How to spell Telles de Meneses?

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Leo van de Pas

How to spell Telles de Meneses?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 06 jun 2005 01:31:01

Is it Téllez de Menezes, Telles de Menezes?

I stumbles across a Portuguese Queen (no it did not hurt) Leonor Telles de Meneses and I had not known any details about her, but what a fascinating character. Ferdinand I 'the Handsome', King of Portugal fell in love with her and married her. Never mind she was married and her husband very much alive and they definitely were not divorced.

After several years Leonor and the King had only one surviving daughter. In the meantime, the king's half-brother fell in love with Leonor's sister and secretly had married her. The king appears to have been sickly and Leonor feared that her daughter might be passed over for the popular half-brother of the king, making her sister Queen of Portugal once her husband had died. She then tells her brother-in-law that he would make a better chance if he was married to her daughter instead of her sister. The half-brother then murders his wife, but he is _forgiven_ but forced to leave the country. Then Leonor marries her daughter to the king of Castile but stipulates that when her husband dies she will be the regent of Portugal. The king dies but the Portuguese don't like her nor her lover (!) the Count of Ourem (what is his proper name?) and murder him and dirve her from Lisbon. She is then joined by her son-in-law but soon they quarrel and Leonor attempts to poison her son-in-law.!
He finds out and locks her up in a convent. In the meantime another half-brother of her husband becomes King of Portugal instead. Talking about complicated, but interesting!. Can anyone help with the spelling of Leonors family name and who was the Conde de Ourem?

Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia.

José Carlos de la Garza T

Re: How to spell Telles de Meneses?

Legg inn av José Carlos de la Garza T » 06 jun 2005 01:31:02

Leo,

I hope not to confuse the issue further but I have come across the name
Tello while doing research on medieval Galicia. I have also seen it
associated with the house of Meneses. Tellez would be proper use denoting
son of Tello. So, it would seem logical to write Tellez de Meneses -
HOWEVER, it all depends on who was writing/transcribing the specific
document you were reading. btw - the accent over the first "e" in Tellez is
implied in spanish, therefore not written.

Best regards,

José Carlos de la Garza Taméz

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Is it Téllez de Menezes, Telles de Menezes?

I stumbles across a Portuguese Queen (no it did not hurt) Leonor Telles de
Meneses and I had not known any details about her, but what a fascinating
character. Ferdinand I 'the Handsome', King of Portugal fell in love with
her and married her. Never mind she was married and her husband very much
alive and they definitely were not divorced.

After several years Leonor and the King had only one surviving daughter.
In the meantime, the king's half-brother fell in love with Leonor's sister
and secretly had married her. The king appears to have been sickly and
Leonor feared that her daughter might be passed over for the popular
half-brother of the king, making her sister Queen of Portugal once her
husband had died. She then tells her brother-in-law that he would make a
better chance if he was married to her daughter instead of her sister. The
half-brother then murders his wife, but he is _forgiven_ but forced to
leave the country. Then Leonor marries her daughter to the king of Castile
but stipulates that when her husband dies she will be the regent of
Portugal. The king dies but the Portuguese don't like her nor her lover
(!) the Count of Ourem (what is his proper name?) and murder him and dirve
her from Lisbon. She is then joined by her son-in-law but soon they
quarrel and Leonor attempts to poison her son-in-law.!
He finds out and locks her up in a convent. In the meantime another
half-brother of her husband becomes King of Portugal instead. Talking
about complicated, but interesting!. Can anyone help with the spelling of
Leonors family name and who was the Conde de Ourem?

Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia.

F.Tavares de Almeida

Re: How to spell Telles de Meneses?

Legg inn av F.Tavares de Almeida » 06 jun 2005 09:26:07

Tellez is definetely spanish.
Telles is the ancient spelling, Teles the actual.
The same for Menezes, ancient, and Meneses actual but some very
traditional families still use Menezes nowadays.
You can write Teles de Meneses, or the ancient Telles de Menezes
better not
Telles de Meneses or Teles de Menezes.
Anyhow she was commonly known and actually referred only as Leonor
Teles.

The 2nd Count of Ourém (Ourém still has an handsome castle and is near
Fátima the known Sanctuary of Our Lady od Fátima) was João Fernandes
Andeiro, a Gallician noble who became a favourite of King Ferdinand
(Rei Dom Fernando) and latter the queen's lover.
I don't know his parentage.
He was murdered (or executed) in December, 6th, 1383 by the Master of
the Order of Aviz, latter King John I.
Generaly hated by the people, his relation to the Quenn was a matter
of scandal to the Court, and he had escaped five attempts of murder
before. One of the instigators of the murder was João Afonso, the
Queen's own brother who thought the relation dishonorouble to his
family.

If you will try a google search with the "João Fernandes Andeiro" you
will find a lot to read ..., in portuguese.

Regards
Francisco Tavares de Almeida
(Portugal)




leovdpas@netspeed.com.au ("Leo van de Pas") wrote in message news:<009401c56a27$354af1e0$c3b4fea9@email>...
Is it Téllez de Menezes, Telles de Menezes?

I stumbles across a Portuguese Queen (no it did not hurt) Leonor Telles de Meneses and I had not known any details about her, but what a fascinating character. Ferdinand I 'the Handsome', King of Portugal fell in love with her and married her. Never mind she was married and her husband very much alive and they definitely were not divorced.

After several years Leonor and the King had only one surviving
daughter. In the meantime, the king's half-brother fell in love with

Leonor's sister and secretly had married her. The king appears to have
been sickly and Leonor feared that her daughter might be passed over
for the popular half-brother of the king, making her sister Queen of
Portugal once her husband had died. She then tells her brother-in-law
that he would make a better chance if he was married to her daughter
instead of her sister. The half-brother then murders his wife, but he
is _forgiven_ but forced to leave the country. Then Leonor marries her
daughter to the king of Castile but stipulates that when her husband
dies she will be the regent of Portugal. The king dies but the
Portuguese don't like her nor her lover (!) the Count of Ourem (what
is his proper name?) and murder him and dirve her from Lisbon. She is
then joined by her son-in-law but soon they quarrel and Leonor
attempts to poison her son-in-law.!
He finds out and locks her up in a convent. In the meantime another half-brother of her husband becomes King of Portugal instead. Talking about complicated, but interesting!. Can anyone help with the spelling of Leonors family name and who was the Conde de Ourem?

Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia.

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