English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
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Vickie Elam White
English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
__Estates of Charlestown __ by Thomas B. Wyman suggests that
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton, Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks" by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
I appreciate any help.
Vickie Elam White
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton, Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks" by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
I appreciate any help.
Vickie Elam White
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Dear Vickie ~
First things first. Who is your better candidate and what evidence do
you have to prove it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
First things first. Who is your better candidate and what evidence do
you have to prove it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
__Estates of Charlestown __ by Thomas B. Wyman suggests that
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton, Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks" by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
I appreciate any help.
Vickie Elam White
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Which suggestion - that the Wobern immigrant was son of Richard and
Philippa, or that Richard was son of Sylvester? I think they both have
the same root - the assumption that the NE Baldwin immigrants shared a
common root, followed by a search for baptisms in the appropriate part
of Bucks.
As to Richard being son of Sylvester, this was obliterated by an article
in The Genealogist - one of the first after the transfer of
proprietorship, I think vol 11. Several years ago someone sent me an
alternate ancestry of Richard, husband of Philippa, (tracing him from
John, son of Robert Baldwin, great-uncle of Sylvester).
Hmmm.
Todd
__Estates of Charlestown __ by Thomas B. Wyman suggests that
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton, Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks" by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
Which suggestion - that the Wobern immigrant was son of Richard and
Philippa, or that Richard was son of Sylvester? I think they both have
the same root - the assumption that the NE Baldwin immigrants shared a
common root, followed by a search for baptisms in the appropriate part
of Bucks.
As to Richard being son of Sylvester, this was obliterated by an article
in The Genealogist - one of the first after the transfer of
proprietorship, I think vol 11. Several years ago someone sent me an
alternate ancestry of Richard, husband of Philippa, (tracing him from
John, son of Robert Baldwin, great-uncle of Sylvester).
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
Hmmm.
Todd
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Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Douglas,
I will put him forward and open the matter to
discussion when I have more facts concerning
the current thinking about Henry's origins.
Vickie Elam White
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1120767046.678217.106630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
First things first. Who is your better candidate and what
evidence do
you have to prove it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
I will put him forward and open the matter to
discussion when I have more facts concerning
the current thinking about Henry's origins.
Vickie Elam White
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1120767046.678217.106630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
First things first. Who is your better candidate and what
evidence do
you have to prove it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
__Estates of Charlestown __ by Thomas B. Wyman suggests that
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton,
Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England
on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks"
by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
I appreciate any help.
Vickie Elam White
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Todd,
Oops, sorry to be somewhat confusing. I am
looking into why this Henry, son of Richard
and Philippa, is thought to have been the immigrant
to New England. And also if this is still the most
current candidate.
Vickie Elam White
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
news:42cd8e0e@news.ColoState.EDU...
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Which suggestion - that the Wobern immigrant was son of Richard
and
Philippa, or that Richard was son of Sylvester? I think they
both have
the same root - the assumption that the NE Baldwin immigrants
shared a
common root, followed by a search for baptisms in the appropriate
part
of Bucks.
As to Richard being son of Sylvester, this was obliterated by an
article
in The Genealogist - one of the first after the transfer of
proprietorship, I think vol 11. Several years ago someone sent
me an
alternate ancestry of Richard, husband of Philippa, (tracing him
from
John, son of Robert Baldwin, great-uncle of Sylvester).
Hmmm.
Todd
Oops, sorry to be somewhat confusing. I am
looking into why this Henry, son of Richard
and Philippa, is thought to have been the immigrant
to New England. And also if this is still the most
current candidate.
Vickie Elam White
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
news:42cd8e0e@news.ColoState.EDU...
Vickie Elam White wrote:
__Estates of Charlestown __ by Thomas B. Wyman suggests that
Henry Baldwin, bp. 08 Feb 1622/23 in Ashton Clinton,
Buckingham,
England was the immigrant who was in Charlestown MA before 1640
and settled in Woburn MA that year. This Henry was the son of
Richard and Philippa (--) Baldwin.
This Richard was supposedly the fifth son of Sylvester Baldwin
and Jane Welles who married in Cholesbury, Buckingham, England
on
28 Dec 1590 (the source for this is "Report of Investigations
Concerning the Family of Baldwin, of Aston Clinton, co. Bucks"
by
Col. Joseph L. Chester, NEHGR 38:289 [1884]).
What is the basis for this suggestion?
Which suggestion - that the Wobern immigrant was son of Richard
and
Philippa, or that Richard was son of Sylvester? I think they
both have
the same root - the assumption that the NE Baldwin immigrants
shared a
common root, followed by a search for baptisms in the appropriate
part
of Bucks.
As to Richard being son of Sylvester, this was obliterated by an
article
in The Genealogist - one of the first after the transfer of
proprietorship, I think vol 11. Several years ago someone sent
me an
alternate ancestry of Richard, husband of Philippa, (tracing him
from
John, son of Robert Baldwin, great-uncle of Sylvester).
I believe I have found a better candidate, but I'd like to
explore
all angles if possible.
Hmmm.
Todd
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Gjest
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
That is correct. Article: "Sylvester and Jane (Wells) Baldwin, parents
of the immigrant Sylvester Baldwin by Clifford L. Stott, The
Genealogist 11 (1997):111-5.
of the immigrant Sylvester Baldwin by Clifford L. Stott, The
Genealogist 11 (1997):111-5.
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Vickie Elam White wrote:
As I said, it was originally based on the assumption that the immigrnat
seemed to belong to the general Sylvester Baldwin family (which is known
to have supplied several other Baldwin immigrants with similar migration
patterns). They looked for a Henry of about the right age from the
communities near Sylvester's Bucks homeland and found one - end of
story. As has been discussed here in other contexts, such old solutions
tend to be 'grandfathered' - were they proposed today, the evidence
would never be thought convincing, but as they have been accepted so
long, no one has troubled to reexamine the question in light of modern
critical principles.
There has been very little done on the immigration-generation Baldwins
since Col. Chester and C.C. Baldwin's works in the 1880s. Baldwin's
work was 'supplemented and updated' by Aubrey Baldwin in the 1980s,
resulting in a multi-volume work that is not very broadly available. I
have seen the Henry of Woburn volume in the Pa. Hist. Soc. (Phili) and
the Western Reserve Hist. Soc. (Cleveland), but I don't recall there
being anything new on Henry's derivation (in fact, I am pretty sure he
did not question or reevaluate the connection, or I would have noted it
at the time). I don't think I made copies, but I will see what I have.
Certainly if the dates you give are accurate - if he was in Charlestown
before 1640, then the chronology gets a bit short (though not
prohibitively so) for a man bapt. 1622/3 and not immigrating with family.
taf
Todd,
Oops, sorry to be somewhat confusing. I am
looking into why this Henry, son of Richard
and Philippa, is thought to have been the immigrant
to New England. And also if this is still the most
current candidate.
As I said, it was originally based on the assumption that the immigrnat
seemed to belong to the general Sylvester Baldwin family (which is known
to have supplied several other Baldwin immigrants with similar migration
patterns). They looked for a Henry of about the right age from the
communities near Sylvester's Bucks homeland and found one - end of
story. As has been discussed here in other contexts, such old solutions
tend to be 'grandfathered' - were they proposed today, the evidence
would never be thought convincing, but as they have been accepted so
long, no one has troubled to reexamine the question in light of modern
critical principles.
There has been very little done on the immigration-generation Baldwins
since Col. Chester and C.C. Baldwin's works in the 1880s. Baldwin's
work was 'supplemented and updated' by Aubrey Baldwin in the 1980s,
resulting in a multi-volume work that is not very broadly available. I
have seen the Henry of Woburn volume in the Pa. Hist. Soc. (Phili) and
the Western Reserve Hist. Soc. (Cleveland), but I don't recall there
being anything new on Henry's derivation (in fact, I am pretty sure he
did not question or reevaluate the connection, or I would have noted it
at the time). I don't think I made copies, but I will see what I have.
Certainly if the dates you give are accurate - if he was in Charlestown
before 1640, then the chronology gets a bit short (though not
prohibitively so) for a man bapt. 1622/3 and not immigrating with family.
taf
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Dear Vickie ~
I recommend you look at the wealth of Baldwin material prepared by Dr.
Herbert F. Seversmith, FASG, which appears in his multi-volume work,
Colonial Families of Long Island, New York, and Connecticut.
There is also material on the Baldwin family in the book, The Ancestry
and Descendants of Frederick Tracy Camp and his wife, Marion Fee, by
John F. Camp, Jr., and N. Grier Parke, II , with the editorial help of
Donald Lines Jacobus.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
I recommend you look at the wealth of Baldwin material prepared by Dr.
Herbert F. Seversmith, FASG, which appears in his multi-volume work,
Colonial Families of Long Island, New York, and Connecticut.
There is also material on the Baldwin family in the book, The Ancestry
and Descendants of Frederick Tracy Camp and his wife, Marion Fee, by
John F. Camp, Jr., and N. Grier Parke, II , with the editorial help of
Donald Lines Jacobus.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Douglas,
Thanks for these recommendations. I'll
check them out.
Vickie Elam White
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1120771762.041173.77530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
I recommend you look at the wealth of Baldwin material prepared
by Dr.
Herbert F. Seversmith, FASG, which appears in his multi-volume
work,
Colonial Families of Long Island, New York, and Connecticut.
There is also material on the Baldwin family in the book, The
Ancestry
and Descendants of Frederick Tracy Camp and his wife, Marion Fee,
by
John F. Camp, Jr., and N. Grier Parke, II , with the editorial
help of
Donald Lines Jacobus.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Thanks for these recommendations. I'll
check them out.
Vickie Elam White
<royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1120771762.041173.77530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
I recommend you look at the wealth of Baldwin material prepared
by Dr.
Herbert F. Seversmith, FASG, which appears in his multi-volume
work,
Colonial Families of Long Island, New York, and Connecticut.
There is also material on the Baldwin family in the book, The
Ancestry
and Descendants of Frederick Tracy Camp and his wife, Marion Fee,
by
John F. Camp, Jr., and N. Grier Parke, II , with the editorial
help of
Donald Lines Jacobus.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Thank you very much for this citation. Do
you, or anyone else in the group, happen to
have this article to scan and email to me?
Or photocopy and mail? I'd gladly pay for
costs.
Vickie Elam White
<mhollick@mac.com> wrote in message
news:1120769698.340113.93750@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
That is correct. Article: "Sylvester and Jane (Wells) Baldwin,
parents
of the immigrant Sylvester Baldwin by Clifford L. Stott, The
Genealogist 11 (1997):111-5.
you, or anyone else in the group, happen to
have this article to scan and email to me?
Or photocopy and mail? I'd gladly pay for
costs.
Vickie Elam White
<mhollick@mac.com> wrote in message
news:1120769698.340113.93750@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
That is correct. Article: "Sylvester and Jane (Wells) Baldwin,
parents
of the immigrant Sylvester Baldwin by Clifford L. Stott, The
Genealogist 11 (1997):111-5.
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Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Todd,
Thanks. I was afraid that this is why he was
considered a candidate.
Yes, the man I suspect may have been the immigrant
may have come over with family, but, if I'm right, their
surname was not Baldwin.
I appreciate any help you can give. You have
always struck me as a careful and thorough researcher.
Vickie Elam White
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
news:42cd99c5@news.ColoState.EDU...
Vickie Elam White wrote:
As I said, it was originally based on the assumption that the
immigrnat
seemed to belong to the general Sylvester Baldwin family (which
is known
to have supplied several other Baldwin immigrants with similar
migration
patterns). They looked for a Henry of about the right age from
the
communities near Sylvester's Bucks homeland and found one - end
of
story. As has been discussed here in other contexts, such old
solutions
tend to be 'grandfathered' - were they proposed today, the
evidence
would never be thought convincing, but as they have been accepted
so
long, no one has troubled to reexamine the question in light of
modern
critical principles.
There has been very little done on the immigration-generation
Baldwins
since Col. Chester and C.C. Baldwin's works in the 1880s.
Baldwin's
work was 'supplemented and updated' by Aubrey Baldwin in the
1980s,
resulting in a multi-volume work that is not very broadly
available. I
have seen the Henry of Woburn volume in the Pa. Hist. Soc.
(Phili) and
the Western Reserve Hist. Soc. (Cleveland), but I don't recall
there
being anything new on Henry's derivation (in fact, I am pretty
sure he
did not question or reevaluate the connection, or I would have
noted it
at the time). I don't think I made copies, but I will see what I
have.
Certainly if the dates you give are accurate - if he was in
Charlestown
before 1640, then the chronology gets a bit short (though not
prohibitively so) for a man bapt. 1622/3 and not immigrating with
family.
taf
Thanks. I was afraid that this is why he was
considered a candidate.
Yes, the man I suspect may have been the immigrant
may have come over with family, but, if I'm right, their
surname was not Baldwin.
I appreciate any help you can give. You have
always struck me as a careful and thorough researcher.
Vickie Elam White
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
news:42cd99c5@news.ColoState.EDU...
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Todd,
Oops, sorry to be somewhat confusing. I am
looking into why this Henry, son of Richard
and Philippa, is thought to have been the immigrant
to New England. And also if this is still the most
current candidate.
As I said, it was originally based on the assumption that the
immigrnat
seemed to belong to the general Sylvester Baldwin family (which
is known
to have supplied several other Baldwin immigrants with similar
migration
patterns). They looked for a Henry of about the right age from
the
communities near Sylvester's Bucks homeland and found one - end
of
story. As has been discussed here in other contexts, such old
solutions
tend to be 'grandfathered' - were they proposed today, the
evidence
would never be thought convincing, but as they have been accepted
so
long, no one has troubled to reexamine the question in light of
modern
critical principles.
There has been very little done on the immigration-generation
Baldwins
since Col. Chester and C.C. Baldwin's works in the 1880s.
Baldwin's
work was 'supplemented and updated' by Aubrey Baldwin in the
1980s,
resulting in a multi-volume work that is not very broadly
available. I
have seen the Henry of Woburn volume in the Pa. Hist. Soc.
(Phili) and
the Western Reserve Hist. Soc. (Cleveland), but I don't recall
there
being anything new on Henry's derivation (in fact, I am pretty
sure he
did not question or reevaluate the connection, or I would have
noted it
at the time). I don't think I made copies, but I will see what I
have.
Certainly if the dates you give are accurate - if he was in
Charlestown
before 1640, then the chronology gets a bit short (though not
prohibitively so) for a man bapt. 1622/3 and not immigrating with
family.
taf
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Gjest
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Vicki,
Most recently, Clifford Stott has written about this family in, I think, The Genealogist. This was within the last five years or so, if I recall correctly. Vere Woodman published on the family's origins in 1959 in the Register,and Moriarity has a brief note in the Register in 1956, both supplementing and correcting Col. Chester's work.
Dave Morehouse
Hopkins, MN
Most recently, Clifford Stott has written about this family in, I think, The Genealogist. This was within the last five years or so, if I recall correctly. Vere Woodman published on the family's origins in 1959 in the Register,and Moriarity has a brief note in the Register in 1956, both supplementing and correcting Col. Chester's work.
Dave Morehouse
Hopkins, MN
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Vickie Elam White
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote in message
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<snipped>
Forgot to address this bit. I doubt Henry was actually a
subscriber to the Woburn town orders in 1640, even though
his name is on the list. It is probable that his name was
added at a later date, so that birthdate in itself isn't really
a problem.
Vickie Elam White
news:42cd99c5@news.ColoState.EDU...
<snipped>
Certainly if the dates you give are accurate - if he was in
Charlestown before 1640, then the chronology gets a bit
short (though not prohibitively so) for a man bapt. 1622/3
and not immigrating with family.
Forgot to address this bit. I doubt Henry was actually a
subscriber to the Woburn town orders in 1640, even though
his name is on the list. It is probable that his name was
added at a later date, so that birthdate in itself isn't really
a problem.
Vickie Elam White
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
DMMorehous@aol.com wrote:
Just to save Vickie some time, these two address the origins of the
Bucks Baldwin family, and specifically address the ancestry, immediate
and remote, of Richard Baldwin, the great-grandfather of immigrant
Sylvester, and hence will not help with respect to the immediate origin
of Henry.
taf
Vicki,
Vere Woodman published on the family's origins in 1959 in the Register,and Moriarity has a brief note in the Register in 1956, both supplementing and correcting Col. Chester's work.
Just to save Vickie some time, these two address the origins of the
Bucks Baldwin family, and specifically address the ancestry, immediate
and remote, of Richard Baldwin, the great-grandfather of immigrant
Sylvester, and hence will not help with respect to the immediate origin
of Henry.
taf
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: English Origins of Henry Baldwin of Woburn, MA
Now that I am home I can address the question more fully. It looks like
the identification originated with C. C. Baldwin. In his Baldwin
Supplement (1889), he says of the family of Richard and Phillippa:
"Mr Chester found no traces of these children in England, and his search
was so remarkably thorough and successful that it makes it probable that
the sons, at least, emigrated to to America. There was a Richard
Baldwin in Braintree, Mass., 1637. His name appears only in Winthrop's
History of New England, Vol. 2, p. 348. He had a daughter Jane of some
age. He appears no more in New England, and if this one (which I think
probable) returned to England, where his wife died 1641. I think it
probable that he was father of John, of Billerica and Henry of Woburn,
both of whome appear hereafter. John and Henry both married in Woburn.
They lived at some distance from each other, but Henry was witness to
John's will in 1686. The Baldwins of Billerica, descendants of John,
write: "We always supposed John and Henry were brothers." By tradition
reduced to writing in 1738 by a great-grandson of John, he was from
Hertordshire, which would seem to identify him with the family of
Baldwins which was in both counties near the adjoining border."
(the original work, 1881, gives a similar but less detailed paragraph)
In discussing Henry, later, he says:
"If he was the subscriber in 1640, it is hardly probable he was the
Henry on page 45 [taf - the son of Richard], who had a brother John and
a sister jane and father, Richard."
he then discusses a possible alternative - in a list of servants of
Capt. John Mason in NH, appears a Henry Baldwin. Mason's London will
names "Bettrice Baldwyn" in a context that would suggest she is a sister
or near kinswoman.
Curously, in the original, he discusses that Henry's family record a
tradition of Devonshire origin, as did John of B, but in the John of B
family the Hertford origin seems the older.
FWIW, I note that John D Baldwin's "A Record of the Descendants of John
Baldwin of Stonington . . . " (1880) suggests that Henry and John of B
are kin, then identifies John of B as arriving on the Speedwell in 1656,
aged 21, which would put his birth a full 20 years later than John, son
of Richard and Philippa. As his first child was born in 1659, this 1635
birthdate is certainly more likely than a 1614/5 one. (His wife is
given a 1638 birth.) Henry married in 1649, which is a better match for
the 1622/3 bapt. typically given him.
taf
the identification originated with C. C. Baldwin. In his Baldwin
Supplement (1889), he says of the family of Richard and Phillippa:
"Mr Chester found no traces of these children in England, and his search
was so remarkably thorough and successful that it makes it probable that
the sons, at least, emigrated to to America. There was a Richard
Baldwin in Braintree, Mass., 1637. His name appears only in Winthrop's
History of New England, Vol. 2, p. 348. He had a daughter Jane of some
age. He appears no more in New England, and if this one (which I think
probable) returned to England, where his wife died 1641. I think it
probable that he was father of John, of Billerica and Henry of Woburn,
both of whome appear hereafter. John and Henry both married in Woburn.
They lived at some distance from each other, but Henry was witness to
John's will in 1686. The Baldwins of Billerica, descendants of John,
write: "We always supposed John and Henry were brothers." By tradition
reduced to writing in 1738 by a great-grandson of John, he was from
Hertordshire, which would seem to identify him with the family of
Baldwins which was in both counties near the adjoining border."
(the original work, 1881, gives a similar but less detailed paragraph)
In discussing Henry, later, he says:
"If he was the subscriber in 1640, it is hardly probable he was the
Henry on page 45 [taf - the son of Richard], who had a brother John and
a sister jane and father, Richard."
he then discusses a possible alternative - in a list of servants of
Capt. John Mason in NH, appears a Henry Baldwin. Mason's London will
names "Bettrice Baldwyn" in a context that would suggest she is a sister
or near kinswoman.
Curously, in the original, he discusses that Henry's family record a
tradition of Devonshire origin, as did John of B, but in the John of B
family the Hertford origin seems the older.
FWIW, I note that John D Baldwin's "A Record of the Descendants of John
Baldwin of Stonington . . . " (1880) suggests that Henry and John of B
are kin, then identifies John of B as arriving on the Speedwell in 1656,
aged 21, which would put his birth a full 20 years later than John, son
of Richard and Philippa. As his first child was born in 1659, this 1635
birthdate is certainly more likely than a 1614/5 one. (His wife is
given a 1638 birth.) Henry married in 1649, which is a better match for
the 1622/3 bapt. typically given him.
taf