THE Pashley Family
According to Nigel Saul in his book “Scenes from
Provincial Life, Knightly families of Sussex” Pashley
manor lies a miles or two south-west of Ticehurst.
The present(1989) very attractive house dates from the
16 & 18th centuries but in the rear are earthworks
which may be those of an earlier moated house on the
site.
Nigel Saul gives several pages of information on this
family and it is certainly filled with murder,
intrigue and trouble.
Sir Edmund de Pashley, son of Robert who died 1327,
married first to Maude de Kechenoure and had 3
children, William, John, Edmund. The then married
second Joan and then he lived for most of the rest
of his life with Margaret wife of William de Basing
having 4 children, Sir Edmund, Robert, Sir Thomas and
Margaret. Evidently according to the records Margaret
had the 2 children of the previous marriage murdered
so that her children would inherit.. There were long
court battles between Joan and Margaret and also by
John the survivor of the first marriage. Margaret de
Bessing had 4 children with Wm de Bessing and the de
Bessing family evidently kept the sheriff away as they
set upon them as a gang and the sheriff had to flee
in fear. They were trying to arrest her for trial for
murder. She was living a Pashley Manor.
Saul calls this family an erotic mix of bigamy,
thuggery and murder and bitter family quarrels.
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Echyngham/Pashley family
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Jeffery A. Duvall
re. The Pashely Case
Perhaps there was something in the genes. Margaret de Basing's
granddaughter, Alice (de Basings) Mackworth, widow of Thomas Mackworth, was
implicated in another murder in 1445. As with the Pashley Case, this second
murder was also motivated by the desire to secure an inheritance -- Alice
and her son Henry Mackworth arranged the murder of her nephew, the
illegitimate son of Sir John de Basings (d. 1444/5) of Empingham, which is
how Empingham passed into the hands of the Mackworth family. The
Basings/Mackworth murder is covered in S.J. Payling's "Murder, Motive and
Punishment in Fifteenth-Century England: Two Gentry Case-Studies," The
English Historical Review, vol.113, no. 450 (Feb. 1998), 1-17. I believe
both murders are also mentioned in Blore's coverage of the de Normanville
and Mackworth families (Margaret de Basings was a de Normanville and the
heiress of Empingham) in his history of Rutland. The Pashley murder case is
the subject of Nigel Saul's "Murder and Justice, Medieval Style: The
Pashley Case, 1327-8," *History Today* (August, 1994), 30-35. The Virginia
immigrant, Mrs. Frances Baldwin Towns(h)end Jones Williams is a descendant
of Alice (de Basings) Mackworth.
Jeff Duvall
----- Original Message -----
From: "charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Echyngham/Pashley family
granddaughter, Alice (de Basings) Mackworth, widow of Thomas Mackworth, was
implicated in another murder in 1445. As with the Pashley Case, this second
murder was also motivated by the desire to secure an inheritance -- Alice
and her son Henry Mackworth arranged the murder of her nephew, the
illegitimate son of Sir John de Basings (d. 1444/5) of Empingham, which is
how Empingham passed into the hands of the Mackworth family. The
Basings/Mackworth murder is covered in S.J. Payling's "Murder, Motive and
Punishment in Fifteenth-Century England: Two Gentry Case-Studies," The
English Historical Review, vol.113, no. 450 (Feb. 1998), 1-17. I believe
both murders are also mentioned in Blore's coverage of the de Normanville
and Mackworth families (Margaret de Basings was a de Normanville and the
heiress of Empingham) in his history of Rutland. The Pashley murder case is
the subject of Nigel Saul's "Murder and Justice, Medieval Style: The
Pashley Case, 1327-8," *History Today* (August, 1994), 30-35. The Virginia
immigrant, Mrs. Frances Baldwin Towns(h)end Jones Williams is a descendant
of Alice (de Basings) Mackworth.
Jeff Duvall
----- Original Message -----
From: "charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Echyngham/Pashley family
THE Pashley Family
According to Nigel Saul in his book "Scenes from
Provincial Life, Knightly families of Sussex" Pashley
manor lies a miles or two south-west of Ticehurst.
The present(1989) very attractive house dates from the
16 & 18th centuries but in the rear are earthworks
which may be those of an earlier moated house on the
site.
Nigel Saul gives several pages of information on this
family and it is certainly filled with murder,
intrigue and trouble.
Sir Edmund de Pashley, son of Robert who died 1327,
married first to Maude de Kechenoure and had 3
children, William, John, Edmund. The then married
second Joan and then he lived for most of the rest
of his life with Margaret wife of William de Basing
having 4 children, Sir Edmund, Robert, Sir Thomas and
Margaret. Evidently according to the records Margaret
had the 2 children of the previous marriage murdered
so that her children would inherit.. There were long
court battles between Joan and Margaret and also by
John the survivor of the first marriage. Margaret de
Bessing had 4 children with Wm de Bessing and the de
Bessing family evidently kept the sheriff away as they
set upon them as a gang and the sheriff had to flee
in fear. They were trying to arrest her for trial for
murder. She was living a Pashley Manor.
Saul calls this family an erotic mix of bigamy,
thuggery and murder and bitter family quarrels.
\
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Gordon Kirkemo
RE: re. The Pashley Case
Jeff and Charlotte,
Thanks to you both for your Pashley postings. Doug Smith posted in 2003
identifying Margaret as a de Normanville. I've not been able to connect
her with ancestors and I'm wondering if either of you have her Normanville
line?
Thanks,
Gordon Kirkemo
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffery A. Duvall [mailto:jeffery@iquest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:13 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: re. The Pashely Case
Perhaps there was something in the genes. Margaret de Basing's
granddaughter, Alice (de Basings) Mackworth, widow of Thomas Mackworth, was
implicated in another murder in 1445. As with the Pashley Case, this second
murder was also motivated by the desire to secure an inheritance -- Alice
and her son Henry Mackworth arranged the murder of her nephew, the
illegitimate son of Sir John de Basings (d. 1444/5) of Empingham, which is
how Empingham passed into the hands of the Mackworth family. The
Basings/Mackworth murder is covered in S.J. Payling's "Murder, Motive and
Punishment in Fifteenth-Century England: Two Gentry Case-Studies," The
English Historical Review, vol.113, no. 450 (Feb. 1998), 1-17. I believe
both murders are also mentioned in Blore's coverage of the de Normanville
and Mackworth families (Margaret de Basings was a de Normanville and the
heiress of Empingham) in his history of Rutland. The Pashley murder case is
the subject of Nigel Saul's "Murder and Justice, Medieval Style: The
Pashley Case, 1327-8," *History Today* (August, 1994), 30-35. The Virginia
immigrant, Mrs. Frances Baldwin Towns(h)end Jones Williams is a descendant
of Alice (de Basings) Mackworth.
Jeff Duvall
----- Original Message -----
From: "charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Echyngham/Pashley family
Thanks to you both for your Pashley postings. Doug Smith posted in 2003
identifying Margaret as a de Normanville. I've not been able to connect
her with ancestors and I'm wondering if either of you have her Normanville
line?
Thanks,
Gordon Kirkemo
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffery A. Duvall [mailto:jeffery@iquest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:13 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: re. The Pashely Case
Perhaps there was something in the genes. Margaret de Basing's
granddaughter, Alice (de Basings) Mackworth, widow of Thomas Mackworth, was
implicated in another murder in 1445. As with the Pashley Case, this second
murder was also motivated by the desire to secure an inheritance -- Alice
and her son Henry Mackworth arranged the murder of her nephew, the
illegitimate son of Sir John de Basings (d. 1444/5) of Empingham, which is
how Empingham passed into the hands of the Mackworth family. The
Basings/Mackworth murder is covered in S.J. Payling's "Murder, Motive and
Punishment in Fifteenth-Century England: Two Gentry Case-Studies," The
English Historical Review, vol.113, no. 450 (Feb. 1998), 1-17. I believe
both murders are also mentioned in Blore's coverage of the de Normanville
and Mackworth families (Margaret de Basings was a de Normanville and the
heiress of Empingham) in his history of Rutland. The Pashley murder case is
the subject of Nigel Saul's "Murder and Justice, Medieval Style: The
Pashley Case, 1327-8," *History Today* (August, 1994), 30-35. The Virginia
immigrant, Mrs. Frances Baldwin Towns(h)end Jones Williams is a descendant
of Alice (de Basings) Mackworth.
Jeff Duvall
----- Original Message -----
From: "charlotte Smith" <charlotsmith@prodigy.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Echyngham/Pashley family
THE Pashley Family
According to Nigel Saul in his book "Scenes from
Provincial Life, Knightly families of Sussex" Pashley
manor lies a miles or two south-west of Ticehurst.
The present(1989) very attractive house dates from the
16 & 18th centuries but in the rear are earthworks
which may be those of an earlier moated house on the
site.
Nigel Saul gives several pages of information on this
family and it is certainly filled with murder,
intrigue and trouble.
Sir Edmund de Pashley, son of Robert who died 1327,
married first to Maude de Kechenoure and had 3
children, William, John, Edmund. The then married
second Joan and then he lived for most of the rest
of his life with Margaret wife of William de Basing
having 4 children, Sir Edmund, Robert, Sir Thomas and
Margaret. Evidently according to the records Margaret
had the 2 children of the previous marriage murdered
so that her children would inherit.. There were long
court battles between Joan and Margaret and also by
John the survivor of the first marriage. Margaret de
Bessing had 4 children with Wm de Bessing and the de
Bessing family evidently kept the sheriff away as they
set upon them as a gang and the sheriff had to flee
in fear. They were trying to arrest her for trial for
murder. She was living a Pashley Manor.
Saul calls this family an erotic mix of bigamy,
thuggery and murder and bitter family quarrels.
\
-
Gjest
RE: re. The Pashley Case
Gordon,
I believe that Blore identifies Margaret as the daughter of Thomas de
Normanville (d. 1282) and his wife Dionisia/Denise N. My notes, however, are
at home and I can't verify that until I have a chance to check them.
Jeff Duvall
Quoting Gordon Kirkemo <kirkemo@comcast.net>:
I believe that Blore identifies Margaret as the daughter of Thomas de
Normanville (d. 1282) and his wife Dionisia/Denise N. My notes, however, are
at home and I can't verify that until I have a chance to check them.
Jeff Duvall
Quoting Gordon Kirkemo <kirkemo@comcast.net>:
Jeff and Charlotte,
Thanks to you both for your Pashley postings. Doug Smith posted in 2003
identifying Margaret as a de Normanville. I've not been able to connect
her with ancestors and I'm wondering if either of you have her Normanville
line?
Thanks,
Gordon Kirkemo