Consanguinity

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Leo van de Pas

Consanguinity

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 08 mai 2005 13:49:14

It is fascinating to see the rules mankind applied to themselves and how some individuals bended the rules to suit themselves.

I understand that Olga of Kiev went to Byzantium only to have the Emperor asking her to marry him, which she did not want to do. She pretended to go along with it but she had to be baptised first and asked the Emperor to be her godfather. He did and as a result had placed himself into a forbidden relationship with her to be allowed to marry her.

Pedro I King of Portugal had his mistress Inez de Castro become godmother to one of his legitimate children and, according to Inez, this would make a marriage between her and the king impossible---but several years later they married secretly and then later on openly.

Many a time the popes allowed people to get married within the forbidden degrees. One I found in the family of Bronckhorst. I only spotted this when comparing the same family in two different volumes of ESNF.

Volume XVIII Tafel 41
Gisbert Lord of Bronckhorst and his wife Katharina van Leefdael had an unnamed daughter who married Hendrik II, Lord of Wisch. After her death Hendrik married her niece Katharina van Bronckhorst and he had children by both wives. The unnamed wife also had a brother (several in fact) Rogier who was lord of Hilvarenbeek and who became bishop elect of Utrecht but this did not stop him of having three children by a nun and one by another woman, all four legitimised in Nürnberg on 3 May 1401. But I can find only the names of these four children not whether they were married and had further descendants.
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Leo van de Pas

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Re: Consanguinity

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 mai 2005 06:29:15

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
It is fascinating to see the rules mankind applied to themselves and
how some individuals bended the rules to suit themselves.

I understand that Olga of Kiev went to Byzantium only to have the
Emperor asking her to marry him, which she did not want to do. She

pretended to go along with it but she had to be baptised first and
asked the Emperor to be her godfather. He did and as a result had
placed himself into a forbidden relationship with her to be allowed to
marry her.

I too have read this story, but cannor remember where. It was not a
Byzantine source from memory. I would be inclined to discount the story
altogether as Constantine was already married to Helean Lekapena at the
time.

Leo van de Pas

Re: Consanguinity

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 mai 2005 08:00:02

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"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
It is fascinating to see the rules mankind applied to themselves and
how some individuals bended the rules to suit themselves.

I understand that Olga of Kiev went to Byzantium only to have the
Emperor asking her to marry him, which she did not want to do. She
pretended to go along with it but she had to be baptised first and
asked the Emperor to be her godfather. He did and as a result had
placed himself into a forbidden relationship with her to be allowed to
marry her.

I too have read this story, but cannor remember where. It was not a
Byzantine source from memory. I would be inclined to discount the story
altogether as Constantine was already married to Helean Lekapena at the
time.

I found it in The Russian Chronicles. But I agree with you the Emperor had
been married since 919 and Helena lived on till 961, while the incident with
Olga was in or after 955. Unless he intended to divorce Helena.
Leo

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