Maternal Ancestry of Isabel/Elizabeth Burley who m. John Hop

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Maternal Ancestry of Isabel/Elizabeth Burley who m. John Hop

Legg inn av roger_tansey@ksg04.harvar » 13 mai 2005 20:32:16

Dear Newsgroup:

I understand that Isabel/Elizabeth Burley, who m. Sir John Hopton of
Prilleston, Norfolk, (d. aft 1377) was the daugher of Sir John Burley
(and not William as often reported). (See prior posts, copied below.)

But was her mother Alice de Grey, daughter of Richard de Grey, the 6th
Lord Wilton?

Thanks in advance,

Roger





Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 4 Jun 2002 09:33:12 -0700
Subject: Descent of Sir Thomas Hopton from Ela de Herdeburgh

Dear Newsgroup ~

<snip>

By 1377, the Hopton properties including Prilleston were in the hands
of a Sir John Hopton, presumably Walter's nephew, who married Isabel
Burley, daughter of Sir John Burley, K.G., of Birley, co. Hereford
(see, for example, Desc. Catalogue of Ancient Deeds 3 (1900): 195).
This last named couple are known to have been the great-grandparents
of Sir Thomas Hopton, living 1445 (see G. Beltz Memorials of the Most
Noble Order of the Garter (1861), pp. 257-260). Sir Thomas Hopton,
living 1445, in turn is ancestral to two colonists, Richard More of
the Mayflower and Robert Abell.

<snip>

Best always, Douglas Richardson,
Salt Lake City, Utah




Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: "Todd A. Farmerie"
Date: 1997/04/04
Subject: Re: Margaret (-)(CORBET)MALLORY

Vickie (Elam) White wrote:
I'd like to open discussion of the theory that Margaret (--) (CORBET)

MALLORY, widow of Robert CORBET (1383-1420) and wife of William
MALLORY ( -1445) may have been the daughter of John BURLEY and sister

of William BURLEY.
[snip]
I can't really fit this into a proper time frame but this is what the

1623 Visitation says for Hopton of Stanton:

[Having looked at my copy last night, there is a slight correction to
be
made here]
Sir John Burley, Kt of the Garter
l
Sir Roger Burley m. Lucy Gilford
l
Sir John Burley m. Alice Pembrigge
l
Wiliam Burley m. Alice Gray, dau of Lord Gray of Wilton

[The visitation names him John, not William Burley (and of course the
daughter is Eliz. Burley).
l
Elizabeth Gray m. Sir John Hopton
l
Sir Walter Hopton m. Joane Yonge of Sibton
l
Thomas Hopton m. Jane Mortimer
l
Thomas Hopton m. Eleanor Lucy
l
Elizabeth Hopton m. Roger Corbet(1415-1467), son of Robert
I'd appreciate any feedback on this, any corrections and additons,
especially with some good source citations. <G> It would be great if
we could finally identify Margaret.

Unless I have all of my Burleys confused, I see a problem here. Based
on the Burley post the other day, Elizabeth above was sister of William

Burley, and hence of your proposed Margaret. Thus you would have a
grandson (Roger Corbet) of John Burlegh and Alice Grey marrying a
great-great-great-granddaughte­r (Elizabeth Hopton).
taf

Patti Metsch

Re: Maternal Ancestry of Isabel/Elizabeth Burley who m. John

Legg inn av Patti Metsch » 13 mai 2005 23:00:01

Roger Tansey <roger_tansey@ksg04.harvard.edu> wrote:

I understand that Isabel/Elizabeth Burley, who m. Sir John Hopton of
Prilleston, Norfolk, (d. aft 1377) was the daugher of Sir John Burley
(and not William as often reported). (See prior posts, copied below.)

But was her mother Alice de Grey, daughter of Richard de Grey, the 6th
Lord Wilton?
snip

Dear Roger:

The John Burley in question, father of Isabel/Elizabeth who married Hopton,
is the one who was the Knight of the Garter and he is said to have married
Alice or Amicia Pembridge/Pembrugge, daughter of Sir Richard
Pemridge/Pembrugge who was also a K.G.

Kay Allen is soon to publish an article concerning the two different Burley
families which have been "mixed-and-matched" (so to speak) in most of the
Visitations and other works. I am sure it will be very elucidating - stay
tuned.

Patti Metsch

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