Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

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Shannon Jacobs

Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Shannon Jacobs » 15 mai 2005 07:38:32

My apologies for this desperate shotgun approach, but... The crosspost is to
some of the newgroups where this book has been mentioned, so some people do
have copies.

I recently bought a used copy of _English_Social_History_ by G.M. Trevelyan,
only to discover that the first few pages are missing. This is a paperback
one-volume pelican edition. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me
out? Perhaps with scanned images of the first few pages? My copy begins on
page 11 with "chronicle of wasted time' for the sake of 'ladies dead and
lovely knights'. (I've looked in the "usual places" like Amazon and the
Google library, but without success, and the local public libraries have
very few non-Japanese books.)

I'm posting this from shanen@cashette.com, which is supposed to be a safe
new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit complicated to use... I
think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser link, and then I can
either give you a whitelist entry or a different email address. In theory, I
can use this email address in public places without fear of spam
harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.

Dennis Ahern

chronicle of wasted time

Legg inn av Dennis Ahern » 15 mai 2005 14:51:03

In soc.genealogy.ireland Shannon Jacobs <shanen@cashette.com> wrote:

<deleted>

: new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit complicated to use... I
: think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser link, and then I can
: either give you a whitelist entry or a different email address. In theory, I
: can use this email address in public places without fear of spam
: harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. When I am confronted with
one of these "click here to be approved" email messages, I have to ask
myself if I really, really care about communicating with this person.
For all I know, clicking on a link in an email message is, in effect,
harvesting my address for some purpose beyond what the sender envisions.
In most cases, I simply decline to proceed further.

-dja

Jeff

Re: Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Jeff » 15 mai 2005 15:03:07

"Shannon Jacobs" <shanen@cashette.com> wrote in message

I'm posting this from shanen@cashette.com, which is
supposed to be a safe
new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit
complicated to use... I
think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser
link, and then I can
either give you a whitelist entry or a different email
address. In theory, I
can use this email address in public places without fear
of spam
harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.


In practice you'll find you get no responses.

Cashette is free. Why ? Where is their revenue source ?

Harvesting Email addresses ?

I honestly don't know but not a risk I'd take.

Jeff

Re: Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Jeff » 15 mai 2005 15:08:40

"Shannon Jacobs" <shanen@cashette.com> wrote in message

I'm posting this from shanen@cashette.com, which is
supposed to be a safe
new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit
complicated to use... I
think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser
link, and then I can
either give you a whitelist entry or a different email
address. In theory, I
can use this email address in public places without fear
of spam
harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.


I appreciate you posted via NGs not gatewayed mailing lists
but the following message from a Mailing List does indicate
a huge problem cashette can cause.

"Listers,

Just a quick note to say that I've caught the great
Cashette.Com debacle of
2004 and have tried to clean out all of the pending List
email queues of
all the "you are not yet on my Approved List" messages.
There were about
117 of them queued when I noticed what was going on.

In a nutshell, this guy signed up for all of the Lists and
had a "register
with my site" spam filter enabled on his account. When his
account started
receiving List messages, it started sending back, "you need
to register"
messages back to the various Lists which in turn went to the
Lists which in
turn got sent to the same spam filter which in turn sent
back a message
indicating that the List needed to register, and so on and
so on until, I
suppose, the Internet just blew up! Sheeze, some of these
spam systems are
so brain dead!

Anyway, I've cleaned out all of the messages generated by
this thing and
put in a permanent block from this cashette.com website so
that this
shouldn't be a problem any longer."

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

Re: Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Mirjam Bruck-Cohen » 15 mai 2005 17:31:51

Shanon i think i have this in paper back edition , in a boxin 4
volumes ?
is this what you for ?
mirjam
On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:38:32 +0900, "Shannon Jacobs"
<shanen@cashette.com> wrote:

My apologies for this desperate shotgun approach, but... The crosspost is to
some of the newgroups where this book has been mentioned, so some people do
have copies.

I recently bought a used copy of _English_Social_History_ by G.M. Trevelyan,
only to discover that the first few pages are missing. This is a paperback
one-volume pelican edition. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me
out? Perhaps with scanned images of the first few pages? My copy begins on
page 11 with "chronicle of wasted time' for the sake of 'ladies dead and
lovely knights'. (I've looked in the "usual places" like Amazon and the
Google library, but without success, and the local public libraries have
very few non-Japanese books.)

I'm posting this from shanen@cashette.com, which is supposed to be a safe
new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit complicated to use... I
think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser link, and then I can
either give you a whitelist entry or a different email address. In theory, I
can use this email address in public places without fear of spam
harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.

John P. Mullen

Re: chronicle of wasted time

Legg inn av John P. Mullen » 15 mai 2005 19:36:00

Dennis Ahern wrote:

In soc.genealogy.ireland Shannon Jacobs <shanen@cashette.com> wrote:

deleted

: new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit complicated to use... I
: think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser link, and then I can
: either give you a whitelist entry or a different email address. In theory, I
: can use this email address in public places without fear of spam
: harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. When I am confronted with
one of these "click here to be approved" email messages, I have to ask
myself if I really, really care about communicating with this person.
For all I know, clicking on a link in an email message is, in effect,
harvesting my address for some purpose beyond what the sender envisions.
In most cases, I simply decline to proceed further.

-dja


I agree. Never reply.

On thing I like about Mozilla is that I can simply click on the spam
icon and it takes care of the rest for me.

John Mullen

Shannon Jacobs

Re: Missing pages from Trevelyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Shannon Jacobs » 16 mai 2005 15:32:56

Jeff wrote:
<snip>
In practice you'll find you get no responses.

Cashette is free. Why ? Where is their revenue source ?

Harvesting Email addresses ?

I honestly don't know but not a risk I'd take.

First: I have attempted to avoid thread spread by setting the follow-ups to
the newsgroup that was most relevant to the original query, though your
response is mostly off-topic from all of them. (I apologized elsewhere for
forgetting to do so in the first place, and now I don't know where you are
coming from. Please be aware that your reply (if any) might be redirected.)

Second: There were two potentially helpful responses in the newsgroups, and
I am dealing with them directly. There was also (so far) one authentic reply
to the email address that has apparently caused all the ruckus. That
particular reply was not especially helpful, since it only suggested I buy
yet another copy of the book. I should have been clear that I only want the
missing pages for the sake of completeness. (There were also four obvious
spam responses (apparently from harvesters) routed to the "Blocked" folder,
which is apparently in accord with the design of that system.)

Third: This part (and the following parts) of my reply is (and are) truly
off-topic, but spam is a problem for *ALL* of the contemporary newsgroups.
With regards to the cashette-anti-spam model, they claim the revenue will
come from a kind of opt-in advertising. I think this is a potentially
interesting and potentially viable economic model, since I regard spam as a
fundamentally economic problem, not a technical problem. Spammers think they
are dividing by zero, so any real cost associated with email will destroy
their non-economic model. (However, I would actually prefer an "auction
style" economic model, where the legitimate advertisers would actually bid
for my attention.)

Fourth: The vigor of the early responses actually makes me wonder if they
came from sock puppets of the spammers themselves. They are actually the
ones who would be most concerned with attacking the credibility of any
effective anti-spam systems. Perhaps they use Google for that purpose?

Fifth: I am not yet making any recommendation for or against the use of
cashette. However, I would love to see an anti-spam system that really
works, and I am studying theirs. It would be nice to have an email address
that I could use in public places such as the newsgroups without fear of
being spammed.

Renia

Re: Missing pages from Trevalyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Renia » 19 mai 2005 07:20:08

Shannon Jacobs wrote:

My apologies for this desperate shotgun approach, but... The crosspost is to
some of the newgroups where this book has been mentioned, so some people do
have copies.

I recently bought a used copy of _English_Social_History_ by G.M. Trevelyan,
only to discover that the first few pages are missing. This is a paperback
one-volume pelican edition. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me
out? Perhaps with scanned images of the first few pages? My copy begins on
page 11 with "chronicle of wasted time' for the sake of 'ladies dead and
lovely knights'. (I've looked in the "usual places" like Amazon and the
Google library, but without success, and the local public libraries have
very few non-Japanese books.)

I have a one-edition hardback copy of this book, but I see nothing in
the early pages related to "chronicle of wasted time". What is the title
and page number of the first complete chapter you have?


I'm posting this from shanen@cashette.com, which is supposed to be a safe
new anti-spam email system. It's free, but a bit complicated to use... I
think you'll have to bounce an email reply to a browser link, and then I can
either give you a whitelist entry or a different email address. In theory, I
can use this email address in public places without fear of spam
harvesting... In practice? Well, we'll soon see.

Netscape is far easier.

Spiel from cashette.com (which is not new):

Too much spam?

Name Your Price for Spam

You are paid for each "spam" you receive.
If they don't pay, you won't receive spam!



You can use Cashette to:

#
Stop spam 100% for your email accounts.

#
Make money if you do receive ad mail.

#
Access multiple email accounts at one place.


It's almost a spam site in itself. It just seems to work in reverse.

Renia

Shannon Jacobs

Re: Missing pages from Trevelyan's English Social History

Legg inn av Shannon Jacobs » 21 mai 2005 02:05:24

Note: I don't know which newsgroup you saw this on, but I've set follow-ups
to soc.genealogy.britain to try to limit thread spread.

Renia wrote:
<snip>
I have a one-edition hardback copy of this book, but I see nothing in
the early pages related to "chronicle of wasted time". What is the
title and page number of the first complete chapter you have?

Mine is a paperback Pelican edition with 650 pages. I was actually
discussing it with someone else who also had a different edition, but the
Table of Contents was too different to be of much help. I've started
discussing it in email with someone else, but for now, I thank you for your
offer, and I may be back to you if that one also turns out to be a mismatch.

<snip>
It's almost a spam site in itself. It just seems to work in reverse.

Well, we're on a tangential issue at this point, and I'm not really
interested in "defending" an email system. What I am interested in is the
possibility of having an email address that will not get spammed, and I
think all technical solutions to the economic problem of spam are doomed to
fail. Wrong tools for the job. Right now I'm basically forced to play the
"advertising game" on their terms, and I kind of like the idea of playing
the game more on my own terms. However, I've already noted that I don't
think this system is perfect, because I really want to be in a "seller's
market", where I could sell a strictly limited amount of my attention to the
highest bidders.

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