I've just noticed that there is an entry in the new DNB for Rev. Robert
Craghead, whose wife Agnes is my earliest known matrilineal ancestor,
in a line that begins thus:
--Agnes Hart + Rev. Robert Craighead
--Catherine Craighead + Rev. William Homes of Martha's Vineyard (the
"Parson Homes" whose diary is owned by the NEHGS)
--Margaret Homes + John Allen
--Rebecca Allen + Wilmot Wass
--Sarah Wass + Samuel Osborn
--Sarah Osborn + Charles Skinner
--Polly Skinner + Benjamin Rockwell
and so forth.
The bio. in ODNB mentions that Rev. Craighead married "Agnes, daughter
of the Revd John Hart, minister of Taughboyne."
Is anything further known about Rev. Hart of Taughboyne or his wife?
Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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John Brandon
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
I suppose _Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church, 1613-1840_ (parts 1
and 2 of which appeared in the _Genealogists' Magazine_, 1936-37) might
help.
and 2 of which appeared in the _Genealogists' Magazine_, 1936-37) might
help.
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Gjest
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
In a message dated 17/05/2005 19:15:42 GMT Standard Time,
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
I've just noticed that there is an entry in the new DNB for Rev. Robert
Craghead, whose wife Agnes is my earliest known matrilineal ancestor,
in a line that begins thus:
--Agnes Hart + Rev. Robert Craighead
--Catherine Craighead + Rev. William Homes of Martha's Vineyard (the
"Parson Homes" whose diary is owned by the NEHGS)
--Margaret Homes + John Allen
--Rebecca Allen + Wilmot Wass
--Sarah Wass + Samuel Osborn
--Sarah Osborn + Charles Skinner
--Polly Skinner + Benjamin Rockwell
and so forth.
The bio. in ODNB mentions that Rev. Craighead married "Agnes, daughter
of the Revd John Hart, minister of Taughboyne."
Is anything further known about Rev. Hart of Taughboyne or his wife?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EARLY PRESBYTERIAN MINISTERS IN WEST ULSTER
From: Charles A. Hanna, "The Scotch-Irish: or The Scot in North Britain,
North Ireland, and North America," (New York and London: The Knickerbocker
Press, 1902) pp. 371- 384.
MONREAGH (originally Taboin, or Taughboyne), county Donegal: Robert
Cunningham, 1645 to 1655; John Hart, 1655 to 1685-88; Neil Gray, 1689 to 1715;
William Gray, 1699 to 1721; William Boyd, 1725 to 1772; Patrick Davison, 1776 to
1786; Moses Goorley, 1787 to 1794.
Don't know why there is an overlap in some of these dates, perhaps there
were two minister between 1699-1715 (This is from a transcribe, it may be
worthwhile checking an original copy)
Can't find either MONREAGH nor Taughboyne in my map, but a previous message
to Gen-Med stated that Taughboyne is a few miles SW of the city of
Derry/Londonderry, so it must be close to the Donegal - Derry county boundary
Burke's Landed Gentry (Irish Suppliment)* has family of Hart of Kilderry co
Donegal and of Ballynagard, co Derry. I can't see Rev John Hart, but perhaps
this family is connected
(* not sure of the Burke's edition/date, my copy is missing covers and pages
from front and back)
Also Doe Castle, Creeslough, co Donegal was restored in 18th and 19th
century by a Hart family
regards,
Adrian
starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
I've just noticed that there is an entry in the new DNB for Rev. Robert
Craghead, whose wife Agnes is my earliest known matrilineal ancestor,
in a line that begins thus:
--Agnes Hart + Rev. Robert Craighead
--Catherine Craighead + Rev. William Homes of Martha's Vineyard (the
"Parson Homes" whose diary is owned by the NEHGS)
--Margaret Homes + John Allen
--Rebecca Allen + Wilmot Wass
--Sarah Wass + Samuel Osborn
--Sarah Osborn + Charles Skinner
--Polly Skinner + Benjamin Rockwell
and so forth.
The bio. in ODNB mentions that Rev. Craighead married "Agnes, daughter
of the Revd John Hart, minister of Taughboyne."
Is anything further known about Rev. Hart of Taughboyne or his wife?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EARLY PRESBYTERIAN MINISTERS IN WEST ULSTER
From: Charles A. Hanna, "The Scotch-Irish: or The Scot in North Britain,
North Ireland, and North America," (New York and London: The Knickerbocker
Press, 1902) pp. 371- 384.
MONREAGH (originally Taboin, or Taughboyne), county Donegal: Robert
Cunningham, 1645 to 1655; John Hart, 1655 to 1685-88; Neil Gray, 1689 to 1715;
William Gray, 1699 to 1721; William Boyd, 1725 to 1772; Patrick Davison, 1776 to
1786; Moses Goorley, 1787 to 1794.
Don't know why there is an overlap in some of these dates, perhaps there
were two minister between 1699-1715 (This is from a transcribe, it may be
worthwhile checking an original copy)
Can't find either MONREAGH nor Taughboyne in my map, but a previous message
to Gen-Med stated that Taughboyne is a few miles SW of the city of
Derry/Londonderry, so it must be close to the Donegal - Derry county boundary
Burke's Landed Gentry (Irish Suppliment)* has family of Hart of Kilderry co
Donegal and of Ballynagard, co Derry. I can't see Rev John Hart, but perhaps
this family is connected
(* not sure of the Burke's edition/date, my copy is missing covers and pages
from front and back)
Also Doe Castle, Creeslough, co Donegal was restored in 18th and 19th
century by a Hart family
regards,
Adrian
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John Brandon
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
Thank you Adrian. Sounds like a place to start ...
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John Brandon
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
The page below (from WorldConnect) gives more on Sarah Osborn Skinner's
date of death, which I didn't know...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? ... r&id=I2286
Which goes to show that WorldConnect *is* of some slight value ...
date of death, which I didn't know...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? ... r&id=I2286
Which goes to show that WorldConnect *is* of some slight value ...
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John Brandon
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
(Sorry if some of these quotes don't make sense out of context) --
St. John D. Seymour, _The Puritans in Ireland, 1647-1661_, (reprint,
Oxford: 1969), p. 91,
Furthermore, it appears (according to Baxter, as quoted by Neal) that
if any candidates were unable to come to London, or were of doubtful
qualifications, the Commissioners at London used to refer them to some
ministers in the county where they lived; and upon their testimonial
they approved or rejected them. This arrangement was occasionally
followed in the Northern Province. Thus in December 1654 the
inhabitants of Ballintoy, Co. Antrim, petitioned that John Acton should
be their minister, and accordingly Timothy taylor was directed to
examine his abilites and his good affection towards the Commonwealth.
Presumably he sent in an unfavourable report, for there is no
subsequent appearance of Acton's name. Again, just a year later
William Waren was ordered to repair to Taylor to receive his trial of
fitness at his hands. Two years later Taylor, together with two
Presbyterian ministers, John Drisdaile and John Heart, were deputed to
examine the petition of the people of the Barony of Lecale, who desired
Robert Lesley as their minister.
pp. 138-39,
One of these laid rude hands on Dix, who was then in the pulpit, with
the object of pulling him down to make room for Livingstone. The
intruders declared that they had the authority of the Presbytery for
what they did, and this was admitted by Livingstone, who averred that
he would do the same again, if occasion arose. These statements,
however, were not borne out by the subsequent action of the Presbytery.
A meeting of that body was summoned, which administered a sharp rebuke
to him, while two ministers, Drisdaile and Hart, were deputed to lay a
full account of the matter before Henry Cromwell [lord lieutenant of
Ireland]. ...
....
Henry [Cromwell] also wrote angrily to the Presbytery, directing them
to send some of their ministers to appear before him and the Council,
and explain their attitude. Hart and Greg were chosen for this task,
and had a long interview with him, in which he upbraided them with
ingratitude on account of their receiving stipends from the State. To
this Greg replied that it was not worldly considerations, but a
question of conscience, that caused them to act as they did, at which
Henry's anger blazed up more fiercely. Finally he dismissed them.
According to Adair the matter did not end here; further attempts were
made to render them more compliant, and had not the situation been
changed by the death of Oliver Cromwell it is probable that matters
would have turned out very seriously for the Ulster Presbyterians.
pp. 156-57,
One clear instance of this is preserved in a letter from John Hart of
Taboyne to the Lord Deputy, written within a fortnight from the close
of the assembly. He states that in consequence of having reported many
ministers as scandalous in that part of the country where he
lived--nine names had been presented from Derry Precinct--he had
brought upon himself the hatred of many wicked men 'whose tongues will
be set on fire of hell to speak mischievous things, and things full of
falsehood against me, which may readily be credited by some about your
lordship'. Consequently he begs that if any charges are brought
against him he may be permitted to answer them in person. Bearing in
mind too what had been said by the ministers at their meeting about the
'envious ones' who had crept in, he adds some facts for the information
of Henry Cromwell which are extremely interesting as showing the
existence of a High Church party in Co. Donegal at that date. He says
that the Presbyterians in the parish of Raphoe were subjected to great
annoyance from 'a prelatical party in that parish who endeavour to
hinder them in the exercise of their discipline; as when they by
deacons collect the money for the poor at the church door they come and
interrupt them by their church-wardens, yea and have proceeded thus far
upon the Sabbath day to beat the Elders of the Church, and in other
places the Scribes of the particular Elderships are bound over to the
Assizes for the lawful exercise of discipline'; and pretty broadly
hints that Dr. John Lesley, Bishop of Raphoe, was prime instigator of
these unlawful proceedings.
pp. 199-200,
That some of the Ulster ministers had adopted a very arrogant attitude
at this time towards the members of the Irish Church is shown by a
petition presented by Archibald Glasgow. It appears the Dr. Thomas
Bruce, rector of Taboyne, had appointed him to officiate as his curate,
hoping (though seventy-four years of age) to come and join him in time.
During his stay there Glasgow had become acquainted with John Hart,
the Presbyterian minister who officiated at Taboyne, but soon found
that the latter, 'because the later usurped Power had given to him the
charge of all the churches of the north-west of Ireland, being hither
recommended by Mr. Gillespie the great Remonstrator in the west of
Scotland, takes it in derision that any should offer to dispossess him
that thought and thinks himself immovable, saying flatly that he will
not suffer any man to officiate in the aforesaid parish so long as he
can hinder them, exhorting the people in public to stick by him and he
will stick by them, exclaiming against Dr. Bruce, telling them that
they must now be served by curates, which is nothing else but a buying
and selling of God's people, with divers other gross expressions.'
Glasgow remonstrated with him in private, but 'notwithstanding all
peaceable endevours Hart is strengthening himself by frequent preaching
daily from corner to corner, not only of his own parish, but through
the country, denying any tithe or maintenance to be paid to Dr. Bruce'.
Accordingly it was ordered on the 12th of February 1661 that if the
Bishop of Raphoe found Glasgow a fit and proper person to serve the
cure he was to admit him thereto, while Hart was enjoined to permit him
to officiate. The foregoing may have been true, but Glasgow was
certainly not an unprejudiced witness.
St. John D. Seymour, _The Puritans in Ireland, 1647-1661_, (reprint,
Oxford: 1969), p. 91,
Furthermore, it appears (according to Baxter, as quoted by Neal) that
if any candidates were unable to come to London, or were of doubtful
qualifications, the Commissioners at London used to refer them to some
ministers in the county where they lived; and upon their testimonial
they approved or rejected them. This arrangement was occasionally
followed in the Northern Province. Thus in December 1654 the
inhabitants of Ballintoy, Co. Antrim, petitioned that John Acton should
be their minister, and accordingly Timothy taylor was directed to
examine his abilites and his good affection towards the Commonwealth.
Presumably he sent in an unfavourable report, for there is no
subsequent appearance of Acton's name. Again, just a year later
William Waren was ordered to repair to Taylor to receive his trial of
fitness at his hands. Two years later Taylor, together with two
Presbyterian ministers, John Drisdaile and John Heart, were deputed to
examine the petition of the people of the Barony of Lecale, who desired
Robert Lesley as their minister.
pp. 138-39,
One of these laid rude hands on Dix, who was then in the pulpit, with
the object of pulling him down to make room for Livingstone. The
intruders declared that they had the authority of the Presbytery for
what they did, and this was admitted by Livingstone, who averred that
he would do the same again, if occasion arose. These statements,
however, were not borne out by the subsequent action of the Presbytery.
A meeting of that body was summoned, which administered a sharp rebuke
to him, while two ministers, Drisdaile and Hart, were deputed to lay a
full account of the matter before Henry Cromwell [lord lieutenant of
Ireland]. ...
....
Henry [Cromwell] also wrote angrily to the Presbytery, directing them
to send some of their ministers to appear before him and the Council,
and explain their attitude. Hart and Greg were chosen for this task,
and had a long interview with him, in which he upbraided them with
ingratitude on account of their receiving stipends from the State. To
this Greg replied that it was not worldly considerations, but a
question of conscience, that caused them to act as they did, at which
Henry's anger blazed up more fiercely. Finally he dismissed them.
According to Adair the matter did not end here; further attempts were
made to render them more compliant, and had not the situation been
changed by the death of Oliver Cromwell it is probable that matters
would have turned out very seriously for the Ulster Presbyterians.
pp. 156-57,
One clear instance of this is preserved in a letter from John Hart of
Taboyne to the Lord Deputy, written within a fortnight from the close
of the assembly. He states that in consequence of having reported many
ministers as scandalous in that part of the country where he
lived--nine names had been presented from Derry Precinct--he had
brought upon himself the hatred of many wicked men 'whose tongues will
be set on fire of hell to speak mischievous things, and things full of
falsehood against me, which may readily be credited by some about your
lordship'. Consequently he begs that if any charges are brought
against him he may be permitted to answer them in person. Bearing in
mind too what had been said by the ministers at their meeting about the
'envious ones' who had crept in, he adds some facts for the information
of Henry Cromwell which are extremely interesting as showing the
existence of a High Church party in Co. Donegal at that date. He says
that the Presbyterians in the parish of Raphoe were subjected to great
annoyance from 'a prelatical party in that parish who endeavour to
hinder them in the exercise of their discipline; as when they by
deacons collect the money for the poor at the church door they come and
interrupt them by their church-wardens, yea and have proceeded thus far
upon the Sabbath day to beat the Elders of the Church, and in other
places the Scribes of the particular Elderships are bound over to the
Assizes for the lawful exercise of discipline'; and pretty broadly
hints that Dr. John Lesley, Bishop of Raphoe, was prime instigator of
these unlawful proceedings.
pp. 199-200,
That some of the Ulster ministers had adopted a very arrogant attitude
at this time towards the members of the Irish Church is shown by a
petition presented by Archibald Glasgow. It appears the Dr. Thomas
Bruce, rector of Taboyne, had appointed him to officiate as his curate,
hoping (though seventy-four years of age) to come and join him in time.
During his stay there Glasgow had become acquainted with John Hart,
the Presbyterian minister who officiated at Taboyne, but soon found
that the latter, 'because the later usurped Power had given to him the
charge of all the churches of the north-west of Ireland, being hither
recommended by Mr. Gillespie the great Remonstrator in the west of
Scotland, takes it in derision that any should offer to dispossess him
that thought and thinks himself immovable, saying flatly that he will
not suffer any man to officiate in the aforesaid parish so long as he
can hinder them, exhorting the people in public to stick by him and he
will stick by them, exclaiming against Dr. Bruce, telling them that
they must now be served by curates, which is nothing else but a buying
and selling of God's people, with divers other gross expressions.'
Glasgow remonstrated with him in private, but 'notwithstanding all
peaceable endevours Hart is strengthening himself by frequent preaching
daily from corner to corner, not only of his own parish, but through
the country, denying any tithe or maintenance to be paid to Dr. Bruce'.
Accordingly it was ordered on the 12th of February 1661 that if the
Bishop of Raphoe found Glasgow a fit and proper person to serve the
cure he was to admit him thereto, while Hart was enjoined to permit him
to officiate. The foregoing may have been true, but Glasgow was
certainly not an unprejudiced witness.
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John Brandon
Re: Who was the wife of Rev. John Hart of Taughboyne?
Oops, should read: "soon found that the latter, 'because the late
usurped Power had given to him the charge of all the churches of the
north-west of Ireland, being hither recommended by Mr. Gillespie the
great Remonstrator in the west of
Scotland ...'"
usurped Power had given to him the charge of all the churches of the
north-west of Ireland, being hither recommended by Mr. Gillespie the
great Remonstrator in the west of
Scotland ...'"