I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
A relative has posted on his website information derived from someone
else's private website to the effect that the name "Harry" could have
been derived from "Harold", rather than from "Henry". I have checked
half a dozen or so reference works on names and they all give "Harry"
as the regular medieval English pronounciation of "Henry" and no
mention therein of "Harold". I reckon that the website my relative has
used (which I have looked up and which gives no sources for this claim)
is wrong but I wanted to confirm this before writing to my relative.
Can anyone advise on this please. The website concerned also lists
variants of Harold as including "Araldo, Aralt, Aroldo, Arry, Garald,
Garold, Hal, Harry, Herrick, and Herryck. (and that) Walter is (a)
related name".
OT: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
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Chris Phillips
Re: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
dunsland@yahoo.com wrote:
It was certainly the view of Vicary Gibbs (Complete Peerage, volume 3,
Appendix C, "Some Observations of Mediaeval Names"), that Harry was the
English form of the name Henry.
Chris Phillips
I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
A relative has posted on his website information derived from someone
else's private website to the effect that the name "Harry" could have
been derived from "Harold", rather than from "Henry". I have checked
half a dozen or so reference works on names and they all give "Harry"
as the regular medieval English pronounciation of "Henry" and no
mention therein of "Harold".
It was certainly the view of Vicary Gibbs (Complete Peerage, volume 3,
Appendix C, "Some Observations of Mediaeval Names"), that Harry was the
English form of the name Henry.
Chris Phillips
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Gjest
Re: OT: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
In a message dated 6/6/05 1:59:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dunsland@yahoo.com writes:
I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
Tell me about Humphrey and Henry. Are they related names?
Jno
dunsland@yahoo.com writes:
I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
Tell me about Humphrey and Henry. Are they related names?
Jno
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: OT: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
Thank you for your good post.
In answer to your specific question, Harold is an entirely separate and
distinct name from Henry/Harry.
The name Harry was originally a nickname for the given name, Henry.
It's actually one of the few nicknames that occur in medieval records.
Other medieval English nicknames I've noticed are Colin (for Nicholas),
Colette (for Nichole), and Robin (for Robert). You usually find these
nicknames being employed for underaged minors. Harry, on the other
hand, was also used for adult males.
Besides this small handful of nicknames, I've noticed that Margaret and
Margery were interchangeable in the medieval period. It's possible
that Margery was a nickname for Margaret, much like Harry was the
nickname for Henry. If so, Margery eventually came into its own as a
given name just as Harry has.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
dunsland@yahoo.com wrote:
In answer to your specific question, Harold is an entirely separate and
distinct name from Henry/Harry.
The name Harry was originally a nickname for the given name, Henry.
It's actually one of the few nicknames that occur in medieval records.
Other medieval English nicknames I've noticed are Colin (for Nicholas),
Colette (for Nichole), and Robin (for Robert). You usually find these
nicknames being employed for underaged minors. Harry, on the other
hand, was also used for adult males.
Besides this small handful of nicknames, I've noticed that Margaret and
Margery were interchangeable in the medieval period. It's possible
that Margery was a nickname for Margaret, much like Harry was the
nickname for Henry. If so, Margery eventually came into its own as a
given name just as Harry has.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
dunsland@yahoo.com wrote:
I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
A relative has posted on his website information derived from someone
else's private website to the effect that the name "Harry" could have
been derived from "Harold", rather than from "Henry". I have checked
half a dozen or so reference works on names and they all give "Harry"
as the regular medieval English pronounciation of "Henry" and no
mention therein of "Harold". I reckon that the website my relative has
used (which I have looked up and which gives no sources for this claim)
is wrong but I wanted to confirm this before writing to my relative.
Can anyone advise on this please. The website concerned also lists
variants of Harold as including "Araldo, Aralt, Aroldo, Arry, Garald,
Garold, Hal, Harry, Herrick, and Herryck. (and that) Walter is (a)
related name".
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: OT: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
dunsland@yahoo.com wrote:
Harold and Henry (Heinrich) are of different origins, but Harry has been
used for each.
taf
I am just wondering if anyone can settle an argument for me.
Are "Harold" and "Harry/Henry" historically related names?
Harold and Henry (Heinrich) are of different origins, but Harry has been
used for each.
taf
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Chris Phillips
Re: OT: Harolds, Harrys and Henrys
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Gibbs goes further than this. He says (p. 598) that Harry was the usual form
of the name in the Middle Ages, citing as evidence that "Before Hen. VII the
name Henry appeared almost invariably in the form "Harry" or "Herry" in
English Privy Seals. (ex inform. A. E. Stamp)." Later (p. 621) he adds that
"in Scots vernacular writs Hary or Harry is general if not universal".
Chris Phillips
The name Harry was originally a nickname for the given name, Henry.
It's actually one of the few nicknames that occur in medieval records.
Other medieval English nicknames I've noticed are Colin (for Nicholas),
Colette (for Nichole), and Robin (for Robert). You usually find these
nicknames being employed for underaged minors. Harry, on the other
hand, was also used for adult males.
Gibbs goes further than this. He says (p. 598) that Harry was the usual form
of the name in the Middle Ages, citing as evidence that "Before Hen. VII the
name Henry appeared almost invariably in the form "Harry" or "Herry" in
English Privy Seals. (ex inform. A. E. Stamp)." Later (p. 621) he adds that
"in Scots vernacular writs Hary or Harry is general if not universal".
Chris Phillips