What Ever Happened to Parr?

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Sam Sloan

What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Sam Sloan » 28 mai 2005 02:55:35

On Aug 14 2003 at 1:55 AM Larry Parr wrote:

Here is the fifth-grade exam on the Tudors and Stuarts.

There was a page showing the Tudor and Stuart family trees as they
intertwined. The kids had to fill in the following names: Henry VII,
Elizabeth of York, Henry VIII (his six wives: Catherine of Aragon, Anne
Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves [Henry thought her an ugly dog], Catherine
Howard [she thought Henry a fat dog], and Catherine Parr [the best of the
lot

In all of my reading about scandals involving Parr, it never occurred
to me that there might be a connection here.

As just about everybody knows, Catherine Parr was the last wife of
King Henry VIII. King Henry VIII had six wives. He either executed or
divorced most of them. Marrying King Henry VIII was dangerous
business. He had his second wife, Anne Boleyn, beheaded because he
believed that she had committed adultery. Modern historians believe
that this accusation was probably true. On the other hand, Henry VIII
had a subsequent wife, Catherine Howard, executed on the charge that
she had had sexual intercourse with men BEFORE she had married Henry
VIII. Catherine Howard and the three men she was accused of having
slept with were all executed.

Next came Catherine Parr. There were several odd things about this
marriage. One was that Catherine Parr had already been married twice.
Another was that she had an active lover, Thomas Seymour. Why would a
woman in her position be willing to marry a wife-killer like Henry
VIII?

However, Catherine Parr agreed to the marriage. She said that Henry
VIII was sick and might die soon. Perhaps she had a plan. She turned
out to be right. Henry VIII did die soon and only three months later
Catherine Parr married her lover, Thomas Seymour. As she was the
dowarger queen, her uncle became the ruler of England, because the
actual king, Edward VII, was just a young boy.

A daughter, Mary Parr Seymour, was born of the marriage between
Catherine Parr and Thomas Seymour. However, Catherine Parr died on 5
September 1548, only six days after her daughter, Mary Parr Seymour,
was born.

http://www.anusha.com/pafg719.htm#25838

Mary Parr Seymour is known to have lived for at least two years after
her mother died. Thereafter she disappeared from history. Nobody knows
what happened to her. Some say that she must have died at age 2.
Others say that she was put into hiding, and later married, had a
child and never revealed her true identity.

If that is what happened, she certainly had good reasons. Shortly
after Catherine Parr died in childbirth, her husband, the father of
Mary, was arrested and executed by her uncle, Edward Seymour. Then,
after King Edward VI died in 1553, Edward Seymour had Lady Jane Grey
installed as Queen. Lady Jane Grey only lasted nine days. "Bloody
Mary" rode into town, had Lady Jane Grey and Edward Seymour arrested
and put into the Tower of London. They were all eventually executed.
Lady Jane Grey was only 17 years ago when she was executed.

It was about this time that Mary Parr Seymour disappeared. She was
still a small child. Surely, she was a threat but there is no record
of her having died. She was just lost to history.

So, Larry Parr, tell us: Whatever happened to Mary Parr? Was Mary Parr
your ggggggrandmother? If you can prove that, I will honor you by
putting you into my Royal Family of Europe Family Tree.

Sam Sloan
http://www.anusha.com/pafg719.htm#25838
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/aboutCatherineParr.htm

parrthenon@cs.com

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av parrthenon@cs.com » 28 mai 2005 06:36:58

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.

parrthenon@cs.com

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av parrthenon@cs.com » 28 mai 2005 06:37:22

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.

Chris Phillips

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 28 mai 2005 10:39:40

Sam Sloan wrote:
A daughter, Mary Parr Seymour, was born of the marriage between
Catherine Parr and Thomas Seymour. However, Catherine Parr died on 5
September 1548, only six days after her daughter, Mary Parr Seymour,
was born.
....
Mary Parr Seymour is known to have lived for at least two years after
her mother died. Thereafter she disappeared from history. Nobody knows
what happened to her. Some say that she must have died at age 2.
Others say that she was put into hiding, and later married, had a
child and never revealed her true identity.

There was a little discussion of this in a thread last June, entitled "Mary
Seymour".

"Others" is apparently the Victorian writer Agnes Strickland, relying on an
18th-century tradition.

Complete Peerage xi 639 note c says that Mary was restored in blood by Act
of Parliament 22 January 1549/50, and died in infancy after 17 March the
same year, when the Privy Council issued a warrant to the Receiver of Wards
for nearly £500 for the expenses of her household for a year and a half.
(References are given for the restoration and the warrant, but not for her
death.)

If that is what happened, she certainly had good reasons. Shortly
after Catherine Parr died in childbirth, her husband, the father of
Mary, was arrested and executed by her uncle, Edward Seymour. Then,
after King Edward VI died in 1553, Edward Seymour had Lady Jane Grey
installed as Queen. Lady Jane Grey only lasted nine days. "Bloody
Mary" rode into town, had Lady Jane Grey and Edward Seymour arrested
and put into the Tower of London. They were all eventually executed.
Lady Jane Grey was only 17 years ago when she was executed.

But Mary's reign was still well over three years away when Mary Seymour was
last mentioned. Are we really meant to believe that someone spirited away
the 18-month-old daughter of the late queen dowager, and first cousin to the
king - whom the king had been keeping in some style - and that never a word
was said about it?

Chris Phillips

Michael W Cook

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 28 mai 2005 14:01:01

On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "parrthenon@cs.com"
<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

martin reboul

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av martin reboul » 28 mai 2005 15:05:31

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "parrthenon@cs.com"
parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

A point here perhaps, concerning such 'family heirlooms'....

I see little point in keeping such things in a safety deposit box. They should
be treasured and seen (maybe even worn if you can find the shoes that go with
them?)

You have to ask yourself - "why are they valuable?"

Such items are of financial 'value', because collectors and museums will pay
good money for them, but that isn't their real 'value'... that lies in their
history, they are a 'curiousity' if you like.

IMO, such curiousities are truly worthless (and pointless) if they aren't
*enjoyed* by someone. Locked away, they may as well not exist, and all they do
for you is cost you a fee to keep them safe.

Things like that should preferably be displayed in a museum, so they can be seen
and enjoyed by everyone. They will still be 'yours' in a way, as you can go and
see them whenever you fancy, and they will also be secure (hopefully!) and be
available to everyone as a bonus. You will be able to use the cash for anything
you wish, and still say "those belonged to my great great uncle Horatio..." or
whatever, if you wish.

As it is, they do nobody any good where they are (and I daresay that from what I
know of Nelson, he wouldn't mind at all - he rather liked publicity!)

"Flog 'em and lash out on some fancy baubles my dear" he might well say... ahem!

Cheers
Martin

a.spencer3

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av a.spencer3 » 28 mai 2005 15:27:17

"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
"parrthenon@cs.com"
parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance
policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

A point here perhaps, concerning such 'family heirlooms'....

I see little point in keeping such things in a safety deposit box. They
should
be treasured and seen (maybe even worn if you can find the shoes that go
with
them?)

You have to ask yourself - "why are they valuable?"

Such items are of financial 'value', because collectors and museums will
pay
good money for them, but that isn't their real 'value'... that lies in
their
history, they are a 'curiousity' if you like.

IMO, such curiousities are truly worthless (and pointless) if they aren't
*enjoyed* by someone. Locked away, they may as well not exist, and all
they do
for you is cost you a fee to keep them safe.

Things like that should preferably be displayed in a museum, so they can
be seen
and enjoyed by everyone. They will still be 'yours' in a way, as you can
go and
see them whenever you fancy, and they will also be secure (hopefully!) and
be
available to everyone as a bonus. You will be able to use the cash for
anything
you wish, and still say "those belonged to my great great uncle
Horatio..." or
whatever, if you wish.

As it is, they do nobody any good where they are (and I daresay that from
what I
know of Nelson, he wouldn't mind at all - he rather liked publicity!)

"Flog 'em and lash out on some fancy baubles my dear" he might well say...
ahem!


But Nelson wasn't a great flogger, was he?

Surreyman
Hundreds of trivia quizzes on History (and much else) on
http://www.sploofus.com/?ref=surreyman

martin reboul

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av martin reboul » 28 mai 2005 15:49:47

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"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
"parrthenon@cs.com"
parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance
policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

A point here perhaps, concerning such 'family heirlooms'....

I see little point in keeping such things in a safety deposit box. They
should
be treasured and seen (maybe even worn if you can find the shoes that go
with
them?)

You have to ask yourself - "why are they valuable?"

Such items are of financial 'value', because collectors and museums will
pay
good money for them, but that isn't their real 'value'... that lies in
their
history, they are a 'curiousity' if you like.

IMO, such curiousities are truly worthless (and pointless) if they aren't
*enjoyed* by someone. Locked away, they may as well not exist, and all
they do
for you is cost you a fee to keep them safe.

Things like that should preferably be displayed in a museum, so they can
be seen
and enjoyed by everyone. They will still be 'yours' in a way, as you can
go and
see them whenever you fancy, and they will also be secure (hopefully!) and
be
available to everyone as a bonus. You will be able to use the cash for
anything
you wish, and still say "those belonged to my great great uncle
Horatio..." or
whatever, if you wish.

As it is, they do nobody any good where they are (and I daresay that from
what I
know of Nelson, he wouldn't mind at all - he rather liked publicity!)

"Flog 'em and lash out on some fancy baubles my dear" he might well say...
ahem!


But Nelson wasn't a great flogger, was he?

Not publicly, no.

Michael W Cook

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 28 mai 2005 18:20:02

On 28/5/05 3:05 pm, in article 42987a99_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "parrthenon@cs.com"
parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

A point here perhaps, concerning such 'family heirlooms'....

I see little point in keeping such things in a safety deposit box. They should
be treasured and seen (maybe even worn if you can find the shoes that go with
them?)

You have to ask yourself - "why are they valuable?"

Such items are of financial 'value', because collectors and museums will pay
good money for them, but that isn't their real 'value'... that lies in their
history, they are a 'curiousity' if you like.

IMO, such curiousities are truly worthless (and pointless) if they aren't
*enjoyed* by someone. Locked away, they may as well not exist, and all they do
for you is cost you a fee to keep them safe.

Things like that should preferably be displayed in a museum, so they can be
seen
and enjoyed by everyone. They will still be 'yours' in a way, as you can go
and
see them whenever you fancy, and they will also be secure (hopefully!) and be
available to everyone as a bonus. You will be able to use the cash for
anything
you wish, and still say "those belonged to my great great uncle Horatio..." or
whatever, if you wish.

As it is, they do nobody any good where they are (and I daresay that from what
I
know of Nelson, he wouldn't mind at all - he rather liked publicity!)

"Flog 'em and lash out on some fancy baubles my dear" he might well say...
ahem!

Cheers
Martin


I totally agree with you, Martin.

It's clearly a valuable piece if original, but what's the point of having
such an item if nobody can enjoy it.

Flog it I say, then treat yourself to a few bottles of the finest bubbly to
toast Horatio's health on Trafalgar Day.

Rick Eaton

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Rick Eaton » 28 mai 2005 20:01:01

But, but, but...

If you do decide to dispose of your buckles or any other historical
artifacts or ephemera, be sure that you identify a reputable dealer or, in
this case, major auction house.

How does one keep a dealer honest? By getting an appraisal (You will pay a
fee, of course) by a reputable appraiser. This is the only way you will
learn the financial value of the buckles and how much you should get from a
dealer or at aution.

Remember, a dealer will want to add a substantial mark-up and will pay you
less. Often, you will do better at an auction where you will likely want to
place a reserve on the items.

Been there. Done that. Learned the hard way to be successful.

Rick


"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 28/5/05 6:37 am, in article
1117258642.120771.232210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "parrthenon@cs.com"
parrthenon@cs.com> wrote:

Dear Sam,

I don't know my family tree hardly at all. We have Lord Nelson's
silver shoe buckles in a safe deposit box as a kind of insurance policy
for a rainy day. We are related to him through the Collards in our
family who made the Collard and Collard Sons pianos. But how the
relations work, I honestly don't know.



Do you have any proof they are Nelson's shoe buckles ?

If you do, now is the time to be selling them if you are ever going to,
especially with all the interest in him at the moment.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2347383.stm

A point here perhaps, concerning such 'family heirlooms'....

I see little point in keeping such things in a safety deposit box. They should
be treasured and seen (maybe even worn if you can find the shoes that go with
them?)

You have to ask yourself - "why are they valuable?"

Such items are of financial 'value', because collectors and museums will pay
good money for them, but that isn't their real 'value'... that lies in their
history, they are a 'curiousity' if you like.

IMO, such curiousities are truly worthless (and pointless) if they aren't
*enjoyed* by someone. Locked away, they may as well not exist, and all they do
for you is cost you a fee to keep them safe.

Things like that should preferably be displayed in a museum, so they can be
seen
and enjoyed by everyone. They will still be 'yours' in a way, as you can go
and
see them whenever you fancy, and they will also be secure (hopefully!) and be
available to everyone as a bonus. You will be able to use the cash for
anything
you wish, and still say "those belonged to my great great uncle Horatio..." or
whatever, if you wish.

As it is, they do nobody any good where they are (and I daresay that from what
I
know of Nelson, he wouldn't mind at all - he rather liked publicity!)

"Flog 'em and lash out on some fancy baubles my dear" he might well say...
ahem!

Cheers
Martin










John Steele Gordon

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av John Steele Gordon » 28 mai 2005 22:38:07

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 14 2003 at 1:55 AM Larry Parr wrote:

He had his second wife, Anne Boleyn, beheaded because he
believed that she had committed adultery. Modern historians believe
that this accusation was probably true.

What modern historians so believe? Anne Boleyn was many things, but stupid
wasn't one of them (unlike Catherine Howard, who in today's parlance was an
air head). I don't think even Henry thought her guilty of adultery. He
simply wanted her out of the way and adultery (treason under English law
then and now) was a convenient charge. One of the men accused of having
carnal knowledge of her, after all, was her own brother, Lord Rocheford.
This is, to put it mildly, highly unlikely.

On the other hand, Henry VIII
had a subsequent wife, Catherine Howard, executed on the charge that
she had had sexual intercourse with men BEFORE she had married Henry
VIII. Catherine Howard and the three men she was accused of having
slept with were all executed.

I think only two of them were executed, Dereham and Culpeper, and both of
them were also accused (not entirely without reason apparently) of having
had carnal knowledge of the queen subsequent to her marriage to the king.
But Parliament also passed a bill making it treason for an unchaste woman to
marry the king.

JSG

Jeff

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Jeff » 28 mai 2005 22:59:00

"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in
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But Parliament also passed a bill making it treason for an
unchaste woman to marry the king.


I wonder if that is one of the old laws that was never
repealed and is still theoretically in force ???

Wouldn't that be interesting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gjest

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 mai 2005 01:01:01

Dear Jeff,
I would have serious doubts that the law concerning
unchaste women marrying the King survived even Catherine Howard by much, sa of
course Katherine Parr was twice widowed, though I don`t believe She had any
surviving children and was apparently in love with Henry VIII`s brother-in-law
Thomas Seymour, brother to the late Queen Jane Seymour who was King Edward VI`s
mother. Incidently, Edward VI apparently grew into quite a piece of work, for
all that He died a teenager. Rather like James VI, He was both quite learned
and equally opinionated. He considered Mary a bastard because of the Catholic
belief that One should not marry the brother of a spouse and Elizabeth a
bastard because her mother was considered a whore and not lawfully joined in
marriage. So, with his two sisters both by the wayside, young Lady Jane Gray was next
in line for the crown, her father was Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk, a great
grandson of Elizabeth Wydville, wife of John Grey, Baron Ferrers of Groby and of
King Edward IV of England. her mother being Frances Brandon, daughter of
Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk by Mary Tudor, Henry VIII`s sister BXP p 250.
Edward VI was largely raised by protestants and may in fact have been England`s
only puritan King.
Sincerely,
James W
Cummings
Dixmont, Maine
USA

Angelo DePalma

Re: What Ever Happened to Parr?

Legg inn av Angelo DePalma » 29 mai 2005 05:42:19

I have a cunning plan, sir.

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 14 2003 at 1:55 AM Larry Parr wrote:

Here is the fifth-grade exam on the Tudors and Stuarts.

There was a page showing the Tudor and Stuart family trees as
they
intertwined. The kids had to fill in the following names: Henry VII,
Elizabeth of York, Henry VIII (his six wives: Catherine of Aragon, Anne
Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves [Henry thought her an ugly dog],
Catherine
Howard [she thought Henry a fat dog], and Catherine Parr [the best of the
lot

In all of my reading about scandals involving Parr, it never occurred
to me that there might be a connection here.

As just about everybody knows, Catherine Parr was the last wife of
King Henry VIII. King Henry VIII had six wives. He either executed or
divorced most of them. Marrying King Henry VIII was dangerous
business. He had his second wife, Anne Boleyn, beheaded because he
believed that she had committed adultery. Modern historians believe
that this accusation was probably true. On the other hand, Henry VIII
had a subsequent wife, Catherine Howard, executed on the charge that
she had had sexual intercourse with men BEFORE she had married Henry
VIII. Catherine Howard and the three men she was accused of having
slept with were all executed.

Next came Catherine Parr. There were several odd things about this
marriage. One was that Catherine Parr had already been married twice.
Another was that she had an active lover, Thomas Seymour. Why would a
woman in her position be willing to marry a wife-killer like Henry
VIII?

However, Catherine Parr agreed to the marriage. She said that Henry
VIII was sick and might die soon. Perhaps she had a plan. She turned
out to be right. Henry VIII did die soon and only three months later
Catherine Parr married her lover, Thomas Seymour. As she was the
dowarger queen, her uncle became the ruler of England, because the
actual king, Edward VII, was just a young boy.

A daughter, Mary Parr Seymour, was born of the marriage between
Catherine Parr and Thomas Seymour. However, Catherine Parr died on 5
September 1548, only six days after her daughter, Mary Parr Seymour,
was born.

http://www.anusha.com/pafg719.htm#25838

Mary Parr Seymour is known to have lived for at least two years after
her mother died. Thereafter she disappeared from history. Nobody knows
what happened to her. Some say that she must have died at age 2.
Others say that she was put into hiding, and later married, had a
child and never revealed her true identity.

If that is what happened, she certainly had good reasons. Shortly
after Catherine Parr died in childbirth, her husband, the father of
Mary, was arrested and executed by her uncle, Edward Seymour. Then,
after King Edward VI died in 1553, Edward Seymour had Lady Jane Grey
installed as Queen. Lady Jane Grey only lasted nine days. "Bloody
Mary" rode into town, had Lady Jane Grey and Edward Seymour arrested
and put into the Tower of London. They were all eventually executed.
Lady Jane Grey was only 17 years ago when she was executed.

It was about this time that Mary Parr Seymour disappeared. She was
still a small child. Surely, she was a threat but there is no record
of her having died. She was just lost to history.

So, Larry Parr, tell us: Whatever happened to Mary Parr? Was Mary Parr
your ggggggrandmother? If you can prove that, I will honor you by
putting you into my Royal Family of Europe Family Tree.

Sam Sloan
http://www.anusha.com/pafg719.htm#25838
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/aboutCatherineParr.htm

Jürgen R.

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Jürgen R. » 29 mai 2005 13:43:50

On 28 May 2005 19:54:26 -0700, "parrthenon@cs.com" <parrthenon@cs.com>
wrote:

We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today. I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Don't do that - it's much better to continue believing such trash is
both genuine and valuable than to sell for $37.50.

Incidentally don't buy a certificate that says that he wore these
buckles when he was killed because there is such a pair on prominent
display adorning the Nelson effigy in Westminster Abbey. Better to get
them certified as the ones he was born with.

-- Larry Parr

martin reboul

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av martin reboul » 29 mai 2005 15:31:19

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today. I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that terrible
battle anyway!
Cheers
Martin

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 29 mai 2005 17:21:02

On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price, but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

martin reboul

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av martin reboul » 30 mai 2005 00:30:24

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that
terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price, but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905... never looked (or went) back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his engraved
trepanning set..

Cheers
Martin

Kathy

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Kathy » 30 mai 2005 09:18:37

In article <429a5088_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
<martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> writes


Snip bits about Nelson and Hood
Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905...

Does this make him the oldest practising Doctor ever?

never looked (or went) back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his engraved
trepanning set..

Can think of a few people here I'd like to try it out on :-}

On a more serious note, as the History co-ordinator for the school I
need to think seriously about what to do next term. Only problem is, I
don't know what manner of, or how many, cherubs we will have in October
- don't want to book a trip out only to find we have a lot of
absconders! Pity they closed HMS Ganges, could have taken them down
there and made them climb the mast :-}}
--
Kathy

a.spencer3

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av a.spencer3 » 30 mai 2005 16:05:52

"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be
at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling
prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time
than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year
in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will
soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that
terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price,
but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest
Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain
James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and
was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905... never looked (or went)
back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal
Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his
engraved
trepanning set..


Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

Surreyman
Hundreds of trivia quizzes on History (and much else) on
http://www.sploofus.com/?ref=surreyman

William Black

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av William Black » 30 mai 2005 18:53:50

"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

That's a deeply scary show.

Crap I threw out years ago, or wouldn't have in the house at any price,
seems to be selling at incredible prices when real antiques can be picked up
for pennies.

Well, in the UK anyway. I gather Victorian 'shipping furniture' brings a
good price in the USA...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
Time for tea

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 30 mai 2005 19:01:01

On 30/5/05 4:05 pm, in article kZFme.1756$s25.688@newsfe1-win.ntli.net,
"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be
at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling
prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time
than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year
in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will
soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that
terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price,
but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest
Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain
James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and
was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905... never looked (or went)
back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal
Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his
engraved
trepanning set..


Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

More importantly, have you got his medals ?

Victorian Naval General Service and Campaign Medals go for good money,
especially as some bars were only awarded to one or two ships, which
obviously right away makes them very rare and highly sought after.

Twenty-five years ago you could pick up the standard WWI trio (1914 or
1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal) for virtually nothing,
but since the upsurge of interest in Genealogy many people are trying to
find their old family medals and will pay well over the odds for them.

Being an amateur coin and medal collector/seller, I keep a close eye on
prices and I can tell you the market is very buoyant at the moment.
On-Line auctions like eBay have obviously helped a great deal, especially
for some folk whose nearest dealer could be 40-50 miles away.

Also, the thing eBay have over the auction houses is that you don't have to
pay a 15% premium on the hammer price like you do in a 'Live' auction.

martin reboul

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av martin reboul » 31 mai 2005 05:04:07

"Kathy" <kathy@slipknotland.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tg$zAIAdxsmCFwk6@knotland.demon.co.uk...
In article <429a5088_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> writes


Snip bits about Nelson and Hood

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905...

Does this make him the oldest practising Doctor ever?

Ahem.... I wondered if anyone would spot that deliberate mistake...

never looked (or went) back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his
engraved
trepanning set..

Can think of a few people here I'd like to try it out on :-}

Remarkably similar to the devices used to drill holes for car aerials.... most
un-nerving! I 'restored' it a while ago, and discovered to my horror it had been
used. Fortunately a soft wire brush removed the 'evidence' quite effectively -
I'm hopeful the velvet lining of the box was pretty sterile....

On a more serious note, as the History co-ordinator for the school I
need to think seriously about what to do next term. Only problem is, I
don't know what manner of, or how many, cherubs we will have in October
- don't want to book a trip out only to find we have a lot of
absconders! Pity they closed HMS Ganges, could have taken them down
there and made them climb the mast :-}}

I see a nasty lawsuit looming there - do be careful with the little rascals!
If anyone is watching, anyway....
Cheers
Martin

martin reboul

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av martin reboul » 31 mai 2005 05:11:14

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"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be
at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling
prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time
than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year
in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will
soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that
terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price,
but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest
Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain
James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and
was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905... never looked (or went)
back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal
Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his
engraved
trepanning set..


Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

More importantly, have you got his medals ?

Alas, no. I don't think they dished out many gongs for defecting to the enemy?

Victorian Naval General Service and Campaign Medals go for good money,
especially as some bars were only awarded to one or two ships, which
obviously right away makes them very rare and highly sought after.

Twenty-five years ago you could pick up the standard WWI trio (1914 or
1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal) for virtually nothing,
but since the upsurge of interest in Genealogy many people are trying to
find their old family medals and will pay well over the odds for them.

Being an amateur coin and medal collector/seller, I keep a close eye on
prices and I can tell you the market is very buoyant at the moment.
On-Line auctions like eBay have obviously helped a great deal, especially
for some folk whose nearest dealer could be 40-50 miles away.

Also, the thing eBay have over the auction houses is that you don't have to
pay a 15% premium on the hammer price like you do in a 'Live' auction.

If I ever win one, I will give you first option Michael!

There is a box of old 'family medals' knocking about somewhere at my folks...
must have a look. Also some WWII and WWI naval and army badges. Seems a shame to
leave them sitting in a dusty drawer somewhere.
Cheers
Martin

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 31 mai 2005 21:41:01

On 31/5/05 5:11 am, in article 429be3b8_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

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"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 29/5/05 3:31 pm, in article 4299d210_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com,
"martin reboul" <martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1117335266.046927.147450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
We have a provenance based on which we had a bid
of several thousand dollars back in the mid-1950s that
my father turned down. I really have no idea what
they would be worth today.

They are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

However, when you have several people interested, which there would be
at
this point in time due to the reasons Martin gives below, it'll make the
price go much higher as seen from the estimates and actual selling
prices of
the Nelson stuff shown on the BBC web site link I gave.

Seriously, if you are ever going to sell them, there is no better time
than
now, primarily because of all the extra interest there will be this year
in
Nelson and Trafalgar.

You will have to have good documented proof that they were actually his
buckles though, and the better it is the more likely the price will
soar.

I was thinking of using
them for the kids' college education. Thanks for the
tip, and I will do some surfing to find out when the
best time may be for selling.

Now is the time - the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.

And the 200th year of his death.

Good luck with the sale... better luck than your ancestor had at that
terrible
battle anyway!

I don't know, he may have won the battle and paid the ultimate price,
but it
immortalised his name and he is now regarded as one of the greatest
Brits to
have ever lived.

Of course the Cook family were none too happy at the time, as Captain
James
Cook was knocked off the top spot by Nelson as the most celebrated Brit.

Better off than the Reboul's were back then - my Great (etc.) Grandfather
defected to Admiral Hood in royalist company just before Trafalgar, and
was
setting up a medical practice in Blighty by 1905... never looked (or went)
back.

His frigate, the Topaze, did sterling piratical service in the Royal
Navy...
it's in the blood, treachery and piracy, I'm so proud... still have his
engraved
trepanning set..


Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

More importantly, have you got his medals ?

Alas, no. I don't think they dished out many gongs for defecting to the enemy?

Victorian Naval General Service and Campaign Medals go for good money,
especially as some bars were only awarded to one or two ships, which
obviously right away makes them very rare and highly sought after.

Twenty-five years ago you could pick up the standard WWI trio (1914 or
1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal) for virtually nothing,
but since the upsurge of interest in Genealogy many people are trying to
find their old family medals and will pay well over the odds for them.

Being an amateur coin and medal collector/seller, I keep a close eye on
prices and I can tell you the market is very buoyant at the moment.
On-Line auctions like eBay have obviously helped a great deal, especially
for some folk whose nearest dealer could be 40-50 miles away.

Also, the thing eBay have over the auction houses is that you don't have to
pay a 15% premium on the hammer price like you do in a 'Live' auction.

If I ever win one, I will give you first option Michael!

There is a box of old 'family medals' knocking about somewhere at my folks...
must have a look. Also some WWII and WWI naval and army badges. Seems a shame
to
leave them sitting in a dusty drawer somewhere.
Cheers
Martin


Correction on the above, after checking it was only one or two ships that
were awarded some of the bars for the Victorian Naval General Service Medal,
however, in several cases less than ten bars were issued. This is because
they were the only people who actually claimed them who were entitled to
them. These are obviously worth quite a bit.

Anyway, if and when you do ever dig out your little family 'treasure chest',
and I'd recommend you do while there are people still around in the family
who may be able to tell you something about what there is there, I'll be
more than happy to give you an idea of what anything is worth in the medals
department.

You never know, that old Victorian medal knocking around could reveal a
whole stack of information about old Granddad and could well be worth a
fortune, especially if he served on a ship that was involved in a well known
engagement. There were probably more bars issued for the Victorian NGSM than
any other medal, primarily as the Royal Navy were kicking arse all over the
world as we held onto, and expanded, the Empire.

Go and check some out on eBay, listed under:

Collectables > Militaria > 19th Century (1800-1899) > Medals/Ribbons

There are a few copies on there but plenty of original stuff that is
interesting reading even if you have no intention of buying.

marika

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av marika » 03 jun 2005 00:25:41

"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

i haven't personally but.....it sounds like each of you might be tickled

by it
or tricked by it
who knows

mk5000

"And the brains of men and women have been shown to be quite similar in many
ways. Nevertheless, over the past decade investigators have documented an
astonishing array of structural, chemical and functional variations in the
brains of males and females"--larry cahill

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 03 jun 2005 12:01:02

On 3/6/05 12:25 am, in article
VzMne.11988$uR4.6877@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "marika"
<marika5000@my-deja.com> wrote:

"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

i haven't personally but.....it sounds like each of you might be tickled
by it
or tricked by it
who knows

mk5000

It's a damn good programme actually.

I remember one show from a few years ago when this really scruffy looking
guy in his early 30's came in with several large carrier bags.

As the guy started to get these silver pieces out the expert who was
supposed to identify and give a value on them nearly had a heart attack.
This chap just kept getting out piece after piece of extremely rare early
English silver.

Apparently it all used to belong to this guy's father who had been
collecting since he was a boy. Some of the pieces he had were so rare that
the expert said he had only ever seen a picture of them in a book and
combined, the value of all the stuff he had amounted to several hundred
thousand pounds.

What they had taken to the show was just a selection of their father's
collection and they had even more at home.

That's what I call a result.

William Black

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av William Black » 03 jun 2005 18:12:22

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 3/6/05 12:25 am, in article
VzMne.11988$uR4.6877@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "marika"
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"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

i haven't personally but.....it sounds like each of you might be
tickled
by it
or tricked by it
who knows

mk5000

It's a damn good programme actually.

I remember one show from a few years ago when this really scruffy looking
guy in his early 30's came in with several large carrier bags.

As the guy started to get these silver pieces out the expert who was
supposed to identify and give a value on them nearly had a heart attack.
This chap just kept getting out piece after piece of extremely rare early
English silver.

Apparently it all used to belong to this guy's father who had been
collecting since he was a boy. Some of the pieces he had were so rare that
the expert said he had only ever seen a picture of them in a book and
combined, the value of all the stuff he had amounted to several hundred
thousand pounds.

What they had taken to the show was just a selection of their father's
collection and they had even more at home.

That's what I call a result.

I actually know that guy.


He's a re-enactor and something of an eco-warrior.

He was looking for an old car that fit the image and wouldn't appal the eco
people.

He bought a really nice ex Parachute Regiment V8 petrol rag top Landy.

The man's got style...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
Time for tea

marika

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av marika » 04 jun 2005 02:17:22

"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I actually know that guy.

He's a re-enactor and something of an eco-warrior.

He was looking for an old car that fit the image and wouldn't appal the
eco
people.

He bought a really nice ex Parachute Regiment V8 petrol rag top Landy.

The man's got style...




thansk for the story!

mk5000

"we then progressed to morphing the develolpmental machinery that builds
these biological circuits - a process we call metamorphing"--kwabena boahen

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 04 jun 2005 13:11:02

On 3/6/05 6:12 pm, in article d7q2ve$pj9$1@news.freedom2surf.net, "William
Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 3/6/05 12:25 am, in article
VzMne.11988$uR4.6877@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "marika"
marika5000@my-deja.com> wrote:


"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:kZFme.1756$s25.688@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...



Hey - they're worth, too.
Did you see '20th. Century Antiques Roadshow' Sunday evening?

i haven't personally but.....it sounds like each of you might be
tickled
by it
or tricked by it
who knows

mk5000

It's a damn good programme actually.

I remember one show from a few years ago when this really scruffy looking
guy in his early 30's came in with several large carrier bags.

As the guy started to get these silver pieces out the expert who was
supposed to identify and give a value on them nearly had a heart attack.
This chap just kept getting out piece after piece of extremely rare early
English silver.

Apparently it all used to belong to this guy's father who had been
collecting since he was a boy. Some of the pieces he had were so rare that
the expert said he had only ever seen a picture of them in a book and
combined, the value of all the stuff he had amounted to several hundred
thousand pounds.

What they had taken to the show was just a selection of their father's
collection and they had even more at home.

That's what I call a result.

I actually know that guy.

He's a re-enactor and something of an eco-warrior.

He was looking for an old car that fit the image and wouldn't appal the eco
people.

He bought a really nice ex Parachute Regiment V8 petrol rag top Landy.

The man's got style...

But only about 12 to the gallon from his Rover.

Hardly Eco.

So, do you know what happened to the silver ?

William Black

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av William Black » 04 jun 2005 18:13:16

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BEC7494A.14E00%NuffSpam@hotmail.com...
On 3/6/05 6:12 pm, in article d7q2ve$pj9$1@news.freedom2surf.net, "William
Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:

I actually know that guy.

He's a re-enactor and something of an eco-warrior.

He was looking for an old car that fit the image and wouldn't appal the
eco
people.

He bought a really nice ex Parachute Regiment V8 petrol rag top Landy.

The man's got style...

But only about 12 to the gallon from his Rover.

Hardly Eco.


He gets about 8 to the gallon, but he's got two wing tanks as well as a
tail tank so the eco people only notice that he needs petrol about once a
month. What they don't notice is that he puts about 200 litres in the
thing.

So, do you know what happened to the silver ?

Sold the lot.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
Time for tea

Michael W Cook

Re: Family Heirlooms

Legg inn av Michael W Cook » 04 jun 2005 23:11:01

On 4/6/05 6:13 pm, in article d7snd3$lkk$1@news.freedom2surf.net, "William
Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael W Cook" <NuffSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BEC7494A.14E00%NuffSpam@hotmail.com...
On 3/6/05 6:12 pm, in article d7q2ve$pj9$1@news.freedom2surf.net, "William
Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:

I actually know that guy.

He's a re-enactor and something of an eco-warrior.

He was looking for an old car that fit the image and wouldn't appal the
eco
people.

He bought a really nice ex Parachute Regiment V8 petrol rag top Landy.

The man's got style...

But only about 12 to the gallon from his Rover.

Hardly Eco.


He gets about 8 to the gallon, but he's got two wing tanks as well as a
tail tank so the eco people only notice that he needs petrol about once a
month. What they don't notice is that he puts about 200 litres in the
thing.

About right.

So, do you know what happened to the silver ?

Sold the lot.

He must be worth a fortune, but suppose he can't trade the Rover in for a
spanking new one.

Talking of Eco Vehicles, I saw a stretched Humvee the other day.

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