"... what a ghastly impression ..." !!!

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Rebecca

"... what a ghastly impression ..." !!!

Legg inn av Rebecca » 07 jul 2005 18:50:59

I joined this list a few days ago in the hopes of receiving help in
sorting out some of the ambiguous ancestry in my family trees.
Instead, what I find is a bunch of little boys engaged in a "mine's
bigger than yours" contest. For those of you involved in perpetuating
this petty crap I will use a quote from one of you:

"Hopefully one day you will realise what a ghastly impression you give [new list members]."


And THIS comment is totally uncalled for:

"Light in the loafers too?"

It has nothing to do with anything I have read in the digests I have
received and only serves to further the denigration of a gentle and
loving people whose lives are none of your business.

I will stick around for a while, but be assured, I won't be asking any
questions until it looks like everyone is acting like civil adults
again.

What a disappointment.

Rebecca

Douglas Richardson royala

Good karma for the newsgroup

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 07 jul 2005 19:27:30

Dear Rebecca ~

Thank you for your good post.

Rather than complain about the bad poster boys of the newsgroup,
perhaps you can share something of value yourself and see how it goes.
Ditto everyone else who hangs around here for free information. Give
something, and just maybe it will come back to you. That's good karma,
and it's also good for the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Frank Bullen

Re: "... what a ghastly impression ..." !!!

Legg inn av Frank Bullen » 07 jul 2005 20:16:01

Dear Rebecca

Very well said! If only some of the less immature listers would realize
that the ONLY way to stop the infantile backchat is to totally ignore the
barbs thrust at them by these egotistical, intelectually and emotionally
deprived individuals. While I appreciate how frustrating it might be for
somerone like Peter Stewart to ignore his tormentors, every time he responds
he feeds their inflated egos.

It is the responses that their pitiful minds need. Deprived of those, even
they will eventually throw in the towel.

Oh! How I wish someone had the time to set up and run a monitered List that
would ban this sort of stupidity.

Regards

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebecca" <RLT46gem@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: "... what a ghastly impression ..." !!!


I joined this list a few days ago in the hopes of receiving help in
sorting out some of the ambiguous ancestry in my family trees.
Instead, what I find is a bunch of little boys engaged in a "mine's
bigger than yours" contest. For those of you involved in perpetuating
this petty crap I will use a quote from one of you:

"Hopefully one day you will realise what a ghastly impression you give
[new list members]."


And THIS comment is totally uncalled for:

"Light in the loafers too?"

It has nothing to do with anything I have read in the digests I have
received and only serves to further the denigration of a gentle and
loving people whose lives are none of your business.

I will stick around for a while, but be assured, I won't be asking any
questions until it looks like everyone is acting like civil adults
again.

What a disappointment.

Rebecca

Peter Stewart

Re: "... what a ghastly impression ..." !!!

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 07 jul 2005 23:44:14

""Frank Bullen"" <fwbullen@discoverymail.co.za> wrote in message
news:004801c5831f$cdb408c0$710b27c4@frankd2gjvbg9y...
Dear Rebecca

Very well said! If only some of the less immature listers would realize
that the ONLY way to stop the infantile backchat is to totally ignore the
barbs thrust at them by these egotistical, intelectually and emotionally
deprived individuals. While I appreciate how frustrating it might be
for somerone like Peter Stewart to ignore his tormentors, every time he
responds he feeds their inflated egos.

It is the responses that their pitiful minds need. Deprived of those,
even they will eventually throw in the towel.

Oh! How I wish someone had the time to set up and run a monitered List
that would ban this sort of stupidity.

I fully understand this point of view, Frank, but I can't agree.

When I first joined SGM, the behaviour of Hines was less vile, senseless &
incivilised than it is today, when he presumes to know for instance that my
poor arithmetic is not a life-long deficiency and announces that it must
date only from an accident, about the effects of which he can know nothing
anyway. This turned around becuase people let him get away with jibes,
disdaining or in many cases fearing to answer his insults. He took, and
still takes, silence as a sign of respect for his imaginary powers as a
satirist & controversialist. His follies ought to be pointed up, one by one.
When this happens, as with deponent verbs, the meaning of "dayne", etc, he
reacts with absurd violence, and people can then see unmistakably that he is
sick as well as silly.

Some of the same applies to Brandon, who is even sillier but not quite as
sick on a good day. He is easily reduced to infantile bluster about
vomiting, that no-one can possibly take for a piece of wit or ascendancy in
argument.

Mike Welch just gets carried away, and needs a sharp reminder of this from
time to time.

If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts, the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Peter Stewart

Douglas Richardson royala

Peter Stewart's outbursts

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 jul 2005 00:12:34

Peter Stewart wrote:
If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts, the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Peter Stewart

We'll be sure to remember this, Peter, the next time you have one of
your own tempermental outbursts. In the meantime, you need to
apologize to Dr. David Kelley, FASG, for the abusive remarks you made
about him in your last outburst. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual, who
is undeserving of your contempt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson royala

An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 jul 2005 00:46:42

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
A rough translation of a Dutch proverb " Beware the fox that preaches"
Talking about apologies, when do you apologise to me?

Dear Leo ~

Perhaps you have forgotten that I apologized to you for my remarks
about Abbe Dupont and his work, Cahiers de Saint Louis. Perhaps you
have forgotten my apology, even as you have remembered your Dutch
proverb.

Now, Peter Stewart is in the same spot. He owes an apology to Dr.
David Kelley, FASG. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual for whom many of
us have a great deal of respect. Peter's comments about him were
abusive. Calling Dr. Kelley an "idiot" and "Tweedledum" was quite
unnecessary.

You do agree, don't you, Leo?

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Peter Stewart's outbursts


Peter Stewart wrote:

If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts,
the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make
sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Peter Stewart

We'll be sure to remember this, Peter, the next time you have one of
your own tempermental outbursts. In the meantime, you need to
apologize to Dr. David Kelley, FASG, for the abusive remarks you made
about him in your last outburst. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual, who
is undeserving of your contempt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


Leo van de Pas

Re: Peter Stewart's outbursts

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 08 jul 2005 01:28:01

A rough translation of a Dutch proverb " Beware the fox that preaches"
Talking about apologies, when do you apologise to me?

----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Peter Stewart's outbursts


Peter Stewart wrote:

If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts,
the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make
sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Peter Stewart

We'll be sure to remember this, Peter, the next time you have one of
your own tempermental outbursts. In the meantime, you need to
apologize to Dr. David Kelley, FASG, for the abusive remarks you made
about him in your last outburst. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual, who
is undeserving of your contempt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


Peter Stewart

Re: Peter Stewart's outbursts

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 08 jul 2005 02:00:30

I wrote:

If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts, the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Douglas Richardson replied:

We'll be sure to remember this, Peter, the next time you have one
of your own tempermental outbursts. In the meantime, you need to
apologize to Dr. David Kelley, FASG, for the abusive remarks you
made about him in your last outburst. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual,
who is undeserving of your contempt.

Ho hum....

Like Brandon and Hines you are wrongly assuming that temperament must
be involved, just because you feel a sting at the other end, whereas I
don't have to get riled at all to insult a deserving target: the
vehement tone of my responses to falsehood & inanity comes not from
momentary impulse, but as a result of deliberation.

You haven't offered ANY defense of Kelley, merely asserting that he is
a fine individual because he helped you. Does this mean that your
delusional infallibility rubbed off onto him?

I made several disparaging remarks about him, and no-one has yet tried
to refute the basis of these.

Kelley published a tissue of nonsense about one of the most celebrated
figures of the medieval peiod, leading countless readers of AR to
suppose that they could be descendants of Godfrey de Bouillon. Nothing
worse has been done in medieval genealogy for many decades, as far as
I'm aware, unless it is the cumulative horror of _Royalty for
Commoners_ (issued by your own publisher, although Hines still thinks
that GPC is a highly reputable firm). He made NO attempt to check the
sources or the vast literature that would have shown him in unequivocal
terms the impossibility (way beyond mere implausibility) of his case,
from every angle. Instead of this, garbed in the authority of his
professorship ("This text supplied by Prof. David H. Kelley"), he chose
to denigrate as "linguistically naive" those who had simply and
modestly got the matter right.

WHY does this not deserve contempt?

It's by no means the only time Kelley has made a great fool of himself:
try his ill-considered speculation about a royal ancestry for Earl
Godwine in 'The House of Aethelred', _Studies in Genealogy and Family
History in Tribute to Charles Evans..._ (Salt Lake City, 1989).

I'm certainly not going to apologise to someone who has repeatedly
committed such careless blunders, much less on the strength of your
fiat. By the way, your own collusion in this particular farrago of
incompetence - at least by silence over years about your alleged
endorsement of the "data" - has yet to be explained.

Hardly edifying for the newsgroup then to find you once again whining
about an apology suppposedly due to your esteemed colleague Tweedledum.

Peter Stewart

Leo

Re: An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Leo » 08 jul 2005 02:13:02

I believe I have asked you to apologise several times in the past but I
remember only one apology, but the past is the past. What I am talking about
is your hectoring and bullying about the error you found on my website not
having been corrected fast enough. I know you have a website, do you have a
page with corrections and additions about your book? How -fast- do you
activate that?

I do not involve myself in what Peter Stewart has said, but I do remember he
qualified his remarks and if they are correct his observations could well be
correct.

----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: An apology is an apology is an apology


"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
A rough translation of a Dutch proverb " Beware the fox that preaches"
Talking about apologies, when do you apologise to me?

Dear Leo ~

Perhaps you have forgotten that I apologized to you for my remarks
about Abbe Dupont and his work, Cahiers de Saint Louis. Perhaps you
have forgotten my apology, even as you have remembered your Dutch
proverb.

Now, Peter Stewart is in the same spot. He owes an apology to Dr.
David Kelley, FASG. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual for whom many of
us have a great deal of respect. Peter's comments about him were
abusive. Calling Dr. Kelley an "idiot" and "Tweedledum" was quite
unnecessary.

You do agree, don't you, Leo?

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Peter Stewart's outbursts


Peter Stewart wrote:

If more people made a practice of speaking up against these outbursts,
the
weight of humiliation for Hines and his like would eventually become
unbearable, and they would shut up or depart. He needs more than mere
attention, he needs to feel he has won a contest. The only way to make
sure
he can't thrive in this perversion is to engage, and if necessary to
persevere.

Peter Stewart

We'll be sure to remember this, Peter, the next time you have one of
your own tempermental outbursts. In the meantime, you need to
apologize to Dr. David Kelley, FASG, for the abusive remarks you made
about him in your last outburst. Dr. Kelley is a fine individual, who
is undeserving of your contempt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net




Douglas Richardson royala

Re: An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 jul 2005 06:36:22

"Leo" wrote:
I believe I have asked you to apologise several times in the past but I
remember only one apology, but the past is the past. What I am talking about
is your hectoring and bullying about the error you found on my website not
having been corrected fast enough.

Dear Leo ~

The newsgroup members all appreciate the time and effort you put into
your database. Ditto Ian Fettes. Your database is quite helpful. We
also appreciate your willingness to make corrections. Keep up the good
work!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 jul 2005 07:04:20

"Leo" wrote:
Is this your kind of apology after your bullying and hectoring for it taking
so long?
Well, grace, like humour, is not your forte.

Dear Leo ~

You're supposed to say "you're quite welcome, Douglas," not render
another insult. This could be why I seldom complement you.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: Peter Stewart's outbursts

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 08 jul 2005 07:39:39

Peter Stewart wrote:
You haven't offered ANY defense of Kelley, merely asserting that he is
a fine individual because he helped you. Does this mean that your
delusional infallibility rubbed off onto him?

I made several disparaging remarks about him, and no-one has yet tried
to refute the basis of these.

Peter Stewart

Dear Peter ~

Perhaps it's time that someone besides me refuted your unfortunate
remarks about Dr. Kelley.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Leo

Re: An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Leo » 08 jul 2005 07:52:01

Is this your kind of apology after your bullying and hectoring for it taking
so long?
Well, grace, like humour, is not your forte.

----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: An apology is an apology is an apology


"Leo" wrote:
I believe I have asked you to apologise several times in the past but I
remember only one apology, but the past is the past. What I am talking
about
is your hectoring and bullying about the error you found on my website
not
having been corrected fast enough.

Dear Leo ~

The newsgroup members all appreciate the time and effort you put into
your database. Ditto Ian Fettes. Your database is quite helpful. We
also appreciate your willingness to make corrections. Keep up the good
work!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


Peter Stewart

Re: Peter Stewart's outbursts

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 08 jul 2005 07:58:51

Douglas Richardson wrote:

Dear Peter ~

Perhaps it's time that someone besides me refuted your unfortunate
remarks about Dr. Kelley.

That's another preposterous & deliberate misrepresentation, of course -
you haven't even once remotely TRIED to "refute" my charges, you have
simply complained about them and by implication denied them, asserting
without rationale that the man deserves better. If you haven't the
courage or competence to defend Kelley, why complain about the attack
on him? This is specific, but your response is not.

And what kind of credit do you expect to gain for him or yourself by
ceremoniously passing on a torch that you have studiously NOT LIT?

This is just about the dumbest and crudest evasive squirm that I can
recall, even from you.

Peter Stewart

Leo

Re: An apology is an apology is an apology

Legg inn av Leo » 08 jul 2005 08:21:01

Sorry, a description is not an apology.

----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: An apology is an apology is an apology


"Leo" wrote:
Is this your kind of apology after your bullying and hectoring for it
taking
so long?
Well, grace, like humour, is not your forte.

Dear Leo ~

You're supposed to say "you're quite welcome, Douglas," not render
another insult. This could be why I seldom complement you.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


D. Spencer Hines

Apologies

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 08 jul 2005 08:22:47

Dear Leo,

Do you realize you are becoming a parody of yourself?

DSH

""Leo"" <leo@home.netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:003801c58384$fa088030$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

| Sorry, a description is not an apology.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:04 PM
| Subject: Re: An apology is an apology is an apology
|
| > "Leo" wrote:
| >> Is this your kind of apology after your bullying and hectoring for
it
| >> taking
| >> so long?
| >> Well, grace, like humour, is not your forte.
| >
| > Dear Leo ~
| >
| > You're supposed to say "you're quite welcome, Douglas," not render
| > another insult. This could be why I seldom complement you.
| >
| > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
| >
| > Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Leo

Re: Apologies

Legg inn av Leo » 08 jul 2005 09:17:02

Continually throwing mud is not wiped away with an insincere put on charm,
without regret it is not an apology. And he has not said, even insincerely,
that he regrets demanding from me what he himself is not prepaired to give.

The same dishonesty can be found in his carrying on about Prof. Kelley.
Peter Stewart says "Kelley did A and B wrongly"
Richardson "But he is such a wonderful man, I demand an apology"
What Richardson should do is debunk Peter Stewart's claims---then he could
demand an apology.

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:22 PM
Subject: Apologies


Dear Leo,

Do you realize you are becoming a parody of yourself?

DSH

""Leo"" <leo@home.netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:003801c58384$fa088030$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

| Sorry, a description is not an apology.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <royalancestry@msn.com
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:04 PM
| Subject: Re: An apology is an apology is an apology
|
| > "Leo" wrote:
| >> Is this your kind of apology after your bullying and hectoring for
it
| >> taking
| >> so long?
| >> Well, grace, like humour, is not your forte.
|
| > Dear Leo ~
|
| > You're supposed to say "you're quite welcome, Douglas," not render
| > another insult. This could be why I seldom complement you.
|
| > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
|
| > Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


Peter Stewart

Re: Apologies

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 08 jul 2005 09:17:52

""Leo"" <leo@home.netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:004e01c5838c$e4e06b20$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
Continually throwing mud is not wiped away with an insincere put on charm,
without regret it is not an apology. And he has not said, even
insincerely, that he regrets demanding from me what he himself is not
prepaired to give.

The same dishonesty can be found in his carrying on about Prof. Kelley.
Peter Stewart says "Kelley did A and B wrongly"
Richardson "But he is such a wonderful man, I demand an apology"
What Richardson should do is debunk Peter Stewart's claims---then he could
demand an apology.

Then he would get one.

Peter Stewart

fairthorne

Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av fairthorne » 08 jul 2005 16:02:01

Hi Folks

A bit outside the range of this newsgroup, some news which I meant to pass
on a month ago but forgot.
Now it has been mentioned in the press and is up and running

http://www.pase.ac.uk

is a database of every single Anglo-Saxon person mentioned in contemporary
records

It is the product of a collaboration with KCL (King's College London) and
Cambridge, and received a grant of £500,000 from the Arts and Humanities
Research Board

Full article about it is in current Times Higher Education Supplement (8
July page 9)

Would be interested to hear what you all think of it, and if no one objects
I'll pass the polite comments (of course all comments in this newsgroup are
polite) to Jinty Nelson. Genealogy was not a use they had in mind when
designing the database so it do everything we'd like.

Cheers

Simon

(who by coincidence lectures part-time at KCL, but in Maths not History)

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 09 jul 2005 00:33:21

Dora Smith wrote:
How are you supposed to search it for a name if you don't know exactly how
the name was spelled? I don't see a browse feature, and there is no
capacity for a soundex search.

On the Help page, they include sections on how to use person, source,
location, and office indexes, and the screen captures make these appear
to be exactly what you are looking for, so I suggest giving the help
page a good read.

http://www.pase.ac.uk/content/database/help.html

taf

Dora Smith

Re: Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 09 jul 2005 01:18:01

How are you supposed to search it for a name if you don't know exactly how
the name was spelled? I don't see a browse feature, and there is no
capacity for a soundex search.

How am I supposed to know how the ancestors of people named Raymond spelled
their name in 1100?

There should also be a way to see all the people listed for a given place...
since in all probability, these people weren't called Raymond at all!

I've done my best to be polite.... no swear words... no ... heck...

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "fairthorne" <fairthorne@breathe.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: Anglo-Saxon web site


Hi Folks

A bit outside the range of this newsgroup, some news which I meant to pass
on a month ago but forgot.
Now it has been mentioned in the press and is up and running

http://www.pase.ac.uk

is a database of every single Anglo-Saxon person mentioned in contemporary
records

It is the product of a collaboration with KCL (King's College London) and
Cambridge, and received a grant of £500,000 from the Arts and Humanities
Research Board

Full article about it is in current Times Higher Education Supplement (8
July page 9)

Would be interested to hear what you all think of it, and if no one
objects
I'll pass the polite comments (of course all comments in this newsgroup
are
polite) to Jinty Nelson. Genealogy was not a use they had in mind when
designing the database so it do everything we'd like.

Cheers

Simon

(who by coincidence lectures part-time at KCL, but in Maths not History)

Chris Phillips

Re: Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 09 jul 2005 08:57:38

Dora Smith wrote:
How are you supposed to search it for a name if you don't know exactly how
the name was spelled? I don't see a browse feature, and there is no
capacity for a soundex search.

How am I supposed to know how the ancestors of people named Raymond
spelled
their name in 1100?

There should also be a way to see all the people listed for a given
place...
since in all probability, these people weren't called Raymond at all!


When the instructions refer to indexes listed on the top bar of the "Home
Page", they actually mean the page you get to by following the link
"Database Home" on the left hand side of the main page. (The URL seems to be
http://eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk:8080/pase/index.jsp.) Then you can browse through
lists of names and places for each initial letter.

Personally I don't see why the links to these indexes shouldn't be on the
main page proper as well. There's just a black space there at the moment ...

Chris Phillips

Ginny Wagner

RE: Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 09 jul 2005 10:44:01

FWIW,

When I use the locations tab then click on the left frame index letter +A, I
get:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

type Exception report

message

description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it
from fulfilling this request.

exception

org.apache.jasper.JasperException
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:
372)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:292)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:236)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)


root cause

java.lang.NullPointerException
org.apache.jsp.locations.manageLocationList_jsp._jspService(manageLocationL
ist_jsp.java:52)
org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:94)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:
324)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:292)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:236)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)


note The full stack trace of the root cause is available in the Apache
Tomcat/5.0.28 logs.


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in the left frame.

If I search from the search window at the top for Alcuin I get him and when
I click on the + I get the relevant information.

When I select index persons and then the letter A, I get a list of names
with + signs in the left frame which, if I click, I once again get the same
error 500.

When I choose view all women I get the index of women/girls in the left
frame. When I click on a name, I get a factoid list with + signs by
recorded name, status, event and a number in paren; however, when I click on
the + sign for detail the screen jumps as if trying to perform the onclick
event but never cascades open resulting in the same summary information
being shown on screen.

When I use Chris' link and choose occupation the index opens in the left
frame -- once again, when I choose one of them, I get the same error 500
above.

When I choose Sources get the index of sources in left frame, when I click
one I get the same error 500.

I clicked Edward the Elder on the page Chris hyperlinked and got the info on
him. The Factoids failed to open when I clicked the +. I clicked on
another name in the left frame and got the same error. Went back to Chris'
page and clicked Aethelred this time and got his list of factoids that
failed to open. And, once again, clicking any name in the left frame got
the same error.

When I try the linked persons, I chose anony 6 in the first and anony 2 in
the second person and clicked on search. I got who person 1 was and who
person 2 was and a message of no factoids, these people are not linked.
Please try again.

When I chose Offa 6 and Aethelwald 17 I got a table of Factoids with
'documents' at the left. When I click on the document(s) I get a new table
with scholarly info and list of primary, secondary. I tried clicking on
Aldhelm 3 and got another screen of factoids with + signs and the factoids
linked indirectly (that brought me there) were open with a - and under
education, authorship, etc with + signs that would not open.

The database is very impressive -- it will truly be awesome once the bug(s)
is(are) fixed.

Ginny Wagner

Dora Smith

Re: Anglo-Saxon web site

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 09 jul 2005 14:40:02

I expected a link to where to go to browse, a link for locality, and a link
on the search page for approximate spellings. Silly logical me.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon web site


Dora Smith wrote:
How are you supposed to search it for a name if you don't know exactly
how
the name was spelled? I don't see a browse feature, and there is no
capacity for a soundex search.

On the Help page, they include sections on how to use person, source,
location, and office indexes, and the screen captures make these appear
to be exactly what you are looking for, so I suggest giving the help
page a good read.

http://www.pase.ac.uk/content/database/help.html

taf

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