Rodrigo de Villandrado, 1.Conde de Ribabeo living in the 14th century married Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga. I know only one daughter, Maria de Villandrado married to Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Conde de Salinas.
By Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga I found the remark "mulatta", but no parents were mentioned.
What would they mean with Mulatta? Would anyone know more about her, when she was born, died, married? Who were her parents and what made her a mulatta?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
a Mulatta in medieval Spain
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José Carlos de la Garza T
Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
Leo,
There was a very interesting thread on Beatríz' origins a few years back on
this board. You may find it very useful to read the following thread:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1044346166
Best regards,
J Carlos de la Garza Taméz
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:01b301c569af$e6ab33a0$c3b4fea9@email...
There was a very interesting thread on Beatríz' origins a few years back on
this board. You may find it very useful to read the following thread:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1044346166
Best regards,
J Carlos de la Garza Taméz
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:01b301c569af$e6ab33a0$c3b4fea9@email...
Rodrigo de Villandrado, 1.Conde de Ribabeo living in the 14th century
married Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga. I know only one daughter, Maria de
Villandrado married to Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Conde de Salinas.
By Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga I found the remark "mulatta", but no
parents were mentioned.
What would they mean with Mulatta? Would anyone know more about her, when
she was born, died, married? Who were her parents and what made her a
mulatta?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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José Carlos de la Garza T
Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
Dear readers,
Another reader on this newsgroup replied privately that perhaps Leo wanted
to know what was meant by the term "Mulatta". In Hispanic American research
of the XVI - XVIII centuries, the following castes are most often
encountered:
Español: Born in Spain or America.
Indio: Indian. Also referred to as Natural.
Negro: African slave.
Mestizo: child of Indian and Spaniard.
Castizo: Mestizo and Spaniard.
Coyote: Mestizo and Indian.
Chamizo torna atrás: Indian and Coyote.
Mulato: Negro and Spaniard.
Morisco: Mulato and Spaniard.
Albino: Morisco and Spaniard.
Torna atrás: Albino and Spaniard.
Torna atrás tente en el aire: Torna Atrás and Spaniard.
Chino: Indian and Mulato.
Albarazado: Mulato and Chino.
Barcino: Mulato and Albarazado.
Torna atrás negro con pelo lacio: Mulato and Barcino.
Zambo (also referred to as lobo): Negro and Indian.
jc
"José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ltydndym8tw8iD7fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Another reader on this newsgroup replied privately that perhaps Leo wanted
to know what was meant by the term "Mulatta". In Hispanic American research
of the XVI - XVIII centuries, the following castes are most often
encountered:
Español: Born in Spain or America.
Indio: Indian. Also referred to as Natural.
Negro: African slave.
Mestizo: child of Indian and Spaniard.
Castizo: Mestizo and Spaniard.
Coyote: Mestizo and Indian.
Chamizo torna atrás: Indian and Coyote.
Mulato: Negro and Spaniard.
Morisco: Mulato and Spaniard.
Albino: Morisco and Spaniard.
Torna atrás: Albino and Spaniard.
Torna atrás tente en el aire: Torna Atrás and Spaniard.
Chino: Indian and Mulato.
Albarazado: Mulato and Chino.
Barcino: Mulato and Albarazado.
Torna atrás negro con pelo lacio: Mulato and Barcino.
Zambo (also referred to as lobo): Negro and Indian.
jc
"José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ltydndym8tw8iD7fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Leo,
There was a very interesting thread on Beatríz' origins a few years back
on this board. You may find it very useful to read the following thread:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1044346166
Best regards,
J Carlos de la Garza Taméz
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:01b301c569af$e6ab33a0$c3b4fea9@email...
Rodrigo de Villandrado, 1.Conde de Ribabeo living in the 14th century
married Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga. I know only one daughter, Maria de
Villandrado married to Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Conde de Salinas.
By Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga I found the remark "mulatta", but no
parents were mentioned.
What would they mean with Mulatta? Would anyone know more about her, when
she was born, died, married? Who were her parents and what made her a
mulatta?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Leo
Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
Many thanks for this. Yes, I did want to know. I was also after the meaning
of the word Moor, according to my dictionary a Moor is someone from
Mauretania in Northern Africa. According to the same dictionary a mulatto is
the offspring of a Negro and a European.
Which brings me back to Beatriz de Zuniga. Someone steered me to the Roglo
website and there I found her parents :
Diego Lopez de Zuniga, Senor de Monterrey died after 1464, and
Elvira de Biedma, 4.Senora de Biedma died before 1435
I am sure we should not apply the strict rule that a Mulatto _must_ be half
white half black, a quarter (or even less) should do. In this case where
would the coloured ancestry come from? Roglo also gives the parensand
grandparents of Diego Lopez de Zuniga but nothing on Elvira de Biedma. But
if Elvira is the 4th holding that title, surely her parents should be
recorded somewhere? I would love to know more ancestors, of course, but I
also would love to know more biographical details about Beatriz de Zuniga
and her parents.
With many thanks for the response.
Leos
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From: "José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
of the word Moor, according to my dictionary a Moor is someone from
Mauretania in Northern Africa. According to the same dictionary a mulatto is
the offspring of a Negro and a European.
Which brings me back to Beatriz de Zuniga. Someone steered me to the Roglo
website and there I found her parents :
Diego Lopez de Zuniga, Senor de Monterrey died after 1464, and
Elvira de Biedma, 4.Senora de Biedma died before 1435
I am sure we should not apply the strict rule that a Mulatto _must_ be half
white half black, a quarter (or even less) should do. In this case where
would the coloured ancestry come from? Roglo also gives the parensand
grandparents of Diego Lopez de Zuniga but nothing on Elvira de Biedma. But
if Elvira is the 4th holding that title, surely her parents should be
recorded somewhere? I would love to know more ancestors, of course, but I
also would love to know more biographical details about Beatriz de Zuniga
and her parents.
With many thanks for the response.
Leos
----- Original Message -----
From: "José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
Dear readers,
Another reader on this newsgroup replied privately that perhaps Leo wanted
to know what was meant by the term "Mulatta". In Hispanic American
research
of the XVI - XVIII centuries, the following castes are most often
encountered:
Español: Born in Spain or America.
Indio: Indian. Also referred to as Natural.
Negro: African slave.
Mestizo: child of Indian and Spaniard.
Castizo: Mestizo and Spaniard.
Coyote: Mestizo and Indian.
Chamizo torna atrás: Indian and Coyote.
Mulato: Negro and Spaniard.
Morisco: Mulato and Spaniard.
Albino: Morisco and Spaniard.
Torna atrás: Albino and Spaniard.
Torna atrás tente en el aire: Torna Atrás and Spaniard.
Chino: Indian and Mulato.
Albarazado: Mulato and Chino.
Barcino: Mulato and Albarazado.
Torna atrás negro con pelo lacio: Mulato and Barcino.
Zambo (also referred to as lobo): Negro and Indian.
jc
"José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ltydndym8tw8iD7fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Leo,
There was a very interesting thread on Beatríz' origins a few years back
on this board. You may find it very useful to read the following thread:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1044346166
Best regards,
J Carlos de la Garza Taméz
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:01b301c569af$e6ab33a0$c3b4fea9@email...
Rodrigo de Villandrado, 1.Conde de Ribabeo living in the 14th century
married Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga. I know only one daughter, Maria de
Villandrado married to Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Conde de Salinas.
By Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga I found the remark "mulatta", but no
parents were mentioned.
What would they mean with Mulatta? Would anyone know more about her,
when
she was born, died, married? Who were her parents and what made her a
mulatta?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
"Leo" wrote:
Technically, I believe, the "Moors" were Berber tribesmen. When you
have the opportunity, listen to traditional Berber music. Except for
the language, it is very similar to Flamenco.
There was a great deal of intermarriage between Berbers, Black Africans
and Europeans within the Spanish system. Unlike the British, the
Spanish believed that mixing the races would strengthen the population.
In Spanish colonies, the system described in detail by the previous
poster used these definitions in a way that did not necessarily refer
to biological "race". For instance, in Alta California anyone who was
not purely European could buy a certificate of whiteness for 500
reales. Early governors of California under Mexican administration did
exactly this. It is estimated that more than 20% of the Spanish
colonial forces in North America were African and/or Berber in full or
in part. My father's tribe, the Hopi in Arizona, say that the first
"white man" they ever met was "Black" - Estavanico, co-leader of the
expedition of Cabeza de Vaca. He was a Black African. There are some
African American families today in the Southwest and in California who
trace their ancestry to the Spanish colonies and not to English
slavery. - Bronwen
Roglo also gives the parensand
Many thanks for this. Yes, I did want to know. I was also after the meaning
of the word Moor, according to my dictionary a Moor is someone from
Mauretania in Northern Africa.
Technically, I believe, the "Moors" were Berber tribesmen. When you
have the opportunity, listen to traditional Berber music. Except for
the language, it is very similar to Flamenco.
I am sure we should not apply the strict rule that a Mulatto _must_ be half
white half black, a quarter (or even less) should do. In this case where
would the coloured ancestry come from?
There was a great deal of intermarriage between Berbers, Black Africans
and Europeans within the Spanish system. Unlike the British, the
Spanish believed that mixing the races would strengthen the population.
In Spanish colonies, the system described in detail by the previous
poster used these definitions in a way that did not necessarily refer
to biological "race". For instance, in Alta California anyone who was
not purely European could buy a certificate of whiteness for 500
reales. Early governors of California under Mexican administration did
exactly this. It is estimated that more than 20% of the Spanish
colonial forces in North America were African and/or Berber in full or
in part. My father's tribe, the Hopi in Arizona, say that the first
"white man" they ever met was "Black" - Estavanico, co-leader of the
expedition of Cabeza de Vaca. He was a Black African. There are some
African American families today in the Southwest and in California who
trace their ancestry to the Spanish colonies and not to English
slavery. - Bronwen
Roglo also gives the parensand
grandparents of Diego Lopez de Zuniga but nothing on Elvira de Biedma. But
if Elvira is the 4th holding that title, surely her parents should be
recorded somewhere? I would love to know more ancestors, of course, but I
also would love to know more biographical details about Beatriz de Zuniga
and her parents.
With many thanks for the response.
Leos
----- Original Message -----
From: "José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: a Mulatta in medieval Spain
Dear readers,
Another reader on this newsgroup replied privately that perhaps Leo wanted
to know what was meant by the term "Mulatta". In Hispanic American
research
of the XVI - XVIII centuries, the following castes are most often
encountered:
Español: Born in Spain or America.
Indio: Indian. Also referred to as Natural.
Negro: African slave.
Mestizo: child of Indian and Spaniard.
Castizo: Mestizo and Spaniard.
Coyote: Mestizo and Indian.
Chamizo torna atrás: Indian and Coyote.
Mulato: Negro and Spaniard.
Morisco: Mulato and Spaniard.
Albino: Morisco and Spaniard.
Torna atrás: Albino and Spaniard.
Torna atrás tente en el aire: Torna Atrás and Spaniard.
Chino: Indian and Mulato.
Albarazado: Mulato and Chino.
Barcino: Mulato and Albarazado.
Torna atrás negro con pelo lacio: Mulato and Barcino.
Zambo (also referred to as lobo): Negro and Indian.
jc
"José Carlos de la Garza Taméz" <cdelagar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ltydndym8tw8iD7fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Leo,
There was a very interesting thread on Beatríz' origins a few years back
on this board. You may find it very useful to read the following thread:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1044346166
Best regards,
J Carlos de la Garza Taméz
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:01b301c569af$e6ab33a0$c3b4fea9@email...
Rodrigo de Villandrado, 1.Conde de Ribabeo living in the 14th century
married Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga. I know only one daughter, Maria de
Villandrado married to Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Conde de Salinas.
By Beatriz (Theresa) de Zuniga I found the remark "mulatta", but no
parents were mentioned.
What would they mean with Mulatta? Would anyone know more about her,
when
she was born, died, married? Who were her parents and what made her a
mulatta?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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