hilarious!" from Hines only shows what a
defective and facile sense of humour he must have.
And/or he is sitting on a feather, that tickles his brain.
Peter Stewart
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eDGze.507$4H2.2941@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
Leo wants Royal Ancestors too.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002e01c5842a$c1a07b20$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
| I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but
the whole story needs a lot of testing.
|
| 1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
| father of
| 2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
| father of
| 3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
| father of
| 4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
| father of
| 5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
|
| -------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every
generation................
|
| Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son
(?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
| Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three
years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was
naturalised on 19 January 1642.
|
| This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft
England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in
Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He
died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son
Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line
given to me to the present.
|
| Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Leo wants Royal Ancestors too.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002e01c5842a$c1a07b20$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
| I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but
the whole story needs a lot of testing.
|
| 1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
| father of
| 2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
| father of
| 3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
| father of
| 4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
| father of
| 5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
|
| -------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every
generation................
|
| Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son
(?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
| Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three
years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was
naturalised on 19 January 1642.
|
| This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft
England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in
Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He
died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son
Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line
given to me to the present.
|
| Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
Leo wants Royal Ancestors too.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002e01c5842a$c1a07b20$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
| I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but
the whole story needs a lot of testing.
|
| 1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
| father of
| 2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
| father of
| 3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
| father of
| 4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
| father of
| 5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
|
| -------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every
generation................
|
| Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son
(?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
| Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three
years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was
naturalised on 19 January 1642.
|
| This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft
England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in
Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He
died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son
Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line
given to me to the present.
|
| Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
I dont know who you are D. Spencer Hines, but Leo posted MY descent,
and he never claimed it was his. You are a fool. And personally I don't
care if you believe it or not. I have no royal stars in my eyes. I
happen to have a dual diagnosis of Porphyria and I responded to an old
post Leo made concerning the disease. My father and sister have the
same type as I do, but my mother also has another type and they suspect
I have it also. I gave him what information I had, I have made no
claims on it's authenticity. Whatever Leo may find out is true or false
does not change the fact that I have a genetic disease that is related
to the royals of Europe. I prefer to base my value of character on who
I am, not who I am related to.
Ravyn, Lady Heresy (and incidentally, my nickname is referring to the
fact that I have been baptized three times if it is anyone's business--
it is a private joke.)
and he never claimed it was his. You are a fool. And personally I don't
care if you believe it or not. I have no royal stars in my eyes. I
happen to have a dual diagnosis of Porphyria and I responded to an old
post Leo made concerning the disease. My father and sister have the
same type as I do, but my mother also has another type and they suspect
I have it also. I gave him what information I had, I have made no
claims on it's authenticity. Whatever Leo may find out is true or false
does not change the fact that I have a genetic disease that is related
to the royals of Europe. I prefer to base my value of character on who
I am, not who I am related to.
Ravyn, Lady Heresy (and incidentally, my nickname is referring to the
fact that I have been baptized three times if it is anyone's business--
it is a private joke.)
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Leo keeps squirming.
He obviously wanted to prove a descent from Royal Ancestors -- even
illegitimately construed -- from a Prince Rupert, no less, otherwise
undefined.
Now he wants to deny it.
Leo has chosen to lie down with dogs and now he finds he is catching
fleas.
Serves Him Right!
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
Leo keeps squirming.
He obviously wanted to prove a descent from Royal Ancestors -- even
illegitimately construed -- from a Prince Rupert, no less, otherwise
undefined.
Now he wants to deny it.
Leo has chosen to lie down with dogs and now he finds he is catching
fleas.
Serves Him Right!
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
maybe you are related to royalty--you certainly sound like you are
insane. Ravyn is my name and duh---obviously my maiden surname was
Pangburn. and considering that my married name is Giuliani, you are
lucky this is virtual. But I only play mind games with worthy
opponents, you are just a troll and not worth my typing anymore
replies.
Ravyn
insane. Ravyn is my name and duh---obviously my maiden surname was
Pangburn. and considering that my married name is Giuliani, you are
lucky this is virtual. But I only play mind games with worthy
opponents, you are just a troll and not worth my typing anymore
replies.
Ravyn
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Peter Stewart
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
I hope you can expunge Hines from your mind, Ravyn, as others here must
tiresomely do day after day.
His method is to conduct a series of ram-raids on the consciousness of
readers who are not fully attending to the issues at hand, anticipating that
enough of them will be impressed by his pose of superiority for him to gain
a vague, ersatz kind of respect, especially from newcomers to SGM.
This only works if nobody will take him on and persistently expose his
stupidities and evasions.
The latest convulsions are due to his panic at recent posts revealing his
utter hypocrisy and inability to defend the foolish positions he has taken.
He thinks that by hissing & spitting in all directions like a demented toad
he will eventually outcroak us all & cow the newsgroup into silence, having
the stagnant pond left to himself; then he will claim a triumph and start
puffing himself up for next time.
It won't happen.
Peter Stewart
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120880374.506305.49450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tiresomely do day after day.
His method is to conduct a series of ram-raids on the consciousness of
readers who are not fully attending to the issues at hand, anticipating that
enough of them will be impressed by his pose of superiority for him to gain
a vague, ersatz kind of respect, especially from newcomers to SGM.
This only works if nobody will take him on and persistently expose his
stupidities and evasions.
The latest convulsions are due to his panic at recent posts revealing his
utter hypocrisy and inability to defend the foolish positions he has taken.
He thinks that by hissing & spitting in all directions like a demented toad
he will eventually outcroak us all & cow the newsgroup into silence, having
the stagnant pond left to himself; then he will claim a triumph and start
puffing himself up for next time.
It won't happen.
Peter Stewart
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120880374.506305.49450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I dont know who you are D. Spencer Hines, but Leo posted MY descent,
and he never claimed it was his. You are a fool. And personally I don't
care if you believe it or not. I have no royal stars in my eyes. I
happen to have a dual diagnosis of Porphyria and I responded to an old
post Leo made concerning the disease. My father and sister have the
same type as I do, but my mother also has another type and they suspect
I have it also. I gave him what information I had, I have made no
claims on it's authenticity. Whatever Leo may find out is true or false
does not change the fact that I have a genetic disease that is related
to the royals of Europe. I prefer to base my value of character on who
I am, not who I am related to.
Ravyn, Lady Heresy (and incidentally, my nickname is referring to the
fact that I have been baptized three times if it is anyone's business--
it is a private joke.)
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Leo
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Spencer that you are an obnoxious twit we knew, some say you can't
understand Latin and I am wondering how good are your reading skills in
American English? Do spell out 1.I say these are my ancestors?
2.Where do I have American ancestors to qualify as a descendant of a Gateway
ancestor?
At least my ancestors (those few) are on public record. I do not gloat about
royal ancestors or prominent cousins, we know who has done that.........
Nuff said as the twit said.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
understand Latin and I am wondering how good are your reading skills in
American English? Do spell out 1.I say these are my ancestors?
2.Where do I have American ancestors to qualify as a descendant of a Gateway
ancestor?
At least my ancestors (those few) are on public record. I do not gloat about
royal ancestors or prominent cousins, we know who has done that.........
Nuff said as the twit said.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Leo wants Royal Ancestors too.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002e01c5842a$c1a07b20$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
| I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but
the whole story needs a lot of testing.
|
| 1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
| father of
| 2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
| father of
| 3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
| father of
| 4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
| father of
| 5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620
|
| -------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every
generation................
|
| Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son
(?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
| Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three
years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was
naturalised on 19 January 1642.
|
| This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft
England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in
Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He
died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son
Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line
given to me to the present.
|
| Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
thanks Peter. If I can survive on the I Hate My In-Laws forum and run
my own XJehovah's Witness group I think I can probably handle a
demented toad. I just match ignorance with IGNORE-ance.
I would love to find out one way or another if Pieter Pangbourne was
the illegitimate son of Prince Rupert or NOT. It is an unsolved mystery
in the family. And I would love to get more genealogy before Pieter #1
in 1538, but I was told that previous to that the surname is unknown
since Pieter #1 took the name of the town (Pangbourne-on-Thames) he
immigrated to from Freisland (sp?). 'Pangbourne' itself is Anglo-Saxon
meaning 'stream of Paega's people'. But there is no evidence that my
line went back to 'Paega', just to the town.
Ravyn
my own XJehovah's Witness group I think I can probably handle a
demented toad. I just match ignorance with IGNORE-ance.
I would love to find out one way or another if Pieter Pangbourne was
the illegitimate son of Prince Rupert or NOT. It is an unsolved mystery
in the family. And I would love to get more genealogy before Pieter #1
in 1538, but I was told that previous to that the surname is unknown
since Pieter #1 took the name of the town (Pangbourne-on-Thames) he
immigrated to from Freisland (sp?). 'Pangbourne' itself is Anglo-Saxon
meaning 'stream of Paega's people'. But there is no evidence that my
line went back to 'Paega', just to the town.
Ravyn
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Quit being hysterical, you Harpy.
I never said these people were Leo's OWN ancestors.
Learn To Read, you stupid bitch -- or bastard -- as the case may be.
And stop posting under false names.
Deeeelightful!
Carlotta, it just doesn't get any better than this!
Deus Vult.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120880374.506305.49450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<baldersnip>
I never said these people were Leo's OWN ancestors.
Learn To Read, you stupid bitch -- or bastard -- as the case may be.
And stop posting under false names.
Deeeelightful!
Carlotta, it just doesn't get any better than this!
Deus Vult.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120880374.506305.49450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<baldersnip>
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Prince Rupert, defined:
Rupert (von) Simmern b.1619 d.1682, Prince of the Rhine, Duke of
Cumberland, son of
Frederick V, King of Bohemia(The Winter King) and
Elizabeth Stuart(The Winter Queen), b.1596 d.1662, daughter of
Anne of Denmark and
James I of England(IV of Scotland) b.1566 d.1625, son of
Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley and
Mary Queen of Scots.
(Rupert's sister Sophia's, (b.1630 d.1714,) daughter-Sophia Dorothea
was married to
King George I, who's son-King George II's grandson was King George
III--the 'mad' King.)
Ravyn
Rupert (von) Simmern b.1619 d.1682, Prince of the Rhine, Duke of
Cumberland, son of
Frederick V, King of Bohemia(The Winter King) and
Elizabeth Stuart(The Winter Queen), b.1596 d.1662, daughter of
Anne of Denmark and
James I of England(IV of Scotland) b.1566 d.1625, son of
Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley and
Mary Queen of Scots.
(Rupert's sister Sophia's, (b.1630 d.1714,) daughter-Sophia Dorothea
was married to
King George I, who's son-King George II's grandson was King George
III--the 'mad' King.)
Ravyn
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Rampant Poseur Exposed.
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" indeed ---- your fat arse.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120882096.690602.106750@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<baldersnip>
Rampant Poseur Exposed.
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" indeed ---- your fat arse.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120882096.690602.106750@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<baldersnip>
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Leo
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Spencer,
Again your ignorance is showing. An undefined Prince Rupert? One who became
a British subject? How much more defining do you need? Do quote where I
claim they are MY ancestors.
It is people like you who give Americans a bad name and it is people like
you who make people weary of contributing to Gen-med----no wonder there are
so many lurkers.
Spencer do tell us, are you proud of yourself? Do tell us what have you
achieved?
We know you claim royal ancestors (undefined) and you claim the great of the
world as your cousins (undefined), but what have you achieved? Where do you
contribute?
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Again your ignorance is showing. An undefined Prince Rupert? One who became
a British subject? How much more defining do you need? Do quote where I
claim they are MY ancestors.
It is people like you who give Americans a bad name and it is people like
you who make people weary of contributing to Gen-med----no wonder there are
so many lurkers.
Spencer do tell us, are you proud of yourself? Do tell us what have you
achieved?
We know you claim royal ancestors (undefined) and you claim the great of the
world as your cousins (undefined), but what have you achieved? Where do you
contribute?
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Leo keeps squirming.
He obviously wanted to prove a descent from Royal Ancestors -- even
illegitimately construed -- from a Prince Rupert, no less, otherwise
undefined.
Now he wants to deny it.
Leo has chosen to lie down with dogs and now he finds he is catching
fleas.
Serves Him Right!
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Freisland no doubt is Friesland. The timeframe for "the not needing any
definition Prince Rupert" just fits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
definition Prince Rupert" just fits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
thanks Peter. If I can survive on the I Hate My In-Laws forum and run
my own XJehovah's Witness group I think I can probably handle a
demented toad. I just match ignorance with IGNORE-ance.
I would love to find out one way or another if Pieter Pangbourne was
the illegitimate son of Prince Rupert or NOT. It is an unsolved mystery
in the family. And I would love to get more genealogy before Pieter #1
in 1538, but I was told that previous to that the surname is unknown
since Pieter #1 took the name of the town (Pangbourne-on-Thames) he
immigrated to from Freisland (sp?). 'Pangbourne' itself is Anglo-Saxon
meaning 'stream of Paega's people'. But there is no evidence that my
line went back to 'Paega', just to the town.
Ravyn
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" is salivating because she thinks she may have a
descent from James VI/I, et alii.
How Sweet It Is!
Then she would be cousins with Charles and Diana.
Deeeeelightful!
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" is salivating because she thinks she may have a
descent from James VI/I, et alii.
How Sweet It Is!
Then she would be cousins with Charles and Diana.
Deeeeelightful!
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120885753.508927.4450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| (Rupert's sister Sophia's, (b.1630 d.1714,) daughter-Sophia Dorothea
| was married to King George I, who's [sic] son-King George II's
| grandson was King George III -- the 'mad' King.)
Nonsense.
Rupert's sister, Sophia [1630-1714], was the MOTHER of George I.
George I's WIFE was Sophia Dorothea von Braunschweig-Luneburg-Celle.
She proved to be an adulteress -- is that where your ancestry comes in?
George I did NOT marry his own SISTER.
You do screw yourself up rather grandly, don't you?
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
news:1120885753.508927.4450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| (Rupert's sister Sophia's, (b.1630 d.1714,) daughter-Sophia Dorothea
| was married to King George I, who's [sic] son-King George II's
| grandson was King George III -- the 'mad' King.)
Nonsense.
Rupert's sister, Sophia [1630-1714], was the MOTHER of George I.
George I's WIFE was Sophia Dorothea von Braunschweig-Luneburg-Celle.
She proved to be an adulteress -- is that where your ancestry comes in?
George I did NOT marry his own SISTER.
You do screw yourself up rather grandly, don't you?
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120885753.508927.4450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| James I of England (IV of Scotland) b.1566 d.1625, son of
| Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley and Mary Queen of Scots.
----------------------------------------------
MORE Nonsense.
He was James VI of Scotland NOT James IV of Scotland.
Are you confused by Roman Numerals?
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
news:1120885753.508927.4450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| James I of England (IV of Scotland) b.1566 d.1625, son of
| Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley and Mary Queen of Scots.
----------------------------------------------
MORE Nonsense.
He was James VI of Scotland NOT James IV of Scotland.
Are you confused by Roman Numerals?
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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Leo
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Sadly you think her to be in your company claiming a relationship to Lady
Diana.
As usual you are misreading, she is trying to establish a line from where a
hereditary disease may have come from.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Diana.
As usual you are misreading, she is trying to establish a line from where a
hereditary disease may have come from.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" is salivating because she thinks she may have a
descent from James VI/I, et alii.
How Sweet It Is!
Then she would be cousins with Charles and Diana.
Deeeeelightful!
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Leo babbles on.
Clearly "she" is hoping for a line of descent from James VI/I in the
process of _tracing "her" disease_.
Leo is pimping for her/him/it.
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" ---- in drag, no doubt.
DSH
Clearly "she" is hoping for a line of descent from James VI/I in the
process of _tracing "her" disease_.
Leo is pimping for her/him/it.
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" ---- in drag, no doubt.
DSH
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
checked the stuff--I didn't really care. It is all from my
grandmother's notes and papers that I got after she died. Perhaps I can
get it better organized. That is one reason why I came to this group,
to find out accurate info and correct the mistakes.
Ravyn
checked the stuff--I didn't really care. It is all from my
grandmother's notes and papers that I got after she died. Perhaps I can
get it better organized. That is one reason why I came to this group,
to find out accurate info and correct the mistakes.
Ravyn
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
oh and I don't really care about the relationship to George III except
that he did have Porphyria, my line goes back before him anyway. I
would really like to get more info on the first Pieter Pangbourne 1538
but I don't know if it is possible. I thot the focus of this group was
pre-1600 anyway?
Ravyn
that he did have Porphyria, my line goes back before him anyway. I
would really like to get more info on the first Pieter Pangbourne 1538
but I don't know if it is possible. I thot the focus of this group was
pre-1600 anyway?
Ravyn
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Damned Straight.
Careless & Insouciant.
Leo, of course, fell for it.
Hilarious!
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120923453.362238.238410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
| checked the stuff -- I didn't really care.
Careless & Insouciant.
Leo, of course, fell for it.
Hilarious!
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120923453.362238.238410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
| checked the stuff -- I didn't really care.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Yes, by all means, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" should send that can of worms to
Leo, so he can play with it.
There's not a moment to lose!
Actually, it appears to be _Coprophilia_ he/she/it is suffering from --
not Hereditary Coproporphyria.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120929040.355433.42730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|...I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
Yes, by all means, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" should send that can of worms to
Leo, so he can play with it.
There's not a moment to lose!
Actually, it appears to be _Coprophilia_ he/she/it is suffering from --
not Hereditary Coproporphyria.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120929040.355433.42730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|...I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
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Leo
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
I fell for nothing, did I repeat the information you are quibbling about? No
I didn't?
I fell for it? You are stumbling from idiocy to idiocy. Pull yourself
together.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
I didn't?
I fell for it? You are stumbling from idiocy to idiocy. Pull yourself
together.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Damned Straight.
Careless & Insouciant.
Leo, of course, fell for it.
Hilarious!
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120923453.362238.238410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
| checked the stuff -- I didn't really care.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Hilarious!
Yes, by all means, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" should send that entire can of
worms off to Leo, so he can play with it.
Leo doesn't have enough to do these days and he's always eager to dive
into another manure pile -- as into this one allegedly left to you by
your sainted Grandmother.
There's not a moment to lose!
I'm sure Leo is waiting for it and will work it hard for you -- purely
gratis, of course.
| Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
| checked the stuff -- I didn't really care. -- "Ravyn, Lady Heresy"
Yes, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" -- as you sit there at your desk in Full
Drag -- NOT TO WORRY! Leo UNDERSTANDS!
He doesn't expect you to have checked it, or even to have looked at it
all. Just SEND it off to him and dump it in his lap. He LOVES this
sort of thing -- it's much more fun for him this way if it HASN'T been
checked.
You see, he can experience the Joy of Discovery so much more this way if
he actually does find a pony hidden in the middle of that manure pile.
-------------------------------------
Actually, it appears to be _Coprophilia_ he/she/it is suffering from --
not Hereditary Coproporphyria.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120929040.355433.42730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|...I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
Yes, by all means, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" should send that entire can of
worms off to Leo, so he can play with it.
Leo doesn't have enough to do these days and he's always eager to dive
into another manure pile -- as into this one allegedly left to you by
your sainted Grandmother.
There's not a moment to lose!
I'm sure Leo is waiting for it and will work it hard for you -- purely
gratis, of course.
| Leo, I am sorry for the discrepancies in the info I have, I never even
| checked the stuff -- I didn't really care. -- "Ravyn, Lady Heresy"
Yes, "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" -- as you sit there at your desk in Full
Drag -- NOT TO WORRY! Leo UNDERSTANDS!
He doesn't expect you to have checked it, or even to have looked at it
all. Just SEND it off to him and dump it in his lap. He LOVES this
sort of thing -- it's much more fun for him this way if it HASN'T been
checked.
You see, he can experience the Joy of Discovery so much more this way if
he actually does find a pony hidden in the middle of that manure pile.
-------------------------------------
Actually, it appears to be _Coprophilia_ he/she/it is suffering from --
not Hereditary Coproporphyria.
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.
Deus Vult.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120929040.355433.42730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|...I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
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Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
-
Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
-
Ravyn, Lady Heresy
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a new
direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
Ravyn
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Absolutely!
I'm sure Leo van de Pas is intensely interested in all your Medical
Problems too.
Send him all the data on those as well.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120949209.086808.11920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
| to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a
new
|
| direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
I'm sure Leo van de Pas is intensely interested in all your Medical
Problems too.
Send him all the data on those as well.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120949209.086808.11920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
| to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a
new
|
| direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Right Royal Puzzle
Recte:
Absolutely!
I'm sure Leo van de Pas is intensely interested in all your Medical
Problems too.
Send him all the data on those as well.
Leo will probably have some excellent advice for you.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120949209.086808.11920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
| to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a
| new direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn
Absolutely!
I'm sure Leo van de Pas is intensely interested in all your Medical
Problems too.
Send him all the data on those as well.
Leo will probably have some excellent advice for you.
DSH
"Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120949209.086808.11920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| IF I am related to Prince Rupert it does not matter how he is related
| to King George, not for my purposes, as then my line takes off in a
| new direction. I have the positive diagnosis from my father's side of
| Variegated Porphyria, no matter who he is related to or not. It is the
| dual diagnosis that can't be proved yet. The only labratory that does
| work on Hereditary Coproporphyria and it's subsets eg Harderoporphyria
| is in France and right now there is no way to get the blood there
| without it being compromised and I can't travel right now. Now my
| mother's side is a totally different can of worms and I hesitate to
| even post her pedigree with the likes of Hiney-boy disrupting the
| thread. If I can get it all together I will probably send it to you
| privately. My interest is purely medical at this time.
| Ravyn