From Plantagenet England to 17th Century Connecticut?

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From Plantagenet England to 17th Century Connecticut?

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 mai 2005 15:34:42

Have been looking at ancestries on rootsweb.com for new information
about my own ancestry.

Following Gary Boyd Roberts' advice about only using familysearch.org
for clues, I treat rootsweb.com in much the same way.

The bad news is that the ancestry's major problem remains: the identity
of the parents of David Scofield of Stamford (now Darien)
Connecticut/Broome County New York/Dakota County Minnesota. (And no,
he is NOT the son of David/David Isaac Scofield and "his" wife, Hannah
Lockwood: that was apparently a "scissors and paste" job by one of my
grandmother's second cousins.)

Besides that, two pieces of information remain resistant to
confirmation:

(1) The mother of Zerubbabel, son of Walter Hoyt. For years, she has
been given as "Rhoda ----." Now, there are genealogies that give her
as Elizabeth (or Susanna) St. John, daughter of Oliver (or perhaps
Matthias) St. John. In Oliver's case, the wife/mother is given as
Sarah Bulkeley.

The entry for Simon Hoyt in "The Great Migration Begins" does indicate
Rhoda was Walter's second wife. The first marriage is supposed to have
taken place by 1642. But the wife is unnamed. And...

(2) Elizabeth, wife of the immigrant, Matthew Marvin. For years, the
surname was unknown. Now, I see genealogies identifying Elizabeth as
the daughter of Henry Gregory.

A trip to the Henry Gregory genealogy does confirm the existence of a
daughter Elizabeth, but says nothing about Matthew Marvin as her
husband. Examine individual entries of Henry's offspring, and you do
find Matthew Marvin involved in the family's life.

There is another child, "Elizaphatt," younger sibling to Elizabeth.
Elizaphatt is identified as male, and no marriage is given. Some
rootsweb.com genealogies identify Matthew's wife as
"Elizabeth/Elizaphatt."

William Addams Reitwiesner's on-line genealogy of George Walker Bush
for the 2000 election identifies her as Elizabeth Gregory, but names no
parents. The on-line genealogy for the 2004 election identifies her as
the daughter of Henry Gregory, but then does not go any further in the
line than Henry himself. Has Henry Gregory's extensive, non-royal,
English ancestry been somehow disproven? Or did Bill simply omit it?
Or, was there a second Henry Gregory operating in the same area of
Connecticut at the same time?

And "The Great Migration Begins" contains no entry for either Matthew
or his brother Reinhold.

Who is there who can make muddy water clear?

Daniel MacGregor

Douglas Richardson royala

Re: From Plantagenet England to 17th Century Connecticut?

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson royala » 11 mai 2005 16:16:03

Dear Daniel ~

You can find the history and parentage of Rhoda, wife of Walter Hoyt,
discussed in my lengthy article, "The English Ancestry of the Merwin
and Tinker families of New England," which appeared in New England
Hist. Gen. Register, 149 (1995): 295-311, 401-432.

I descend from Rhoda myself through her marriage to John Taylor.

Good luck in your sleuthing!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


dmaqgre...@hotmail.com wrote:
Have been looking at ancestries on rootsweb.com for new information
about my own ancestry.

Following Gary Boyd Roberts' advice about only using familysearch.org
for clues, I treat rootsweb.com in much the same way.

The bad news is that the ancestry's major problem remains: the
identity
of the parents of David Scofield of Stamford (now Darien)
Connecticut/Broome County New York/Dakota County Minnesota. (And no,
he is NOT the son of David/David Isaac Scofield and "his" wife,
Hannah
Lockwood: that was apparently a "scissors and paste" job by one of my
grandmother's second cousins.)

Besides that, two pieces of information remain resistant to
confirmation:

(1) The mother of Zerubbabel, son of Walter Hoyt. For years, she has
been given as "Rhoda ----." Now, there are genealogies that give her
as Elizabeth (or Susanna) St. John, daughter of Oliver (or perhaps
Matthias) St. John. In Oliver's case, the wife/mother is given as
Sarah Bulkeley.

The entry for Simon Hoyt in "The Great Migration Begins" does
indicate
Rhoda was Walter's second wife. The first marriage is supposed to
have
taken place by 1642. But the wife is unnamed. And...

(2) Elizabeth, wife of the immigrant, Matthew Marvin. For years, the
surname was unknown. Now, I see genealogies identifying Elizabeth as
the daughter of Henry Gregory.

A trip to the Henry Gregory genealogy does confirm the existence of a
daughter Elizabeth, but says nothing about Matthew Marvin as her
husband. Examine individual entries of Henry's offspring, and you do
find Matthew Marvin involved in the family's life.

There is another child, "Elizaphatt," younger sibling to Elizabeth.
Elizaphatt is identified as male, and no marriage is given. Some
rootsweb.com genealogies identify Matthew's wife as
"Elizabeth/Elizaphatt."

William Addams Reitwiesner's on-line genealogy of George Walker Bush
for the 2000 election identifies her as Elizabeth Gregory, but names
no
parents. The on-line genealogy for the 2004 election identifies her
as
the daughter of Henry Gregory, but then does not go any further in
the
line than Henry himself. Has Henry Gregory's extensive, non-royal,
English ancestry been somehow disproven? Or did Bill simply omit it?
Or, was there a second Henry Gregory operating in the same area of
Connecticut at the same time?

And "The Great Migration Begins" contains no entry for either Matthew
or his brother Reinhold.

Who is there who can make muddy water clear?

Daniel MacGregor

Gjest

Re: From Plantagenet England to 17th Century Connecticut?

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 mai 2005 18:00:04

In a message dated 5/11/05 9:38:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
dmaqgregor@hotmail.com writes:

(1) The mother of Zerubbabel, son of Walter Hoyt. For years, she has
been given as "Rhoda ----." Now, there are genealogies that give her
as Elizabeth (or Susanna) St. John, daughter of Oliver (or perhaps
Matthias) St. John. In Oliver's case, the wife/mother is given as
Sarah Bulkeley.



Ancestors of Rhoda Tinker


Generation No. 1

1. Rhoda Tinker, born Bef. 16 June 1611 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; died
Bef. 1696. She was the daughter of 2. Robert Tinker and 3. Mary Merwin. She
married (1) Thomas Hobbs 01 November 1631 in New Haven, CT. She married (2)
John Taylor. He died Abt. 1651. She married (3) Walter Hoyt Abt. 1652. He
was born Bef. 09 June 1616 in Upwey, DOR, ENG, and died Abt. 10 January 1698/99
in Norwalk, CT. He was the son of Simon Hoyt and Deborah Stowers.

Generation No. 2

2. Robert Tinker, born Abt. 1565. He married 3. Mary Merwin 26 January
1600/01 in Amersham, BKM, ENG.
3. Mary Merwin, born Abt. 1575 in Amersham, BKM, ENG. She was the daughter
of 6. Thomas Merwin and 7. Unknown.

Children of Robert Tinker and Mary Merwin are:
i. Sarah Tinker, born Bef. 22 November 1601 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG.
ii. Helen Tinker, born Abt. 1604 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; married William
Hubbard 13 August 1628 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG.
iii. Mary Tinker, born Bef. 06 August 1606 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; married
Matthew/Matthias Sension 01 November 1627 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; died
Abt. January 1669/70 in Norwalk, CT.
iv. Robert Tinker, born Bef. 20 February 1608/09 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG.
1 v. Rhoda Tinker, born Bef. 16 June 1611 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; died
Bef. 1696; married (1) Thomas Hobbs 01 November 1631 in New Haven, CT; married
(2) John Taylor; married (3) Walter Hoyt Abt. 1652.
vi. John Tinker, born Bef. 18 July 1613 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; died
October 1662 in Hartford, CT; married (1) Sarah Wilshire Bet. 06 June - 22 July
1648 in Boston, MA; born Bef. 17 August 1620 in St. Stephen, Coleman Street,
London, ENG; died Abt. July 1648 in Boston, MA; married (2) Alice Smith 09
December 1649; born 29 December 1629 in ENG; died 29 November 1714 in Lyme, CT.
vii. Anne Tinker, born Bef. 21 July 1616 in New Windsor, BRK, ENG; married
Thomas Thornton, Rev. 23 April 1633 in St. Margaret Moses, London, ENG; born
Abt. 1607 in of Staines, MDX, ENG; died 15 February 1699/00 in Boston, MA.
viii. Sarah Tinker, born Bef. 26 July 1619; died 06 June 1652; married
Thomas King Abt. 1638; born in of Scituate, MA; died 24 September 1691 in
Scituate, MA.


Generation No. 3

6. Thomas Merwin, born Abt. 1525. He was the son of 12. John Merwin and
13. Isabel Bartlett. He married 7. Unknown.
7. Unknown

Children of Thomas Merwin and Unknown are:
i. Nicholas Merwin, born Abt. 1555; married Unknown.
ii. Walter Merwin?, married Joan.
iii. Mary Merwin?
iv. Anthony Merwin, born Bef. 28 May 1562 in Amersham, BKM, ENG; died Bet.
07 March 1633/34 - 04 April 1634 in Clewer, BRK, ENG.
v. Margaret Merwin, born Bef. 23 June 1566 in Amersham, BKM, ENG.
vi. Daughter Merwin, married Unknown Smith.
3 vii. Mary Merwin, born Abt. 1575 in Amersham, BKM, ENG; married Robert
Tinker 26 January 1600/01 in Amersham, BKM, ENG.


Generation No. 4

12. John Merwin, born Abt. 1490; died 1552. He married 13. Isabel
Bartlett Abt. 1514.
13. Isabel Bartlett She was the daughter of 27. Katherine.

Children of John Merwin and Isabel Bartlett are:
i. Andrew Merwin, born Abt. 1515.
ii. William Merwin, born Abt. 1520; died Aft. 1556; married Joan.
6 iii. Thomas Merwin, born Abt. 1525; married Unknown.


Generation No. 5

27. Katherine

Child of Katherine is:
13 i. Isabel Bartlett, married John Merwin Abt. 1514.


Always optimistic--Dave

Gjest

Re: From Plantagenet England to 17th Century Connecticut?

Legg inn av Gjest » 12 mai 2005 09:58:05

An intermarriage between the Gregory & Marvin families
in England is very unlikely, for the following reasons:

Henry Gregory was from Nottingham;
the Marvins were from Essex.
The two counties are not close to each other.

Henry is supposed to have been born in 1586.
Elizabeth Marvin was born in 1604.
The difference of 18 years between them also makes this unlikely.

One would expect the marriage of Matthew & Elizabeth Marvin to be in
Boyd's Marriage Index, which covers 95% of the marriages in Essex &
Suffolk.
Since no one has yet reported it,
the marriage record probably has not survived.

Leslie

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